27 Oct
2012
27 Oct
'12
8:11 p.m.
Hello folks,
Can anyone tell me how to remove or disable KWallet?
I recently added a couple of new very low traffic e-mail to accounts to check
and I want to store their passwords. However, I don't want to use KWallet
and instead I just store them in the kmail config file. The problem is that
now, every time I close Kmail I get a prompt to set up KWallet and when I
decline to use it I'm then prompted to save the passwords again. If I simply
close the KWallet prompt I lose the saved passwords and then have to look
them up and re-enter them each time I check the accounts.
This is really annoying.
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or at least disabling it?
TIA
LeeE
27 Oct
27 Oct
8:26 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or
at least disabling
it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-) KWallet is more or less OK for some
things, though very intractable, and with no usable handbook, but I really
dislike it for email, and would much rather just store the passwords in KMail
as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop
trying to make me top-post?
Lisi
8:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
I'll add a +1 for a bottom-post default option too. It's a little ironic that
one of the etiquette rules of this list is no top-posting yet Kmail always
inserts a couple of blank lines at the top and then leaves the cursor there
ready for top-posting.
LeeE
So, is there some way of removing KWallet
entirely or at least disabling
it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-) KWallet is more or less OK for some
things, though very intractable, and with no usable handbook, but I really
dislike it for email, and would much rather just store the passwords in
KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop
trying to make me top-post?
Lisi
9:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On 2012-10-27 21:26 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading
KMail 1.9.10 to stop
trying to make me top-post?
If you mean the cursor in the composition window is at the top with the quote
below it, it's not trying to persuade you to top post. It's trying to induce
you to both trim the quote down to only the portion that's relevant to your
reply, and to interleave your comments, so that it's clear as possible
exactly what it is your reply comments apply to, much like the ebb and flow
of oral conversation.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
9:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:06:07 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-27 21:26 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
You are, I'm afraid, just plain wrong when it comes to how I work. This may
be an accurate description of how you work, but you speak only for yourself,
though there may well be many who agree with you.
One of the great things that I like about KMail, is that, at one stage
uniquely among email clients, it allows one to pre-trim. I never quote the
whole text to which I am replying in the first place. I highlight the bit to
which I wish to reply, and only that gets into the composer window.
Moreover, I normally interleave, as you would know had you read many of my
emails.
What are the two blank lines for in your interpretation?
Why should it be easier to interleave starting from the top than from the
bottom?
No, most people start to type where the cursor is. I have had clients
complain that with the cursor at the bottom they bottom post and their
friends complain. It doesn't occur to them to move the cursor. A cursor at
the top strongly encourages top posting.
Let us choose where we want our cursor. Have yours at the top, by all means,
but let those of us, who wish to, have it at the bottom.
So again, does anyone know how to get KMail to stop trying to make me
top-post? I fear that there may not be a way. I have often said that I must
either put up or shut up - but I can still hope!!
Lisi
And while I am moaning, is there any way of
persuading KMail 1.9.10 to
stop trying to make me top-post?
If you mean the cursor in the composition window is at the top with the
quote below it, it's not trying to persuade you to top post. It's trying to
induce you to both trim the quote down to only the portion that's relevant
to your reply, and to interleave your comments, so that it's clear as
possible exactly what it is your reply comments apply to, much like the ebb
and flow of oral conversation. 
10:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:44:57 Lisi Reisz wrote:
A cursor at the top strongly encourages top posting.
Let us choose where we want our cursor. Have yours at the top, by
all means, but let those of us, who wish to, have it at the bottom.
So again, does anyone know how to get KMail to stop trying to make me
top-post? I fear that there may not be a way. I have often said
that I must either put up or shut up - but I can still hope!!
Lisi
+1
--
Best Regards:
Baron.
10:28 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KMail composition cursor (was: KWallet)
On 2012-10-27 22:44 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
As to the original question why you can't change the default: it's FOSS.
Either it disappeared or got hidden by accident and no one noticed, or no one
ever got around to providing the option in the first place. Be thankful you
have Trinity and KMail3 instead of being stuck with an unsupported old
version, KDE4, or something worse. :-)
What are the two blank lines for in your
interpretation?
What blank lines? What "interpretation"?
Why should it be easier to interleave starting from
the top than from the
bottom?
I can't imagine myself doing it upside down, but I should think similarly as
for reading[1]:
Because it breaks the logical typical sequence of formulating a response,
start to finish, instead of upside down or back to front.
Naturally anyone can start anywhere they please in any competent email
composition window, but people do tend to start things at the beginning more
often than at the end or in the middle, making top a quite logical default
even if the many clueless take as an inducement to start composing without
doing any culling, or even thinking, about what they are doing or where they are.
[1]
A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
28 Oct
28 Oct
7:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KMail composition cursor (was: KWallet)
On Saturday 27 October 2012 23:28:54 Felix Miata wrote:
The two blank lines that are inserted where the cursor is.
For "what interpretation", I refer you to your own email. It is these that
are the main irritant because they have to be deleted. I move the cursor
around anyway.
As I said, by all means speak for yourself. The position of the cursor does
not affect my reading ability, and there is usually no trimming to do once I
have the composition window.
On 2012-10-27 22:44 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
As to the original question why you can't change the default: it's FOSS.
Either it disappeared or got hidden by accident and no one noticed, or no
one ever got around to providing the option in the first place.
This is a very new situation, so someone _has_ changed it, either deliberately
or accidentally.
Be thankful
you have Trinity and KMail3 instead of being stuck with an unsupported old
version, KDE4, or something worse. :-)
As I said, put up or shut up. But as I also said, I can always hope.
What are the
two blank lines for in your interpretation?
What blank lines? What "interpretation"? Why should it
be easier to interleave starting from the top than from the
bottom?
I can't imagine myself doing it upside down, but I should think similarly
as for reading[1]: Because it breaks the logical typical sequence of
formulating a response,
start to finish, instead of upside down or back to front.
Naturally anyone can start anywhere they please in any competent email
composition window, but people do tend to start things at the beginning
more often than at the end or in the middle,
Yes, the vast majority of people just start typing, so end up top posting and
not trimming at all.
making top a quite logical
default even if the many clueless take as an inducement to start composing
without doing any culling, or even thinking, about what they are doing or
where they are.
The result is that everything is in the wrong order - see your own post
script.
A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the
discussion.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
So don't encourage it by having the cursor at the top and leaving the blank
lines there.
Blank lines left intact, so hopefully they will transmit.
Lisi
8:26 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KMail composition cursor (was: KWallet)
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:42:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
The two blank lines that are inserted where the cursor is.
[snip]
What are the two blank lines for in your
interpretation?
What blank lines?
Blank lines left intact, so hopefully they will transmit.
They didn't!! So we have our answer - just ignore them.
Though it would be nice to have the cursor at the bottom, for when it is a
very short quote and interleaving makes no sense. (Like here.)
Lisi
12:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KMail composition cursor
On 2012-10-28 07:42 (GMT) Lisi Reisz composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
> On 2012-10-27 22:44 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz
composed:
> > What are the two blank lines for in your
interpretation?
> What blank lines? What "interpretation"?
The two blank lines that are inserted where the cursor
is.
For "what interpretation", I refer you to
your own email.
I'm still lost as to the meaning of "your interpretation". In the sent
versions of my emails, whatever blank lines may or may not have been in my
composition window cannot be distinguished from blank lines I inserted or
removed prior to sending.
--
"The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant
words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
27 Oct
27 Oct
10:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
I will see your +2 and raise you another!
So, is there some way of removing KWallet
entirely or at least
disabling it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-) I really dislike it for email, and would much rather
just store
the passwords in KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10
to stop trying to make me top-post?
KMail 1.9.10 (Using KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity]) here and with the "Use smart
quoting" box checked, I get my preferred placement of the cursor in the
Composer window. Did you try that?
Cheers,
Glen
<Snip the list footer>
|<<<--- This is where I get my initial cursor.
28 Oct
28 Oct
7:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 23:18:33 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
I have a cross in the "Use smart quoting" box, but my cursor still
determinedly sits at the top in its two blank lines. :-(.
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
I will see your +2 and raise you another!
So, is there some way of removing KWallet
entirely or at least
disabling it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-) I really dislike it for email, and would much
rather just store
the passwords in KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10
to stop trying to make me top-post?
KMail 1.9.10 (Using KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity]) here and with the "Use smart
quoting" box checked, I get my preferred placement of the cursor in the
Composer window. Did you try that? <Snip the list footer>
|<<<--- This is where I get my initial cursor.
Now, what bribe did you give to the gremlins? Or were you just born lucky?
I have turned a pale shade of green!
Lisi
7:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 18:29:00 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 23:18:33 Glen Cunningham
wrote:
> On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
<big snip>
Now, what bribe did you give to the gremlins? Or were
you just born
lucky?
Perhaps it was more luck than good management. :-)
Werner has posted the definitive answer. "%CURSOR" should be last line
in your default reply and/or reply to list template. Just checked and
mine is set that way, it must have been the default some time ago as I
don't remember ever changing it - although at my age, not remembering
is a common occurrence. :-(
G.
8:29 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:52:52 Glen Cunningham wrote:
Werner has posted the definitive answer.
"%CURSOR" should be last line
in your default reply and/or reply to list template.
Se my reply to Werner. :-(
Just checked and
mine is set that way, it must have been the default some time ago as I
don't remember ever changing it
No, it is a very recent change - I have recently reinstalled.
- although at my age, not remembering
is a common occurrence. :-(
+1 :-(
Lisi
6:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading
KMail 1.9.10 to stop
trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates.
if there is a
%CURSOR
at the top, that will default to top-posting
(and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :)
so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%-
On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote:
%QUOTE
%BLANK
%CURSOR
- much better ;-)
werner
8:33 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 06:52:17 Werner Joss wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz
wrote:
Thanks, Werner. My default reply template was indeed set with the two blank
lines and the cursor at the top. But putting your incantation in instead has
made no difference. I have also put it in as a custom template, but still
cannot persuade KMail composer to use it.
Of, well - I have clearly badly upset the gremlins. :-(
I have again just left the two blank lines. Hopefully they again won't
transmit.
Lisi
And while I am moaning, is there any way of
persuading KMail 1.9.10 to
stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates.
if there is a
%CURSOR
at the top, that will default to top-posting
(and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :)
so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%-
On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote:
%QUOTE
%BLANK
%CURSOR
8:44 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 09:33:33 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Thanks, Werner. My default reply template was indeed
set with the two
blank lines and the cursor at the top. But putting your incantation in
instead has made no difference. I have also put it in as a custom
template, but still cannot persuade KMail composer to use it.
did you restart kmail after the change ?
and also change the template for 'list reply' ?
werner
10:23 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 08:44:00 Werner Joss wrote:
On Sunday 28 October 2012 09:33:33 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Yes, several times and also the computer for good measure.
Thanks, Werner. My default reply template was
indeed set with the two
blank lines and the cursor at the top. But putting your incantation in
instead has made no difference. I have also put it in as a custom
template, but still cannot persuade KMail composer to use it.
did you restart kmail after the change ? and also change the template for 'list reply'
?
\o/ Bingo. I hadn't realised that those references to list etc. were for
clicking on - I thought that was just a list of what was covered - rather
than effectively a list of what wasn't covered.
I've had a nice time just now trying and then adapting all of them. And KMail
is now behaving how I like it to. :-))
Thank you very much, Werner.
Lisi
10:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 11:23:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
\o/ Bingo. I hadn't realised that those
references to list etc. were for
clicking on - I thought that was just a list of what was covered - rather
than effectively a list of what wasn't covered.
I've had a nice time just now trying and then adapting all of them. And
KMail is now behaving how I like it to. :-))
Thank you very much, Werner.
you're welcome :)
werner
12:19 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 06:52:17 Werner Joss wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz
wrote:
Thanks Werner; moving the %CURSOR and removing the leading %BLANK lines did it
for me.
Now... I've just got to find how to make Kwallet less intrusive and then I
think Kmail will be absolutely perfect.
LeeE
And while I am moaning, is there any way of
persuading KMail 1.9.10 to
stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates.
if there is a
%CURSOR
at the top, that will default to top-posting
(and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :)
so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%-
On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote:
%QUOTE
%BLANK
%CURSOR
- much better ;-)
werner
4:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Sunday 28 October 2012 12:19:19 leee wrote:
Now... I've just got to find how to make Kwallet
less intrusive and then I
think Kmail will be absolutely perfect.
:-) Not that I am sure that anything can be _absolutely_ perfect, but a
pretty good working model of perfection!
Lisi
7:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] KWallet
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:52:17 you wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz
wrote:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of
persuading KMail 1.9.10
to stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates.
if there is a
%CURSOR
at the top, that will default to top-posting
(and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :)
so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%-
On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote:
%QUOTE
%BLANK
%CURSOR
- much better ;-) http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please
remember not to
top-post:
http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
Thank You,
now if only the thread was not named 'Kwallett" :-)
--
Peace,
Greg
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