I've been experimenting with q4os. I've installed the pi version on my pi 3, and tody the direct installation version on a desktop (I have not yet tested the "live CD", that is supposed to let you choose where to install grub, and maybe also other things. While the system is fast, debian based and one of the only distributions I know to bring TDE directly, I found the implementation, well, let's say it could be better: - beside being called "q4os-desktop", it depends on tdesu. It took me some time to find how to get it to use tdesu instead, and I am not sure everything works. - But mainly, lots of things are missing. I had to basically install / reinstall everything with "trinity" to get some (to me) important configuration stuff. Out of the boy one could neither change the icon set, nor the window decoration. Other TDE control center elements were missing, such as the login manager. I have nothing against having to run synaptic, but I *knew* that it was possible to setup things. I know at least one man I directed to q4os (because he needed a system to run on an older notebook). He did not know TDE (nor KDE 3 I guess). q4os may introduce more people to TDE, and they will just get the feeling that TDE can't be changed the way they like. Shouldn't Trinity tell q4os to at least *tell* the users that the UI has been cropped and the way to get back all the functionality? Thierry -- "Great Man reaches complete understanding of the main issues; Petty Man reaches complete understanding of the minute details."                                               Confucius