On Thursday 21 January 2016 21:41:53 Baron wrote:

Hi Thierry,

On Thursday 21 January 2016 21:27:14 Thierry de Coulon wrote:

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On Thursday 21 January 2016 22.11:08 Baron wrote:

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Hi Guys,

What do I have to do to stop "kate" from respawning ?

I've tried renaming all instances that I can find, even deleting them and it still keeps coming back.

Thanks:

Best Regards: Baron

You mean it starts by itself? Or you can't stop it?

I'm not a big fan of "kate" in itself if I'm not coding, but I never noticed this sort of behaviour.

Thierry

I don't care for "kate" either. I am trying to get rid of it !

I originally went into Synaptic and tried to remove it from there, but it wanted to remove most of TDE. So I chickened out and tried to rename every instance that I could find to stop it opening up when ever I selected a text file. I also tried "open with" and "remember application". So I've now been round and deleted every instance that I can find, but it simply replaces the renamed or deleted files.

Is this new in r14.00? I have 3.10.13.2 and if I click on a text file it opens in KWrite - my preferred text editor. I may have set it in KControl some while ago under file associations.

Lisi

On Thursday 21 January 2016, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

I would guess parts of kate are integrated in konqueror (as it seems to be the default editor).

So removing kate seems at least very difficult. It is the default embeded editor (and there is no other editor proposed in the list in the ControlCenter. I can associate kedit with *.txt files, but kate remains the default embeded editor.

This may explain why it's difficult (impossible?) to remove, but I've never seen it respawning.

Konqueror > Settings > Configure Konqueroro > File Associations put "txt" into "File name pattern" expand "text" field; you'll see "plain"; click it

Now choose "Application Preference Order". You can move Kate down the lines to get rid of it.

Hope that helps Gerhard

Hi Thierry, All,

On Thursday 21 January 2016 22:25:34 Thierry de Coulon wrote:

On Thursday 21 January 2016 22.41:53 Baron wrote:

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Hi Thierry,

I don't care for "kate" either. I am trying to get rid of it !

I originally went into Synaptic and tried to remove it from there, but it wanted to remove most of TDE. So I chickened out and tried to rename every instance that I could find to stop it opening up when ever I selected a text file. I also tried "open with" and "remember application". So I've now been round and deleted every instance that I can find, but it simply replaces the renamed or deleted files.

-- Best Regards: Baron

Seems we'll need some of the wizards that make TDE. I thought maybe deleting or renaming the program would do - but after deleting /opt/trinity/bin/kate... I can still start kate!

I would guess parts of kate are integrated in konqueror (as it seems to be the default editor).

So removing kate seems at least very difficult. It is the default embeded editor (and there is no other editor proposed in the list in the ControlCenter. I can associate kedit with *.txt files, but kate remains the default embeded editor.

This may explain why it's difficult (impossible?) to remove, but I've never seen it respawning.

Thierry

Thanks Thierry, When I delete the "kate" directory in ".trinity/share/apps/" the next time I open "apps" it's back... Maybe respawning was the wrong word ?

Lisi, It's R14.0. I hadn't checked "KControl". But now you have pointed it out I will check there. Thanks.

Gerhard, Thanks for the instructions on changing its priority in "Application Preference Order" seems to work. At least it doesn't grab the "txt" files anymore.

Thanks all for your help, its appreciated.

On Friday 22 January 2016 08:51:39 Baron wrote:

Hi Thierry, All,

On Thursday 21 January 2016 22:25:34 Thierry de Coulon wrote:

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On Thursday 21 January 2016 22.41:53 Baron wrote:

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Hi Thierry,

I don't care for "kate" either. I am trying to get rid of it !

I originally went into Synaptic and tried to remove it from there, but it wanted to remove most of TDE. So I chickened out and tried to rename every instance that I could find to stop it opening up when ever I selected a text file. I also tried "open with" and "remember application". So I've now been round and deleted every instance that I can find, but it simply replaces the renamed or deleted files.

-- Best Regards: Baron

Seems we'll need some of the wizards that make TDE. I thought maybe deleting or renaming the program would do - but after deleting /opt/trinity/bin/kate... I can still start kate!

I would guess parts of kate are integrated in konqueror (as it seems to be the default editor).

So removing kate seems at least very difficult. It is the default embeded editor (and there is no other editor proposed in the list in the ControlCenter. I can associate kedit with *.txt files, but kate remains the default embeded editor.

This may explain why it's difficult (impossible?) to remove, but I've never seen it respawning.

Thierry

Thanks Thierry, When I delete the "kate" directory in ".trinity/share/apps/" the next time I open "apps" it's back... Maybe respawning was the wrong word ?

Lisi, It's R14.0. I hadn't checked "KControl". But now you have pointed it out I will check there. Thanks.

Gerhard, Thanks for the instructions on changing its priority in "Application Preference Order" seems to work. At least it doesn't grab the "txt" files anymore.

That has been my solution to getting rid of kate. I liked gedit, but it scrambled the contents of a file one too many times so I'm using geany now. A pretty face, less capable, but has yet to scramble a file just while changing one byte in it. Plugins are gradually appearing as coders scratch their own personal itches.

I think my distaste for kate probably starts with its default font selections. Ugly is being kind...

Thanks all for your help, its appreciated.

Cheers, Gene Heskett

+1 for Kate

On 23/01/2016 00:00, Lisi Reisz wrote:

On Friday 22 January 2016 23:53:22 Michael Howard wrote:

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+1 for Kate

You are obviously a fan of Alice in Wonderland - it is easy to have more than nothing. ;-)

This particular thread is anti-Kate!!!

+1 for uncle-tom too!

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On 2016/01/23 05:12 PM, Thierry de Coulon wrote:

On Saturday 23 January 2016 01.00:00 Lisi Reisz wrote:

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On Friday 22 January 2016 23:53:22 Michael Howard wrote:

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+1 for Kate

You are obviously a fan of Alice in Wonderland - it is easy to have more than nothing. ;-)

This particular thread is anti-Kate!!!

Lisi

IMO, this is not the spirit to use on TDE mailing lists, no offense. If you dislike a particular thing/program/feature, just do not use it. Comments like the one above sounds very rude. I would expect some like those on other ML, not on TDE's ML.

So actually I felt the thread was more about how would it be possible to change the default editor in TDE :)

This is the right spirit ;-)

This is the strength of TDE: let it behave as _you_ want instead of learning to behave as the system wants.

This is the strength of TDE and why we are using it :-)

By the way, for those who DO like and use Kate, in R14.1.x there will be a new session panel and new features (such as read only sessions) which will make really easy to switch between different scenarios. The work is still on going and far from being finished, so do not expect it too soon though ;-)

Cheers Michele

Thierry de Coulon wrote:

The "feature" I dislike is the file list on the left. I've never liked these explorer-like setups (the first thing I do when setting up konqueror is to hide the "navigation panel"). It somehow disturbs me to see all the files that were edited before (I also switch off sessions).

I've never seen "all the files that were edited before" in the navigation panel... The Documents tab contains a list of _open_ documents. If you're seeing documents left open in a previous session, you have "Load last-used session" enabled.

I really like the Filesystem Browser tab with its associated navigation buttons (up/back/forward/home), Bookmarks and load Current Document Folder functions. The Tab Bar Extension is also a must have (much handier than the documents tab when you're using the filesystem tab). I have not had any luck customizing the toolbars though (tab extension to blame?).

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On 2016/01/24 05:46 AM, Dave Lers wrote:

I really like the Filesystem Browser tab with its associated navigation buttons (up/back/forward/home), Bookmarks and load Current Document Folder functions. The Tab Bar Extension is also a must have (much handier than the documents tab when you're using the filesystem tab). I have not had any luck customizing the toolbars though (tab extension to blame?).

Toolbar customization is a little bit of a pain because of the structure of Kate. You can do some customization but do not have full control as in some other editors. The reason is that the toolbar displays a collection of toolbars: there is the main one, the KPart one and some others. They merge together at runtime following a somehow cumbersome logic and so for example it is not always possible to place a given button exactly were you want. Sometimes you need to compromise. Also note that in some cases you make a change to the toolbar buton order but nothing seems to happen. Then you close and reopen Kate and the order is now what you wanted (yes, there is already a bug open for this).

BTW, in case you have been using Kate Tab Bar extension for years, you may have missed that since a couple of years ago middle-clicking the button in the tab bar closes the document, which is quite handy when you get use to it ;-)

Cheers Michele

Am Samstag, 23. Januar 2016 schrieb Lisi Reisz:

On Saturday 23 January 2016 00:00:00 Lisi Reisz wrote:

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On Friday 22 January 2016 23:53:22 Michael Howard wrote:

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+1 for Kate

You are obviously a fan of Alice in Wonderland - it is easy to have more than nothing. ;-)

This particular thread is anti-Kate!!!

I seem to have been somewhat misunderstood. Sorry. I shouldn't try to make a jokes on an international list. If people didn't understand the reference to Alice in Wonderland, which was the point, I'll leave it there rather than make it worse. I have already caused problems by my attempt to explain it. The joke was the mad-hatters tea party. I wasn't casting aspersions on Kate.

Na, one should not take things like that so seriouse. Better to make a joke that some do not understand than bow to something like "code of conduct" as on the KDE forum :-)

Nik

Lisi Reisz wrote:

I seem to have been somewhat misunderstood. Sorry. I shouldn't try to make a jokes on an international list. If people didn't understand the reference to Alice in Wonderland, which was the point, I'll leave it there rather than make it worse. I have already caused problems by my attempt to explain it. The joke was the mad-hatters tea party. I wasn't casting aspersions on Kate.

Lisi

I am not sure if I understood this pretty well. Alice in Wonderland was not among my favorite books as a child and I couldn't catch up with it later. I'm now waiting for our daughter to grow up a bit, so that we can catch up together. I came later to the book when studing fantasy in literature, because I like all that things that could happen in our fantasy - like E.T.A Hoffman or the movie "Cool World". However I do not think anyone here took this seriously, but the thing is , I've read so many "anti-Kate" posts, that one could have the impression first thing to do after install trinity desktop should be to remove Kate :)

I could compare Kedit with Notepad.exe and Kate with Notepad++ in Windows.

It is also not about having more than nothing. It is about having right what you need - and Kate delivers this. This is like the repair shop. You need various tools to do the work ... not only a hammer, however in some cases a hammer is sufficient, in other cases it will not provide the desired quality and efficiency of work.

regards

On Saturday 23 January 2016 23:32:14 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

Am Sonntag, 24. Januar 2016 schrieb deloptes:

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It is also not about having more than nothing. It is about having right what you need - and Kate delivers this. This is like the repair shop. You need various tools to do the work ... not only a hammer, however in some cases a hammer is sufficient, in other cases it will not provide the desired quality and efficiency of work.

Oh, having just a hammer simplifies live ... every probem starts to look like a nail when you look closer (and stare long enough) :-)

Nik

:-))

Lisi