Hello folks,
Can anyone tell me how to remove or disable KWallet?
I recently added a couple of new very low traffic e-mail to accounts to check and I want to store their passwords. However, I don't want to use KWallet and instead I just store them in the kmail config file. The problem is that now, every time I close Kmail I get a prompt to set up KWallet and when I decline to use it I'm then prompted to save the passwords again. If I simply close the KWallet prompt I lose the saved passwords and then have to look them up and re-enter them each time I check the accounts.
This is really annoying.
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or at least disabling it?
TIA
LeeE
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or at least disabling it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-) KWallet is more or less OK for some things, though very intractable, and with no usable handbook, but I really dislike it for email, and would much rather just store the passwords in KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
Lisi
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or at least disabling it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-) KWallet is more or less OK for some things, though very intractable, and with no usable handbook, but I really dislike it for email, and would much rather just store the passwords in KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
Lisi
I'll add a +1 for a bottom-post default option too. It's a little ironic that one of the etiquette rules of this list is no top-posting yet Kmail always inserts a couple of blank lines at the top and then leaves the cursor there ready for top-posting.
LeeE
On 2012-10-27 21:26 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
If you mean the cursor in the composition window is at the top with the quote below it, it's not trying to persuade you to top post. It's trying to induce you to both trim the quote down to only the portion that's relevant to your reply, and to interleave your comments, so that it's clear as possible exactly what it is your reply comments apply to, much like the ebb and flow of oral conversation.
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:06:07 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-27 21:26 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
If you mean the cursor in the composition window is at the top with the quote below it, it's not trying to persuade you to top post. It's trying to induce you to both trim the quote down to only the portion that's relevant to your reply, and to interleave your comments, so that it's clear as possible exactly what it is your reply comments apply to, much like the ebb and flow of oral conversation.
You are, I'm afraid, just plain wrong when it comes to how I work. This may be an accurate description of how you work, but you speak only for yourself, though there may well be many who agree with you.
One of the great things that I like about KMail, is that, at one stage uniquely among email clients, it allows one to pre-trim. I never quote the whole text to which I am replying in the first place. I highlight the bit to which I wish to reply, and only that gets into the composer window. Moreover, I normally interleave, as you would know had you read many of my emails.
What are the two blank lines for in your interpretation?
Why should it be easier to interleave starting from the top than from the bottom?
No, most people start to type where the cursor is. I have had clients complain that with the cursor at the bottom they bottom post and their friends complain. It doesn't occur to them to move the cursor. A cursor at the top strongly encourages top posting.
Let us choose where we want our cursor. Have yours at the top, by all means, but let those of us, who wish to, have it at the bottom.
So again, does anyone know how to get KMail to stop trying to make me top-post? I fear that there may not be a way. I have often said that I must either put up or shut up - but I can still hope!!
Lisi
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:44:57 Lisi Reisz wrote:
A cursor at the top strongly encourages top posting.
Let us choose where we want our cursor. Have yours at the top, by all means, but let those of us, who wish to, have it at the bottom.
So again, does anyone know how to get KMail to stop trying to make me top-post? I fear that there may not be a way. I have often said that I must either put up or shut up - but I can still hope!!
Lisi
+1
On 2012-10-27 22:44 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
As to the original question why you can't change the default: it's FOSS. Either it disappeared or got hidden by accident and no one noticed, or no one ever got around to providing the option in the first place. Be thankful you have Trinity and KMail3 instead of being stuck with an unsupported old version, KDE4, or something worse. :-)
What are the two blank lines for in your interpretation?
What blank lines? What "interpretation"?
Why should it be easier to interleave starting from the top than from the bottom?
I can't imagine myself doing it upside down, but I should think similarly as for reading[1]:
Because it breaks the logical typical sequence of formulating a response, start to finish, instead of upside down or back to front.
Naturally anyone can start anywhere they please in any competent email composition window, but people do tend to start things at the beginning more often than at the end or in the middle, making top a quite logical default even if the many clueless take as an inducement to start composing without doing any culling, or even thinking, about what they are doing or where they are.
[1] A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
On Saturday 27 October 2012 23:28:54 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-27 22:44 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
As to the original question why you can't change the default: it's FOSS. Either it disappeared or got hidden by accident and no one noticed, or no one ever got around to providing the option in the first place.
This is a very new situation, so someone _has_ changed it, either deliberately or accidentally.
Be thankful you have Trinity and KMail3 instead of being stuck with an unsupported old version, KDE4, or something worse. :-)
As I said, put up or shut up. But as I also said, I can always hope.
What are the two blank lines for in your interpretation?
What blank lines? What "interpretation"?
The two blank lines that are inserted where the cursor is.
For "what interpretation", I refer you to your own email. It is these that are the main irritant because they have to be deleted. I move the cursor around anyway.
Why should it be easier to interleave starting from the top than from the bottom?
I can't imagine myself doing it upside down, but I should think similarly as for reading[1]:
As I said, by all means speak for yourself. The position of the cursor does not affect my reading ability, and there is usually no trimming to do once I have the composition window.
Because it breaks the logical typical sequence of formulating a response, start to finish, instead of upside down or back to front.
Naturally anyone can start anywhere they please in any competent email composition window, but people do tend to start things at the beginning more often than at the end or in the middle,
Yes, the vast majority of people just start typing, so end up top posting and not trimming at all.
making top a quite logical default even if the many clueless take as an inducement to start composing without doing any culling, or even thinking, about what they are doing or where they are.
The result is that everything is in the wrong order - see your own post script.
A: Because it breaks the logical sequence of the discussion. Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? A: Top-posting. Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet and in e-mail?
So don't encourage it by having the cursor at the top and leaving the blank lines there.
Blank lines left intact, so hopefully they will transmit. Lisi
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:42:25 Lisi Reisz wrote:
What are the two blank lines for in your interpretation?
What blank lines?
The two blank lines that are inserted where the cursor is.
[snip]
Blank lines left intact, so hopefully they will transmit.
They didn't!! So we have our answer - just ignore them.
Though it would be nice to have the cursor at the bottom, for when it is a very short quote and interleaving makes no sense. (Like here.)
Lisi
On 2012-10-28 07:42 (GMT) Lisi Reisz composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
On 2012-10-27 22:44 (GMT+0100) Lisi Reisz composed:
What are the two blank lines for in your interpretation?
What blank lines? What "interpretation"?
The two blank lines that are inserted where the cursor is.
For "what interpretation", I refer you to your own email.
I'm still lost as to the meaning of "your interpretation". In the sent versions of my emails, whatever blank lines may or may not have been in my composition window cannot be distinguished from blank lines I inserted or removed prior to sending.
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or at least disabling it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-)
I will see your +2 and raise you another!
I really dislike it for email, and would much rather just store the passwords in KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
KMail 1.9.10 (Using KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity]) here and with the "Use smart quoting" box checked, I get my preferred placement of the cursor in the Composer window. Did you try that?
Cheers, Glen
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On Saturday 27 October 2012 23:18:33 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 21:11:58 leee wrote:
So, is there some way of removing KWallet entirely or at least disabling it?
+1, - or +2 if I'm allowed it. ;-)
I will see your +2 and raise you another!
I really dislike it for email, and would much rather just store the passwords in KMail as I used to do.
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
KMail 1.9.10 (Using KDE 3.5.11 [Trinity]) here and with the "Use smart quoting" box checked, I get my preferred placement of the cursor in the Composer window. Did you try that?
I have a cross in the "Use smart quoting" box, but my cursor still determinedly sits at the top in its two blank lines. :-(.
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Now, what bribe did you give to the gremlins? Or were you just born lucky?
I have turned a pale shade of green!
Lisi
On Sunday 28 October 2012 18:29:00 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 23:18:33 Glen Cunningham wrote:
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
<big snip>
Now, what bribe did you give to the gremlins? Or were you just born lucky?
Perhaps it was more luck than good management. :-)
Werner has posted the definitive answer. "%CURSOR" should be last line in your default reply and/or reply to list template. Just checked and mine is set that way, it must have been the default some time ago as I don't remember ever changing it - although at my age, not remembering is a common occurrence. :-( G.
On Sunday 28 October 2012 07:52:52 Glen Cunningham wrote:
Werner has posted the definitive answer. "%CURSOR" should be last line in your default reply and/or reply to list template.
Se my reply to Werner. :-(
Just checked and mine is set that way, it must have been the default some time ago as I don't remember ever changing it
No, it is a very recent change - I have recently reinstalled.
- although at my age, not remembering
is a common occurrence. :-(
+1 :-(
Lisi
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates. if there is a %CURSOR at the top, that will default to top-posting (and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :) so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%- On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote: %QUOTE %BLANK %CURSOR
- much better ;-)
werner
On Sunday 28 October 2012 06:52:17 Werner Joss wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates. if there is a %CURSOR at the top, that will default to top-posting (and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :) so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%- On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote: %QUOTE %BLANK %CURSOR
Thanks, Werner. My default reply template was indeed set with the two blank lines and the cursor at the top. But putting your incantation in instead has made no difference. I have also put it in as a custom template, but still cannot persuade KMail composer to use it.
Of, well - I have clearly badly upset the gremlins. :-(
I have again just left the two blank lines. Hopefully they again won't transmit.
Lisi
On Sunday 28 October 2012 09:33:33 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Thanks, Werner. My default reply template was indeed set with the two blank lines and the cursor at the top. But putting your incantation in instead has made no difference. I have also put it in as a custom template, but still cannot persuade KMail composer to use it.
did you restart kmail after the change ? and also change the template for 'list reply' ?
werner
On Sunday 28 October 2012 08:44:00 Werner Joss wrote:
On Sunday 28 October 2012 09:33:33 Lisi Reisz wrote:
Thanks, Werner. My default reply template was indeed set with the two blank lines and the cursor at the top. But putting your incantation in instead has made no difference. I have also put it in as a custom template, but still cannot persuade KMail composer to use it.
did you restart kmail after the change ?
Yes, several times and also the computer for good measure.
and also change the template for 'list reply' ?
\o/ Bingo. I hadn't realised that those references to list etc. were for clicking on - I thought that was just a list of what was covered - rather than effectively a list of what wasn't covered.
I've had a nice time just now trying and then adapting all of them. And KMail is now behaving how I like it to. :-))
Thank you very much, Werner.
Lisi
On Sunday 28 October 2012 11:23:54 Lisi Reisz wrote:
\o/ Bingo. I hadn't realised that those references to list etc. were for clicking on - I thought that was just a list of what was covered - rather than effectively a list of what wasn't covered.
I've had a nice time just now trying and then adapting all of them. And KMail is now behaving how I like it to. :-))
Thank you very much, Werner.
you're welcome :)
werner
On Sunday 28 October 2012 06:52:17 Werner Joss wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates. if there is a %CURSOR at the top, that will default to top-posting (and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :) so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%- On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote: %QUOTE %BLANK %CURSOR
- much better ;-)
werner
Thanks Werner; moving the %CURSOR and removing the leading %BLANK lines did it for me.
Now... I've just got to find how to make Kwallet less intrusive and then I think Kmail will be absolutely perfect.
LeeE
On Sunday 28 October 2012 12:19:19 leee wrote:
Now... I've just got to find how to make Kwallet less intrusive and then I think Kmail will be absolutely perfect.
:-) Not that I am sure that anything can be _absolutely_ perfect, but a pretty good working model of perfection!
Lisi
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:52:17 you wrote:
On Saturday 27 October 2012 22:26:08 Lisi Reisz wrote:
And while I am moaning, is there any way of persuading KMail 1.9.10 to stop trying to make me top-post?
check your default settings under configure-komposer-templates. if there is a %CURSOR at the top, that will default to top-posting (and this was the default, here, should be changed, IMHO :) so I changed my templates like so:
%REM="Default reply template"%- On %ODATEEN %OTIMELONGEN %OFROMNAME wrote: %QUOTE %BLANK %CURSOR
- much better ;-)
http://trinity-users.pearsoncomputing.net/ Please remember not to top-post: http://trinity.pearsoncomputing.net/mailing_lists/#top-posting
Thank You, now if only the thread was not named 'Kwallett" :-)
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