On Thursday 21 October 2021 02:58:59 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 02:37:24AM -0700, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
By the way, just rethinking an earlier email exchange with Steve D'Arpano: That first testing email (sent to his private email address) was not sent from a template, but was created from scratch. I filled in all the fields by hand; the second testing email sent to him was also from scratch. Yet only the first contained reference headers to Gene's email, not the second.
I only received one test email from you to my email address, and it did not contain the mystery Gene reference header.
So while myself or my email client, which is Kmail. are common denominators, my email templates, at least in this instance, are not. I deleted them anyway, since they will stay in my trash for a while and I can always retrieve them or create new ones. But I don't think templates are the problem.
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please?
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields by hand.
Also there were two others that I sent you: one beginning "I fell asleep" and the other "And a little P.S.", where I prematurely declared that Gene's reference headers appeared in both those emails. (It did in the first, so naturally I assumed that it would be repeated in the second.)
That small detail doesn't support blaming my templates, and it makes no sense that two emails, created in the same way, contain those big differences.
Bill
On Thursday 21 October 2021 12.22:14 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields by hand.
Well, I can't find Gene's reference in this mail. If this is true for all your mails *and* you did delete your templates, I think Sherlock Holmes would say this does incriminate your templates.
Thierry
On Thursday 21 October 2021 03:53:43 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Thursday 21 October 2021 12.22:14 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields by hand.
Well, I can't find Gene's reference in this mail. If this is true for all your mails *and* you did delete your templates, I think Sherlock Holmes would say this does incriminate your templates.
Thierry
Except, as I said, there was just such an email, created new, without templates, and it did contain Gene's reference. That one exception provides my templates with an alibi, Watson.
dated 2021-10-20 3:04 am (my time Pacific US) same subject line beginning, "I fell asleep".
That was created just like the other test emails, not from a template.
Bill
Bill
On 21/10/2021 11:22, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 21 October 2021 02:58:59 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 02:37:24AM -0700, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
By the way, just rethinking an earlier email exchange with Steve D'Arpano: That first testing email (sent to his private email address) was not sent from a template, but was created from scratch. I filled in all the fields by hand; the second testing email sent to him was also from scratch. Yet only the first contained reference headers to Gene's email, not the second.
I only received one test email from you to my email address, and it did not contain the mystery Gene reference header.
So while myself or my email client, which is Kmail. are common denominators, my email templates, at least in this instance, are not. I deleted them anyway, since they will stay in my trash for a while and I can always retrieve them or create new ones. But I don't think templates are the problem.
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please?
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields by hand.
... and in doing so created a new thread :-)
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please?
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields by hand.
... and in doing so created a new thread :-)
On my home planet, we call this collateral damage.
Bill
On 21/10/2021 13:01, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please?
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields by hand.
... and in doing so created a new thread :-)
On my home planet, we call this collateral damage.
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A shame we're not all on your planet.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 03:22:14AM -0700, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Also there were two others that I sent you: one beginning "I fell asleep"
Yes, I got that one. It had no mystery Gene header.
and the other "And a little P.S.",
That was not sent to me directly, that was sent to the TDE mailing list.
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskto...
We can't see the full headers in the archive, or at least I can't see any way to access them, but in my copy, it also seems to have no mystery header.
I believe that whatever caused the problem, poking at it with a stick has caused it to go away.
I declare the problem fixed, until it reoccurs :-)
We can't see the full headers in the archive, or at least I can't see any way to access them, but in my copy, it also seems to have no mystery header.
I believe that whatever caused the problem, poking at it with a stick has caused it to go away.
I declare the problem fixed, until it reoccurs :-)
I can only imagine that I might have used an old template by mistake, and maybe that contained the problematic reference lines.
While trying to track down the problem, however, I did some housecleaning, and got rid of the old stuff that I never (or at least thought I never) use any more. So if it was in an old template, it's gone now.
Let's hope this is the end of it. Thanks everybody for their patience.
Now I am trying to get Konversation to run over Tor using their onion links. I haven't had time to get the IRC going.
Bill
On Thursday 21 October 2021 12:05:05 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
We can't see the full headers in the archive, or at least I can't see any way to access them, but in my copy, it also seems to have no mystery header.
I believe that whatever caused the problem, poking at it with a stick has caused it to go away.
I declare the problem fixed, until it reoccurs :-)
Here is something else to throw a little K2 in to fire. copy/pasted from a msg I just posted to the amanda list. It may have a bearing on this:
From: Gene Heskett gheskett@shentel.net To: amanda-users@amanda.org
On Thursday 21 October 2021 10:09:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
Finally, the answer to my many backup failures that actually explains it.
https://www.truenas.com/community/resources/list-of-known-smr-drives. 141/
Here is another link with good info and a better explanation of the tech.
https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/04/15/seagate-2-4-and-8tb-barracuda-and-desktop-hdd-smr/
I can only imagine that I might have used an old template by mistake, and maybe that contained the problematic reference lines.
This will be a long post.
8 or 10 months ago I had a hell of a time with amanda, I was useing a perfectly good 1Tbyte baracuda as a holding disk, used by amanda to collect data from client machines so writeing to tape wasn't constricted by the src bandwidth which will shoeshine the tape drive if its not fed data tast enough.
But I also use vtapes, not physical ones so shoeshining the tape is not a concern here.
But I kept getting CRC errors for the holding disk files, so amanda would redo that disklist entry again, (and again) until it got a good crc. Desparate to find a solution I pulled the data cable off the 1T seagate baracuda and plugged in a 240gig samsung evo 860 SSD I'd originally bought to make a raid6 or 10 /home drive out of. Never done as I now have assembled a 4 pack of 1Tbyte samsung evo 870's for that.
I'm using amanda to back up the goodie parts of 5 other machines in addition to this one and was used to a 20 gigabte backup taking 3 or 4 hours in the night. But putting in the SSD, I was amazed that this same sized backup was now taking 20 minutes, and my errors were GONE!
There are places where an SMR drive is ok, write once, read mostly is ok, but as a fast in, faster out buffer for amanda sure isn't one of them.
So if you have a multi user situation, and servicing this mailing list surely fits in that box, using an SMR drive could very well bite us in the ass with exactly this sort of fantom problems. The write speed for files bigger than the drives buffer can stretch to minutes and requires help from the device driver that the drive may not convey to the driver that it needs help.
While trying to track down the problem, however, I did some housecleaning, and got rid of the old stuff that I never (or at least thought I never) use any more. So if it was in an old template, it's gone now.
Let's hope this is the end of it. Thanks everybody for their patience.
Now I am trying to get Konversation to run over Tor using their onion links. I haven't had time to get the IRC going.
Bill
Take care all.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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