Hello,
Merry Christmas !
May Christmas be synonymous with peace, within, among people and in the world...
André
I am not a Christmassy kind of person. I don't like how it has been ruined through commercialization. The advertisements start earlier and earlier every year. The worst part is the music, almost all of which is insufferably bland.
However ... lest people think that I am just a Grinch or Scrooge, I am not; I would just like to live in some better world.
I heard this event mentioned on the radio yesterday, and started looking it up. I did sort of maybe half-remember hearing about it somewhere, way back when, but wasn't sure if it really happened, or was just a kind of legend. It did really happen.
Imagine, if something like this happened once, it could happen again. Note that it was spontaneous, and that thereafter the people in charge were horrified, and put a stop to it.
Bill
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_truce
https://www.history.com/news/christmas-truce-1914-world-war-i-soldier-accoun... https://web.archive.org/web/20241215213524/https://www.history.com/news/chri...
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/the-real-story-of-the-christmas-truce https://web.archive.org/web/20241220231401/https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/th...
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/premium/article/christmas-truce-world-war... https://web.archive.org/web/20241220210524/https://www.nationalgeographic.co...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-story-of-the-wwi-christmas-truce-... https://web.archive.org/web/20241216171757/https://www.smithsonianmag.com/hi...
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/a-stunning-series-of-informal-ceas... https://web.archive.org/web/20241225005802/https://www.smithsonianmag.com/sm...
https://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofBritain/Christmas-Truce-1914/ https://web.archive.org/web/20241225005213/https://www.historic-uk.com/Histo...
On Wednesday 25 December 2024 20:17:59 William Morder wrote:
I am not a Christmassy kind of person. I don't like how it has been ruined through commercialization. The advertisements start earlier and earlier every year. The worst part is the music, almost all of which is insufferably bland.
[...] Confusion : Christmas with Jesus and Santa Claus business-commercial operation.
ajh-valmer composed on 2024-12-26 12:35 (UTC+0100):
William Morder wrote:
I am not a Christmassy kind of person. I don't like how it has been ruined through commercialization. The advertisements start earlier and earlier every year. The worst part is the music, almost all of which is insufferably bland.
[...] Confusion : Christmas with Jesus and Santa Claus business-commercial operation.
Check out "Season of birth" and "Islamic view" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_the_birth_of_Jesus
I'm a firm believer His birth was not in December as much by how the tradition of celebration on 25 December came about:
"Jesus was most likely not born the 25th of December. He was probably born in the fall. That was a date that was adopted by the church because it was the winter solstice and it was already a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. So the date for the 25th of December was really adopted from the pagans." https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/1245/f/6/t/are-christian-...
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
I'm a firm believer His birth was not in December as much by how the tradition of celebration on 25 December came about:
"Jesus was most likely not born the 25th of December. He was probably born in the fall. That was a date that was adopted by the church because it was the winter solstice and it was already a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. So the date for the 25th of December was really adopted from the pagans." https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/1245/f/6/t/are-christian-...
heh... Like always, convenient cultural appropriation
And, now a Most Sincere Happy New Year to all you TDE'rs who follow the Gregorian calendar. (WARNING! Thread drift!!)
Jonesy
On Thursday 26 December 2024 07:33:03 Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
On Thu, 26 Dec 2024, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
I'm a firm believer His birth was not in December as much by how the tradition of celebration on 25 December came about:
"Jesus was most likely not born the 25th of December. He was probably born in the fall. That was a date that was adopted by the church because it was the winter solstice and it was already a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. So the date for the 25th of December was really adopted from the pagans." https://www.amazingfacts.org/media-library/media/e/1245/f/6/t/are-christia n-holidays-really-biblical-
heh... Like always, convenient cultural appropriation
And, now a Most Sincere Happy New Year to all you TDE'rs who follow the Gregorian calendar. (WARNING! Thread drift!!)
Jonesy
As usual, I seem to have buried my lede. My point was to direct readers to that Christmas truce in 1914, in the first year of WWI.
The world today (as usual) is in a terrible way, and I was thinking, now there's a great idea, peace. People ought to try it.
Bill
ajh-valmer composed on 2024-12-26 12:35 (UTC+0100):
William Morder wrote:
I am not a Christmassy kind of person. I don't like how it has been ruined... through commercialization. The advertisements start earlier and earlier every year. The worst part is the music, almost all of which is insufferably bland.
Confusion between : Christmas with Jesus and Santa Claus business-commercial operation.
On Thursday 26 December 2024 15:02:01 Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Check out "Season of birth" and "Islamic view" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_the_birth_of_Jesus%5B...]
It's the first time I receive these answers above. So many considerations for a short and nice Merry Christmas, that I know and don't care about. For the next Christmas 2025, I won't wish Merry Christmas.
Well the way I see it, I think Christmas is about being there for other people. Thanksgiving 2.0. The commercialization part in the current year is frustrating yeah but there are other ways to celebrate.
My partner celebrates Hanukkah personally but it isn't all that different. Both are ways to end the year on a good note.
Merry Christmas and happy holidays!
-- bonkmaykr.xyz Software Developer, Canithesis Interactive
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-------- Original Message -------- On 12/26/24 3:35 PM, ajh-valmer via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
ajh-valmer composed on 2024-12-26 12:35 (UTC+0100):
William Morder wrote:
I am not a Christmassy kind of person. I don't like how it has been ruined... through commercialization. The advertisements start earlier and earlier every year. The worst part is the music, almost all of which is insufferably bland.
Confusion between : Christmas with Jesus and Santa Claus business-commercial operation.
On Thursday 26 December 2024 15:02:01 Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Check out "Season of birth" and "Islamic view" on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Date_of_the_birth_of_Jesus%5B...]
It's the first time I receive these answers above. So many considerations for a short and nice Merry Christmas, that I know and don't care about. For the next Christmas 2025, I won't wish Merry Christmas.
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Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
"Jesus was most likely not born the 25th of December. He was probably born in the fall. That was a date that was adopted by the church because it was the winter solstice and it was already a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. So the date for the 25th of December was really adopted from the pagans."
A little bit late, that I am reading this, I got stuck in a black out in the mountains where we had 1 meter of snow :)
In any case it is true that the reason we celebrate Christmas on the 24th (not 25th) is that this is the first day of the year when the day starts getting longer after it was getting shorter until 21st. It is indeed the winter solstice that was celebrated in the Roman Empire, but we know Jesus is the light and the truth, so the light is born on 24th thus Jesus is born on the 24th as a symbol for the truth.
If one knows how to read the New Testament, everything is very simple and clear.
BR
On Sat, 4 Jan 2025, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
"Jesus was most likely not born the 25th of December. He was probably born in the fall. That was a date that was adopted by the church because it was the winter solstice and it was already a popular holiday in the Roman Empire. So the date for the 25th of December was really adopted from the pagans."
A little bit late, that I am reading this, I got stuck in a black out in the mountains where we had 1 meter of snow :)
In any case it is true that the reason we celebrate Christmas on the 24th (not 25th) is that this is the first day of the year when the day starts getting longer after it was getting shorter until 21st. It is indeed the winter solstice that was celebrated in the Roman Empire, but we know Jesus is the light and the truth, so the light is born on 24th thus Jesus is born on the 24th as a symbol for the truth.
If one knows how to read the New Testament, everything is very simple and clear.
I didn't read the entire thread. What I learned a long time ago is that we don't actually know the exact day of Jesus birth. The date 24th/25th of December was indeed picked because it was already a popular holiday at that time (birth of the sun/light for the ancient Romans -> birth of Jesus). Even the year Jesus was born is not entirely clear. The most accurate statement seems to be in year 3 or 2 BC. But none of this matters since as BR states it is a symbol and it is also about the birth of Christianity.
Gianluca
BR
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
The most accurate statement seems to be in year 3 or 2 BC. But none of this matters since as BR states it is a symbol and it is also about the birth of Christianity.
The birth of Christ is actually the beginning of the age of the Pisces (♓︎) . This is the twelfth and final astrological sign in the zodiac. It is a mutable sign. It spans 330° to 360° of celestial longitude.
It starts in the year 1 and ends in 2150
Age of Taurus 4300 BCE 2150 BCE Age of Aries 2150 BCE 1 CE Age of Pisces 1 CE 2150 CE Age of Aquarius 2150 CE 4300
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