Hi everyone!
In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping or removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is written:
Timothy Pearson wrote:
A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there are any.
I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not in Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is not considered an improvement. ;-) Perhaps you could gather information from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. Kicker?
Francois Andriot wrote:
Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I would'nt like it to be removed. I currently have no problem with it.
Here are some reasons:
- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all
applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge menu with many submenus.
- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays immediatly the
icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the search feature justs grays out the directories, but I still have to browse the tree to find the application I want. When the application list is very long, it is still not very convenient.
- I like the way applications are shown in menu: a "big" icon,
application name written with big letters, application summary with small letters. So there is no confusion between application name and application summary.
Maybe we should just ship Kickoff as a separate application, like kbfx ?
I have the same point of view as Francois Andriot on that and I can even add:
-Kick-Off is as fast as though. If the program I want to launch is Gimp, I click on the start menu, I write ''gim'' on the keyboard and a menu with ''Gimp'' already highlighted appear. I just have to press enter. Otherwise, in the classic menu, I would have to find the ''Graphics'' menu and I would need to read all the names of every programs in the list before I can see ''Gimp'' in the list. And everybody here knows that TDE comes with plenty of programs, so depending of what you are looking for, the menu can be long... We use search engines to find what we want on the Web, but it wouldn't be a good idea on your computer?
-Having a little summary of what the programs are is much more intuitive than having to start it, to see what it is. It is just more simple for users coming from Windows.
-On my little Asus EEE, with a screen resolution of 800x480, the Kick-off is just the right size, where on the classic start menu, often a sub-menu takes all the screen and many columns, and it gets just confusing and harder to find what you are looking for.
-I just don't get the point of users telling everywhere on this mailing list that NOTHING should change in TDE incomparison with KDE 3.5.10 and every single bit should stay identical, but the Kick-Off should be dropped. It is the same thing with Dolphin. Those are 2 KDE3 programs, it is not because they also exists in KDE4 that they are evil.
If the Kick-Off is to be dropped one day or another, would it be at least possible to implement the search feature of the classic start menu in a more efficient way?
Just my opinion... -Alexandre
said Alexandre Couture: | Hi everyone! | | In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping or | removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is written: | | Timothy Pearson wrote: | >> A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely | >> that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port | >> the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there | >> are any. | > | > I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not in | > Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is not | > considered an improvement. ;-) Perhaps you could gather information | > from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. Kicker? | | Francois Andriot wrote: | >Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I would'nt | >like it to be removed. | >I currently have no problem with it. | > | > | >Here are some reasons: | >- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all | >applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge menu | >with many submenus. | >- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays immediatly the | >icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the search feature justs | > grays out the directories, but I still have to browse the tree to find | > the application I want. When the application list is very long, it is | > still not very convenient. | >- I like the way applications are shown in menu: a "big" icon, | >application name written with big letters, application summary with | >small letters. So there is no confusion between application name and | >application summary. | > | >Maybe we should just ship Kickoff as a separate application, like kbfx | > ? | | I have the same point of view as Francois Andriot on that and I can even | add: | | -Kick-Off is as fast as though. If the program I want to launch is Gimp, | I click on the start menu, I write ''gim'' on the keyboard and a menu | with ''Gimp'' already highlighted appear. I just have to press enter. | Otherwise, in the classic menu, I would have to find the ''Graphics'' | menu and I would need to read all the names of every programs in the | list before I can see ''Gimp'' in the list. And everybody here knows | that TDE comes with plenty of programs, so depending of what you are | looking for, the menu can be long... We use search engines to find what | we want on the Web, but it wouldn't be a good idea on your computer? | | -Having a little summary of what the programs are is much more intuitive | than having to start it, to see what it is. It is just more simple for | users coming from Windows. | | -On my little Asus EEE, with a screen resolution of 800x480, the | Kick-off is just the right size, where on the classic start menu, often | a sub-menu takes all the screen and many columns, and it gets just | confusing and harder to find what you are looking for. | | -I just don't get the point of users telling everywhere on this mailing | list that NOTHING should change in TDE incomparison with KDE 3.5.10 and | every single bit should stay identical, but the Kick-Off should be | dropped. It is the same thing with Dolphin. Those are 2 KDE3 programs, | it is not because they also exists in KDE4 that they are evil. | | If the Kick-Off is to be dropped one day or another, would it be at | least possible to implement the search feature of the classic start menu | in a more efficient way? | | Just my opinion... | -Alexandre
My opinion of Kickoff is so strong that I had to Google it to see what it was. After having done so, I realized that it was one of the reasons I stuck with KDE-3.x and now TDE, it being one of those "we did it because we can" features that demonstrate that KDE was done, design-wise, in 3.x that, in keeping with KDE's "we know what's best and you don't" design philosophy.
If there is fervent support for this among TDE users, might it best be a separate and optional package? Then those who want it may have it and those who don't won't need to carry it around.
(Likewise, the best I can tell entirely useless plymouthd! Maybe somebody wants it, but I don't and would love to learn how to cast it into the abyss forever.)
On 2013-04-14 08:06 (GMT-0400) dep composed:
If there is fervent support for this among TDE users, might it best be a separate and optional package? Then those who want it may have it and those who don't won't need to carry it around.
My opinion of Kickoff is about as low as low gets, reminding me of the dumbed down WinXP menu as replacement of the W98/W2K menu style. Other than its search function, I see nothing that can't be or isn't already done better in the traditional menu. Icons to me are virtually useless regardless of size. If an app menu list is too long, it's only either because submenuing was not appropriately applied, and/or too many never to be used apps got installed automatically.
(Likewise, the best I can tell entirely useless plymouthd! Maybe somebody wants it, but I don't and would love to learn how to cast it into the abyss forever.)
None of my openSUSE systems have Plymouth installed. In openSUSE, dispensing with Plymouth is easy as removing the package, either 'zypper rm plymouth' from cmdline, or via YaST, if you neglect to taboo it during installation.
On Sunday 14 April 2013 13:06:19 dep wrote:
said Alexandre Couture: | Hi everyone! | | In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping or | removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is written: | | Timothy Pearson wrote: | >> A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely | >> that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port | >> the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there | >> are any. | > | > I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not in | > Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is not | > considered an improvement. ;-) Perhaps you could gather information | > from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. Kicker? | | Francois Andriot wrote: | >Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I would'nt | >like it to be removed. | >I currently have no problem with it. | > | > | >Here are some reasons: | >- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all | >applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge menu | >with many submenus. | >- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays immediatly the | >icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the search feature justs | > grays out the directories, but I still have to browse the tree to find | > the application I want. When the application list is very long, it is | > still not very convenient. | >- I like the way applications are shown in menu: a "big" icon, | >application name written with big letters, application summary with | >small letters. So there is no confusion between application name and | >application summary. | > | >Maybe we should just ship Kickoff as a separate application, like kbfx | > ? | | I have the same point of view as Francois Andriot on that and I can even | add: | | -Kick-Off is as fast as though. If the program I want to launch is Gimp, | I click on the start menu, I write ''gim'' on the keyboard and a menu | with ''Gimp'' already highlighted appear. I just have to press enter. | Otherwise, in the classic menu, I would have to find the ''Graphics'' | menu and I would need to read all the names of every programs in the | list before I can see ''Gimp'' in the list. And everybody here knows | that TDE comes with plenty of programs, so depending of what you are | looking for, the menu can be long... We use search engines to find what | we want on the Web, but it wouldn't be a good idea on your computer? | | -Having a little summary of what the programs are is much more intuitive | than having to start it, to see what it is. It is just more simple for | users coming from Windows. | | -On my little Asus EEE, with a screen resolution of 800x480, the | Kick-off is just the right size, where on the classic start menu, often | a sub-menu takes all the screen and many columns, and it gets just | confusing and harder to find what you are looking for. | | -I just don't get the point of users telling everywhere on this mailing | list that NOTHING should change in TDE incomparison with KDE 3.5.10 and | every single bit should stay identical, but the Kick-Off should be | dropped. It is the same thing with Dolphin. Those are 2 KDE3 programs, | it is not because they also exists in KDE4 that they are evil. | | If the Kick-Off is to be dropped one day or another, would it be at | least possible to implement the search feature of the classic start menu | in a more efficient way? | | Just my opinion... | -Alexandre
My opinion of Kickoff is so strong that I had to Google it to see what it was. After having done so, I realized that it was one of the reasons I stuck with KDE-3.x and now TDE, it being one of those "we did it because we can" features that demonstrate that KDE was done, design-wise, in 3.x that, in keeping with KDE's "we know what's best and you don't" design philosophy.
Same here.
If there is fervent support for this among TDE users, might it best be a separate and optional package? Then those who want it may have it and those who don't won't need to carry it around.
This has come up before, and is clearly one of the features of KDE 4 that Alexandre likes. But please, please, please if you do implement this in TDE, let it be a voluntary package that can be added on later, not a default that at best one can deinstall.
Dolphin too I think of as KDE4. Again, please if you decide that it should be available in TDE, make it an available package, not a part of the default installation.
(Likewise, the best I can tell entirely useless plymouthd! Maybe somebody wants it, but I don't and would love to learn how to cast it into the abyss forever.)
I am not saying this because I want TDE to be frozen in time. I am more than glad to see it developing and evolving. But these are two of the things that I most disliked about KDE4. I use TDE because I dislike KDE4, and although I do not dislike every available alternative, I just can't find one that I like as much as KDE3.
I used KDE from KDE 3.1 onwards. It changed considerable over that time. But it evolved. It wasn't thrown away with the bath water and started anew.
Lisi
Ok, just to make it clear: the point of this post is to see whether there is an interest in keeping the KickOff menu style available in TDE as an alternative to the Classic menu, or if it should be dropped. It is not about making it default or anything like that.
From this, we can see that there is at least 2 persons here who prefer the KickOff to the Classic menu (Me, Alexandre Couture and Francois Andriot). It is already available and it is an option that was available back in the time of KDE3
If some persons prefer it, should it mean that it has to be dropped just because some persons don't like it?
-Alexandre
On Sunday 14 April 2013 10:28:01 am Alexandre Couture wrote:
Ok, just to make it clear: the point of this post is to see whether there is an interest in keeping the KickOff menu style available in TDE as an alternative to the Classic menu, or if it should be dropped. It is not about making it default or anything like that.
From this, we can see that there is at least 2 persons here who prefer the KickOff to the Classic menu (Me, Alexandre Couture and Francois Andriot). It is already available and it is an option that was available back in the time of KDE3
If some persons prefer it, should it mean that it has to be dropped just because some persons don't like it?
-Alexandre
As an OPTION, I think it's just fine.
Andy
On Sunday 14 April 2013 15:46:17 Andy wrote:
On Sunday 14 April 2013 10:28:01 am Alexandre Couture wrote:
Ok, just to make it clear: the point of this post is to see whether there is an interest in keeping the KickOff menu style available in TDE as an alternative to the Classic menu, or if it should be dropped. It is not about making it default or anything like that.
From this, we can see that there is at least 2 persons here who prefer the KickOff to the Classic menu (Me, Alexandre Couture and Francois Andriot). It is already available and it is an option that was available back in the time of KDE3
If some persons prefer it, should it mean that it has to be dropped just because some persons don't like it?
-Alexandre
As an OPTION, I think it's just fine.
+1 But as an option.
The vocabulary worries me. It is not a question of DROPPING it, that would imply that it is already there and would need to be removed. It is a question of ADDING it. If the developers are game, I see no problem with having them as two available packages, and have already said so.
But I have also already said that I am chary of the constant pressure to add just this, add just that and become more like KDE4.
We have already gone over exactly this ground, tho' Alexandre has stopped calling it menu style and started calling it Kick-off.. It reminds me of Bart and Homer Simpson. "Can we go Dad?" "No." "Can we go Dad?" "No." "Can we go Dad?" "No." etc. until |Homer gives in.
Lisi
On Sunday 14 April 2013 15:46:17 Andy wrote:
On Sunday 14 April 2013 10:28:01 am Alexandre Couture wrote:
Ok, just to make it clear: the point of this post is to see whether there is an interest in keeping the KickOff menu style available in TDE as an alternative to the Classic menu, or if it should be dropped. It is not about making it default or anything like that.
From this, we can see that there is at least 2 persons here who prefer the KickOff to the Classic menu (Me, Alexandre Couture and Francois Andriot). It is already available and it is an option that was available back in the time of KDE3
If some persons prefer it, should it mean that it has to be dropped just because some persons don't like it?
-Alexandre
As an OPTION, I think it's just fine.
Andy
+1 from me too !
I also prefer the KickOff menu style. I do not like the classic menu style.
Thanks Alexandre.
Cheers,
Elcaset
On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 4:06 AM, Baron baron@linuxmaniac.net wrote:
On Sunday 14 April 2013 15:46:17 Andy wrote:
On Sunday 14 April 2013 10:28:01 am Alexandre Couture wrote:
Ok, just to make it clear: the point of this post is to see whether there is an interest in keeping the KickOff menu style available in TDE as an alternative to the Classic menu, or if it should be dropped. It is not about making it default or anything like that.
From this, we can see that there is at least 2 persons here who prefer the KickOff to the Classic menu (Me, Alexandre Couture and Francois Andriot). It is already available and it is an option that was available back in the time of KDE3
If some persons prefer it, should it mean that it has to be dropped just because some persons don't like it?
-Alexandre
As an OPTION, I think it's just fine.
Andy
+1 from me too !
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Lisi, I'm really sorry that trying the KickOff caused you trouble.
Maybe the search feature already available in the classic menu could be improved, if the KickOff is too problematic in newer TDE versions? Instead of graying out the programs in the classic menu, maybe it could be possible to make a menu appear with the search results? The search feature of the KickOff is probably the most important point of using it, and maybe the search feature of the classic menu could be improved to be as good as the one provided by the KickOff.
What do you think about it?
-Alexandre
On Wednesday 17 April 2013 15:55:44 Alexandre Couture wrote:
Lisi, I'm really sorry that trying the KickOff caused you trouble.
Maybe the search feature already available in the classic menu could be improved, if the KickOff is too problematic in newer TDE versions? Instead of graying out the programs in the classic menu, maybe it could be possible to make a menu appear with the search results? The search feature of the KickOff is probably the most important point of using it, and maybe the search feature of the classic menu could be improved to be as good as the one provided by the KickOff.
What do you think about it?
I'll have a proper look and then answer you - I don't want to just spout something off the top of my head. I am certainly not averse to a good search function! That is not the aspect of Kickoff that I don't like.
After a day in London I am feeling a little frazzled. I should be clearer headed after a night's sleep. ;-)
Lisi
said Alexandre Couture: | Ok, just to make it clear: the point of this post is to see whether | there is an interest in keeping the KickOff menu style available in TDE | as an alternative to the Classic menu, or if it should be dropped. It is | not about making it default or anything like that. | | From this, we can see that there is at least 2 persons here who prefer | the KickOff to the Classic menu (Me, Alexandre Couture and Francois | Andriot). It is already available and it is an option that was available | back in the time of KDE3 | | If some persons prefer it, should it mean that it has to be dropped just | because some persons don't like it? | | -Alexandre
If it's optional and someone wants to do the work to keep it current, I can't imagine any objection.
Lisi wrote:
+1 But as an option.
The vocabulary worries me. It is not a question of DROPPING it, that would imply that it is already there and would need to be removed. It is a question of ADDING it. If the developers are game, I see no problem with having them as two available packages, and have already said so.
Yes Lisi, it is already there, as it was also part of the few last releases of KDE 3. You just have to right-click on the Start Menu on click on ''Switch to KickOff menu style'' to try it. It's not a new feature.
(snip)
Lisi
-Alexandre
On Sunday 14 April 2013 16:35:29 Alexandre Couture wrote:
Lisi wrote:
+1 But as an option.
The vocabulary worries me. It is not a question of DROPPING it, that would imply that it is already there and would need to be removed. It is a question of ADDING it. If the developers are game, I see no problem with having them as two available packages, and have already said so.
Yes Lisi, it is already there, as it was also part of the few last releases of KDE 3. You just have to right-click on the Start Menu on click on ''Switch to KickOff menu style'' to try it. It's not a new feature.
So what are you making a fuss about? Incidentally, it is not on my system. Perhaps you have a residue of KDE4 stuff.
Lisi
Lisi,
Kickoff comes with all kicker installs you just need to enable it.
Sorry I didn't chime in sooner. I am all for keeping it, but that means that it needs to work well. Not freeze, not crash, and be very stable. If that is not the case, someone needs to work on it. if nobody wants to work on it I don't think it is appropriate to ship something that is unstable.
Calvi
On 14 April 2013 12:55, Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 14 April 2013 16:35:29 Alexandre Couture wrote:
Lisi wrote:
+1 But as an option.
The vocabulary worries me. It is not a question of DROPPING it, that would imply that it is already there and would need to be removed. It is a question of ADDING it. If the developers are game, I see no problem with having them as two available packages, and have already said so.
Yes Lisi, it is already there, as it was also part of the few last releases of KDE 3. You just have to right-click on the Start Menu on click on ''Switch to KickOff menu style'' to try it. It's not a new feature.
So what are you making a fuss about? Incidentally, it is not on my system. Perhaps you have a residue of KDE4 stuff.
Lisi
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Hi, Calvin, Thanks for your reply.
On Sunday 14 April 2013 18:03:52 Calvin Morrison wrote:
Kickoff comes with all kicker installs you just need to enable it.
I couldn't even find Kicker by what I would regard as usual means: launcher (for preference) or menu (if I have to). I found it via locate and ran it from the command line with the full path. It immediately removed my panel, then grabbed my desktop and started rolling it off the top of the screen, leaving me with an ever increasing area of black. I could find no way of arresting the disappearance, so I opened up a terminal, praying that at least alt-ctrl-Fx would work. It did.
I logged in, entered init 6, crossed my fingers, said my prayers and barely dared to look. On the whole I find that Kx applications that are running when I shut TDE down, open up again when I next boot. I was already planning on using my husband's computer to get at Gmail direct to plead for help in reclaiming my GUI (I usually use KMail and POP3), when to my delight TDE opened up with no trace at all of Kicker. I don't intend to risk opening Kicker again, even just to look at it!
Is this what you mean by bugs??!
Kick-off I have seen on KDE 4 and don't like it. Which is lucky, since I apparently can't have it. ;-)
Sorry I didn't chime in sooner. I am all for keeping it, but that means that it needs to work well. Not freeze, not crash, and be very stable. If that is not the case, someone needs to work on it. if nobody wants to work on it I don't think it is appropriate to ship something that is unstable.
If it is there anyway, why does Alexandre keep asking for it? (That's a rhetorical question.)
Lisi
On Monday 15 April 2013, Lisi Reisz wrote:
Hi, Calvin, Thanks for your reply.
On Sunday 14 April 2013 18:03:52 Calvin Morrison wrote:
Kickoff comes with all kicker installs you just need to enable it.
I couldn't even find Kicker by what I would regard as usual means: launcher (for preference) or menu (if I have to). I found it via locate and ran it from the command line with the full path. It immediately removed my panel, then grabbed my desktop and started rolling it off the top of the screen, leaving me with an ever increasing area of black. I could find no way of arresting the disappearance, so I opened up a terminal, praying that at least alt-ctrl-Fx would work. It did.
I logged in, entered init 6, crossed my fingers, said my prayers and barely dared to look. On the whole I find that Kx applications that are running when I shut TDE down, open up again when I next boot. I was already planning on using my husband's computer to get at Gmail direct to plead for help in reclaiming my GUI (I usually use KMail and POP3), when to my delight TDE opened up with no trace at all of Kicker. I don't intend to risk opening Kicker again, even just to look at it!
Is this what you mean by bugs??!
Kick-off I have seen on KDE 4 and don't like it. Which is lucky, since I apparently can't have it. ;-)
Sorry I didn't chime in sooner. I am all for keeping it, but that means that it needs to work well. Not freeze, not crash, and be very stable. If that is not the case, someone needs to work on it. if nobody wants to work on it I don't think it is appropriate to ship something that is unstable.
If it is there anyway, why does Alexandre keep asking for it? (That's a rhetorical question.)
Lisi
Bad luck Lisi!
Only as an explanation not that I want you to do it. Obviously Kicker already is running (even when I can not find a process called like this). I'm not familiar with the naming but it's either the lower panel or the program that creates the K-Menue that is called this way.
If you right klick the K-Meue there is an entry "Switch to Kickoff Menue Style" - there you are, you can switch between the two styles (Classical and Kickoff) easily. Even if I might not use it in future I've learned from this thread that it's there and I'm glad about it.
Gerhard
If you right klick the K-Meue there is an entry "Switch to Kickoff Menue Style" - there you are, you can switch between the two styles (Classical and Kickoff) easily. Even if I might not use it in future I've learned from this thread that it's there and I'm glad about it.
Gerhard
Now I have tried it, too :-)
It's kind of KDE4 experience: slow. Although I did not find it buggy, it's quite useless to me.
Nik
On Monday 15 April 2013 14:18:05 Gerhard Zintel wrote:
If you right klick the K-Meue there is an entry "Switch to Kickoff Menue Style" - there you are, you can switch between the two styles (Classical and Kickoff) easily. Even if I might not use it in future I've learned from this thread that it's there and I'm glad about it.
Thanks, Gerhard.
Even this right-click does not work on my Desktop! At least, it does work and brings things up, but nothing about other menu styles! Since this is only of academic interest - I have no desire to change from the default TDE style, which I like - I shan't loose any sleep over it. ;-)
Lisi
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, dep wrote:
said Alexandre Couture: | Hi everyone! | | In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping or | removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is written: | | Timothy Pearson wrote: | >> A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's unlikely | >> that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of trinity and port | >> the cool features of kickoff into the original kicker panel, if there | >> are any. | > | > I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not in | > Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is not | > considered an improvement. ;-) Perhaps you could gather information | > from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. Kicker? | | Francois Andriot wrote: | >Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I would'nt | >like it to be removed. | >I currently have no problem with it. | > | > | >Here are some reasons: | >- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all | >applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge menu | >with many submenus. | >- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays immediatly the | >icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the search feature justs | > grays out the directories, but I still have to browse the tree to find | > the application I want. When the application list is very long, it is | > still not very convenient.
I don't use search since I know the names of the applications I use most often so I have a couple of terminals open and just type in the names, e.g. 'gimp&' and voila!
(frankly, I seldom even look at the 'desktop'; I'd have to look to see what icons are present there. for my 'use case', it is irrelevant except as necessary prop for the programs I am engaged in.)
'apropos graphics' helps if I'm having trouble recalling the name but I also keep the (classic) menu pruned so stuff I'm not likely to even fool around with gets removed.
sorry, I don't have Francois's original post thus I'm replying to this end of the long tail.
just mentioning other ways and preferences for doing things.
I would also endorse keeping/adding 'kickoff' as an option for those who find it useful.
F.
On Sunday 14 April 2013 9:12:44 am you wrote:
On Sun, 14 Apr 2013, dep wrote:
said Alexandre Couture: | Hi everyone! | | In the trinity-devel mailing list, there is a nst about keeping | or removing the Kick-Off launcher. Here is a part of what is | written: | | Timothy Pearson wrote: | >> A good solution would be to 1) remove kickoff since it's | >> unlikely that it is used, and doesn't keep in the style of | >> trinity and port the cool features of kickoff into the | >> original kicker panel, if there are any. | > | > I would need a list of any improvements in Kickoff that are not | > in Kicker. Copious amounts of whitespace around each widget is | > not considered an improvement. ;-) Perhaps you could gather | > information from list members on why they use Kickoff vs. | > Kicker? | | Francois Andriot wrote: | >Hello, I'm always using Kickoff menu instead of Kicker, so I | > would'nt like it to be removed. | >I currently have no problem with it. | > | > | >Here are some reasons: | >- I prefer having separate tabs for favorites/all | >applications/Computer/History , instead of having a single huge | > menu with many submenus. | >- I prefer the search feature of Kickoff, which displays | > immediatly the icon of the app I'm searching. In kicker, the | > search feature justs grays out the directories, but I still | > have to browse the tree to find the application I want. When | > the application list is very long, it is still not very | > convenient.
I don't use search since I know the names of the applications I use most often so I have a couple of terminals open and just type in the names, e.g. 'gimp&' and voila!
(frankly, I seldom even look at the 'desktop'; I'd have to look to see what icons are present there. for my 'use case', it is irrelevant except as necessary prop for the programs I am engaged in.)
'apropos graphics' helps if I'm having trouble recalling the name but I also keep the (classic) menu pruned so stuff I'm not likely to even fool around with gets removed.
sorry, I don't have Francois's original post thus I'm replying to this end of the long tail.
just mentioning other ways and preferences for doing things.
I would also endorse keeping/adding 'kickoff' as an option for those who find it useful.
F.
+1, I use TDE as a WM more than a DE.
I use classic mode, did not know kickoff was available until now.
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