21 Oct
2021
21 Oct
'21
10:22 a.m.
On Thursday 21 October 2021 02:58:59 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though
it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields
by hand.
Also there were two others that I sent you: one beginning "I fell asleep" and
the other "And a little P.S.", where I prematurely declared that Gene's
reference headers appeared in both those emails. (It did in the first, so
naturally I assumed that it would be repeated in the second.)
That small detail doesn't support blaming my templates, and it makes no sense
that two emails, created in the same way, contain those big differences.
Bill
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 02:37:24AM -0700, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
By the way,
just rethinking an earlier email exchange with Steve
D'Arpano: That first testing email (sent to his private email address)
was not sent from a template, but was created from scratch. I filled in
all the fields by hand; the second testing email sent to him was also
from scratch. Yet only the first contained reference headers to Gene's
email, not the second.
I only received one test email from you to my email address, and it did
not contain the mystery Gene reference header.
So while myself or my email client, which is
Kmail. are common
denominators, my email templates, at least in this instance, are not. I
deleted them anyway, since they will stay in my trash for a while and I
can always retrieve them or create new ones. But I don't think templates
are the problem.
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please? 
21 Oct
21 Oct
10:53 a.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
On Thursday 21 October 2021 12.22:14 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and
this one, too, even
though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all
the fields by hand.
Well, I can't find Gene's reference in this mail. If this is true for all your
mails *and* you did delete your templates, I think Sherlock Holmes would say
this does incriminate your templates.
Thierry
11:38 a.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
On Thursday 21 October 2021 03:53:43 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Thursday 21 October 2021 12.22:14 William Morder
via tde-users wrote:
Except, as I said, there was just such an email, created new, without
templates, and it did contain Gene's reference. That one exception provides
my templates with an alibi, Watson.
dated 2021-10-20 3:04 am (my time Pacific US)
same subject line
beginning, "I fell asleep".
That was created just like the other test emails, not from a template.
Bill
Bill
Actually, that last one was just such an email,
and this one, too, even
though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all
the fields by hand.
Well, I can't find Gene's reference in this mail. If this is true for all
your mails *and* you did delete your templates, I think Sherlock Holmes
would say this does incriminate your templates.
Thierry 
11:28 a.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
On 21/10/2021 11:22, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 21 October 2021 02:58:59 Steven D'Aprano wrote:
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even though
it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all the fields
by hand.
... and in doing so created a new thread :-)
--
Michael Howard.
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 02:37:24AM -0700, William
Morder via tde-users
wrote:
By the
way, just rethinking an earlier email exchange with Steve
D'Arpano: That first testing email (sent to his private email address)
was not sent from a template, but was created from scratch. I filled in
all the fields by hand; the second testing email sent to him was also
from scratch. Yet only the first contained reference headers to Gene's
email, not the second.
I only received one test email from you to my email
address, and it did
not contain the mystery Gene reference header.
So while myself or my email client, which is
Kmail. are common
denominators, my email templates, at least in this instance, are not. I
deleted them anyway, since they will stay in my trash for a while and I
can always retrieve them or create new ones. But I don't think templates
are the problem.
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please?
12:01 p.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE list please?
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too, even
though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all
the fields by hand.
12:34 p.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
On 21/10/2021 13:01, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
... and in doing so created a new thread :-) On my home
planet, we call this collateral damage.
Bill
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Can you send a new email, from scratch, to the TDE
list please?
Actually, that last one was just such an email, and this one, too,
even
though it *looks* like a reply. I created a new email, and filled in all
the fields by hand. 
1:10 p.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
On Thu, Oct 21, 2021 at 03:22:14AM -0700, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Also there were two others that I sent you: one
beginning "I fell asleep"
Yes, I got that one. It had no mystery Gene header.
and the other "And a little P.S.",
That was not sent to me directly, that was sent to the TDE mailing list.
https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydeskt…
We can't see the full headers in the archive, or at least I can't see
any way to access them, but in my copy, it also seems to have no mystery
header.
I believe that whatever caused the problem, poking at it with a stick
has caused it to go away.
I declare the problem fixed, until it reoccurs :-)
--
Steve
4:05 p.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
We can't see the full headers in the archive, or
at least I can't see
any way to access them, but in my copy, it also seems to have no mystery
header.
I believe that whatever caused the problem, poking at it with a stick
has caused it to go away.
I declare the problem fixed, until it reoccurs :-)
I can only imagine that I might have used an old template by mistake, and
maybe that contained the problematic reference lines.
While trying to track down the problem, however, I did some housecleaning, and
got rid of the old stuff that I never (or at least thought I never) use any
more. So if it was in an old template, it's gone now.
Let's hope this is the end of it. Thanks everybody for their patience.
Now I am trying to get Konversation to run over Tor using their onion links. I
haven't had time to get the IRC going.
Bill
5:25 p.m.
New subject: email mess - maybe OT or not
On Thursday 21 October 2021 12:05:05 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Here is something else to
throw a little K2 in to fire.
copy/pasted from a msg I just posted to the amanda list. It may have a
bearing on this:
From: Gene Heskett <gheskett(a)shentel.net>
To: amanda-users(a)amanda.org
On Thursday 21 October 2021 10:09:19 Gene Heskett wrote:
We can't
see the full headers in the archive, or at least I can't
see any way to access them, but in my copy, it also seems to have no
mystery header.
I believe that whatever caused the problem, poking at it with a
stick has caused it to go away.
I declare the problem fixed, until it reoccurs :-)
Finally, the answer to my many backup failures that
actually explains
it.
<https://www.truenas.com/community/resources/list-of-known-smr-drives.
141/>
Here is another link with good info and a better explanation of the tech.
<https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/04/15/seagate-2-4-and-8tb-barracuda-and-desktop-hdd-smr/>
I can only imagine that I might have used an old
template by mistake,
and maybe that contained the problematic reference lines.
This will be a long post.
8 or 10 months ago I had a hell of a time with amanda, I was useing a
perfectly good 1Tbyte baracuda as a holding disk, used by amanda to
collect data from client machines so writeing to tape wasn't constricted
by the src bandwidth which will shoeshine the tape drive if its not fed
data tast enough.
But I also use vtapes, not physical ones so shoeshining the tape is not a
concern here.
But I kept getting CRC errors for the holding disk files, so amanda would
redo that disklist entry again, (and again) until it got a good crc.
Desparate to find a solution I pulled the data cable off the 1T seagate
baracuda and plugged in a 240gig samsung evo 860 SSD I'd originally
bought to make a raid6 or 10 /home drive out of. Never done as I now
have assembled a 4 pack of 1Tbyte samsung evo 870's for that.
I'm using amanda to back up the goodie parts of 5 other machines in
addition to this one and was used to a 20 gigabte backup taking 3 or 4
hours in the night. But putting in the SSD, I was amazed that this same
sized backup was now taking 20 minutes, and my errors were GONE!
There are places where an SMR drive is ok, write once, read mostly is ok,
but as a fast in, faster out buffer for amanda sure isn't one of them.
So if you have a multi user situation, and servicing this mailing list
surely fits in that box, using an SMR drive could very well bite us in
the ass with exactly this sort of fantom problems. The write speed for
files bigger than the drives buffer can stretch to minutes and requires
help from the device driver that the drive may not convey to the driver
that it needs help.
While trying to track down the problem, however, I did
some
housecleaning, and got rid of the old stuff that I never (or at least
thought I never) use any more. So if it was in an old template, it's
gone now.
Let's hope this is the end of it. Thanks everybody for their patience.
Now I am trying to get Konversation to run over Tor using their onion
links. I haven't had time to get the IRC going.
Bill
Take care all.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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- Louis D. Brandeis
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