22 Jun
2018
22 Jun
'18
1:23 a.m.
On Thursday 21 June 2018 12:20:21 Slávek Banko
wrote:
"A-ha!
Slavek enlightens us all."
Slavek = Gnu Yoda
Kate
On Thursday 21 of June 2018 11:35:47 William
Morder wrote:
A-ha! Slavek enlightens us all.
Bill
--------------------------------------------------------------------- On Wed June 20 2018 07:23:07 William Morder
wrote:
For Devuan Jessie, the name was identical to Debian, but with another
meaning - it means minor planet Jessie (nr.10464).
https://devuan.org/os/releases
https://minorplanetcenter.net/iau/lists/MPNames.html
Cheers I recently migrated from Debian Jessie to the
Devuan Jessie-Beowulf
merged version. My problem is, now I cannot turn off my network, nor
control the connection at all. I was using the network-manager-tde
package, which has always worked just fine for me. I've tried all the
other network managers, and don't like how they behave. In
particular, I want to set my network so that it never connects
automatically, and will only connect manually.
Devuan Jessie works well but is based on Debian Jessie which is moving
into LTS.
Devuan Ascii works well and is based on Debian Stretch and is well
supported.
Devuan Beowulf is in development based on Debian Buster in development.
I don't know what you mean by "Devuan Jessie-Beowulf merged version".
I would not recommend Jessie as it is moving to LTS. I would not
recommend Beowulf at this time except to bleeding edge users who are
comfortable fixing any problems they might encounter. I would suggest
you start with a working Devuan Ascii before thinking about TDE PSB.
--Mike
Sorry, that's totally my mistake.
I've been running Debian for about a year now, but I've only been
running Devuan for about a week. I am not familiar with what Devuan
names correspond to the naming in Debian. I know that Devuan Ascii
corresponds to Debian Stretch, and somewhere I thought I remembered
that Beowulf corresponded to Jessie. Apparently they did not change the
name for Jessie?
At the time I was only sporadically online, had no list at hand to
check, and no browsers installed so that I could look it up online.
In any case, I believe I have solved my network issues (or at least
found a workaround). There are some deeper issues that I will bring up
in another thread.
Bill 
22 Jun
22 Jun
3:52 p.m.
New subject: network problems in Devuan Jessie
On Thursday 21 June 2018 18:23:55 Kate Draven wrote:
> On Thursday 21 June 2018 12:20:21 Slávek Banko
wrote:
> > On Thursday 21 of June 2018 11:35:47 William Morder wrote:
> > > On Wed June 20 2018 07:23:07 William Morder wrote:
> > > > I recently migrated from Debian Jessie to the Devuan Jessie
> > > > merged version. My problem is, now I cannot turn off my network,
> > > > nor control the connection at all. I was using the
> > > > network-manager-tde package, which has always worked just fine for
> > > > me. I've tried all the other network managers, and don't like
how
> > > > they behave. In particular, I want to set my network so that it
> > > > never connects automatically, and will only connect manually.
> > >
> > > Devuan Jessie works well but is based on Debian Jessie which is
> > > moving into LTS.
> > >
> > > Devuan Ascii works well and is based on Debian Stretch and is well
> > > supported.
> > >
> > > Devuan Beowulf is in development based on Debian Buster in
> > > development.
[*snip]
> > > In any case, I believe I have solved my
network issues (or at least
> > > found a workaround). There are some deeper issues that I will bring
> > > up in another thread.
> > >
> > > Bill
> >
Okay, just because I am an insufferable pedant, I would like to point out that
if we diverge from the question asked - even if we are vaguely talking about
computers - then this is still technically "off-topic"!
But to return to our muttons! (I beg my Francophone and Francophile readers to
forgive me; I know this is a mistranslation of the original.)
So here's the problem: I got my network working reasonably well, except for
one glitch, that it automatically connects at startup. I've tried wicd and
tdenetworkmanager, as well as the knetworkmanager. Also I've dabbled with
pretty much every other network management tool, and nothing changes. I set
the manager so that it does not connect automatically (which worked fine for
me in Debian Jessie), but now it keeps resetting the configuration, and
automatically connects on startup.
After I am up and running, I am able to connect and disconnect with few
problems, but this is really annoying.
Is it better to change the configuration file in one of these locations?
/etc/network/interfaces
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
I didn't have a problem like this before; never in Kubuntu, nor in Debian
Jessie; this is new only since I started running Devuan.
Aside from a few glitches, by the way, Devuan does run better than Debian. In
particular, Debian with systemd used to hang when I tried to reboot, but this
doesn't happen in Devuan.
I appreciate any help, suggestions or observations.
Bill
4:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie
Am Freitag 22 Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
So here's the problem: I got my network working
reasonably well, except for
one glitch, that it automatically connects at startup. I've tried wicd and
tdenetworkmanager, as well as the knetworkmanager. Also I've dabbled with
pretty much every other network management tool, and nothing changes. I set
the manager so that it does not connect automatically (which worked fine for
me in Debian Jessie), but now it keeps resetting the configuration, and
automatically connects on startup.
After I am up and running, I am able to connect and disconnect with few
problems, but this is really annoying.
Is it better to change the configuration file in one of these locations?
/etc/network/interfaces
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
Hello Bill,
in case I understood correctly and you don't want to connect to the internet at boot
time, have you tried this in "/etc/default/networking"?:
# Set to 'no' to skip interfaces configuration on boot
#CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
Regards,
Stefan
11:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie
On Friday 22 June 2018 09:30:24 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Freitag 22 Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
That may be what I was looking for. I overlooked the folder, I suppose,
because it had the nondescript name "default" ... but there's a lot of other
interesting stuff in there. I might get lost, and may wish to experiment with
modifications of some other programs and services.
All the web pages I searched pointed to those other two locations, but they
didn't solve the problem. I'll report on my results.
Thanks much!
Bill
So here's the problem: I got my network
working reasonably well, except
for one glitch, that it automatically connects at startup. I've tried
wicd and tdenetworkmanager, as well as the knetworkmanager. Also I've
dabbled with pretty much every other network management tool, and nothing
changes. I set the manager so that it does not connect automatically
(which worked fine for me in Debian Jessie), but now it keeps resetting
the configuration, and automatically connects on startup.
After I am up and running, I am able to connect and disconnect with few
problems, but this is really annoying.
Is it better to change the configuration file in one of these locations?
/etc/network/interfaces
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
Hello Bill,
in case I understood correctly and you don't want to connect to the
internet at boot time, have you tried this in "/etc/default/networking"?:
# Set to 'no' to skip interfaces configuration on boot
#CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
Regards,
Stefan 
23 Jun
23 Jun
6:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:30:24 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Am Freitag 22 Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
This is bad idea. It would cause ALL interfaces not to come up at boot,
including lo, which can cause some deamons not to start and other to behave
weirdly.
Removing auto clause from wlan0 (or whatever you wifi interface name is)
in /etc/network/interfaces should be enough for stopping auto connect at
startup if you are not also autostarting some gui misconfiguration program.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
So here's the problem: I got my network
working reasonably well, except
for one glitch, that it automatically connects at startup. I've tried
wicd and tdenetworkmanager, as well as the knetworkmanager. Also I've
dabbled with pretty much every other network management tool, and
nothing changes. I set the manager so that it does not connect
automatically (which worked fine for me in Debian Jessie), but now it
keeps resetting the configuration, and automatically connects on
startup.
After I am up and running, I am able to connect and disconnect with few
problems, but this is really annoying.
Is it better to change the configuration file in one of these
locations? /etc/network/interfaces
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
Hello Bill,
in case I understood correctly and you don't want to connect to the
internet at boot time, have you tried this in "/etc/default/networking"?:
# Set to 'no' to skip interfaces configuration on boot
#CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
9:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie
Am Samstag 23 Juni 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:30:24 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Oh, I didn't know that, it was just a guess. I should have said that I hadn't
tried that out.
in case I understood correctly and you don't
want to connect to the
internet at boot time, have you tried this in "/etc/default/networking"?:
# Set to 'no' to skip interfaces configuration on boot
#CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
This is bad idea. It would cause ALL interfaces not to come up at boot,
including lo, which can cause some deamons not to start and other to behave
weirdly. Removing auto clause from wlan0 (or whatever you wifi
interface name is)
in /etc/network/interfaces should be enough for stopping auto connect at
startup if you are not also autostarting some gui misconfiguration program.
Thank you,
Stefan
9:35 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie
On Saturday 23 June 2018 02:09:20 Stefan Krusche wrote:
Am Samstag 23 Juni 2018 schrieb Nick Koretsky:
Not to worry. I am usually pretty cautious; and if I screw up something based
on other people's suggestions, it is only lost time, as I always back up
everything.
Bill
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:30:24 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Oh, I didn't know that, it was just a guess. I should have said that I
hadn't tried that out.
in case I understood correctly and you don't
want to connect to the
internet at boot time, have you tried this in
"/etc/default/networking"?:
# Set to 'no' to skip interfaces configuration on boot
#CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
This is bad idea. It would cause ALL interfaces not to come up at boot,
including lo, which can cause some deamons not to start and other to
behave weirdly. Removing auto clause from wlan0 (or whatever you
wifi interface name is)
in /etc/network/interfaces should be enough for stopping auto connect at
startup if you are not also autostarting some gui misconfiguration
program.
Thank you,
Stefan
9:32 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] network problems in Devuan Jessie
On Friday 22 June 2018 23:12:58 Nick Koretsky wrote:
On Fri, 22 Jun 2018 18:30:24 +0200
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Yes, I was intending to try those places I mentioned above. This other
suggestion was a last resort, and I was sort of thinking the same thing. I
only want wlan0 not to connect until I do so manually.
Bill
Am Freitag 22 Juni 2018 schrieb William Morder:
This is bad idea. It would cause ALL interfaces not to come up at boot,
including lo, which can cause some deamons not to start and other to behave
weirdly.
Removing auto clause from wlan0 (or whatever you wifi interface name is)
in /etc/network/interfaces should be enough for stopping auto connect at
startup if you are not also autostarting some gui misconfiguration program. So here's the problem: I got my network
working reasonably well, except
for one glitch, that it automatically connects at startup. I've tried
wicd and tdenetworkmanager, as well as the knetworkmanager. Also I've
dabbled with pretty much every other network management tool, and
nothing changes. I set the manager so that it does not connect
automatically (which worked fine for me in Debian Jessie), but now it
keeps resetting the configuration, and automatically connects on
startup.
After I am up and running, I am able to connect and disconnect with few
problems, but this is really annoying.
Is it better to change the configuration file in one of these
locations? /etc/network/interfaces
/etc/NetworkManager/NetworkManager.conf
Hello Bill,
in case I understood correctly and you don't want to connect to the
internet at boot time, have you tried this in "/etc/default/networking"?:
# Set to 'no' to skip interfaces configuration on boot
#CONFIGURE_INTERFACES=yes
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