Hi List,
the newly installed Trinity shwes me a alt+ctrl+del before the login. Really? a windows-alike? Please: 1) How to deactivate (kinda silly on a single notebook) 2) use! another! key! combination!
mclien
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Frank Lienhard frank@mclien.de wrote:
the newly installed Trinity shwes me a alt+ctrl+del before the login. Really? a windows-alike? Please:
- How to deactivate (kinda silly on a single notebook)
Kmenu>Settings>System Administration>Login Manager
Uncheck "Enable Secure Attention Key"
THX, and sorry for the little over react on 2) (comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Frank Lienhard frank@mclien.de wrote:
the newly installed Trinity shwes me a alt+ctrl+del before the login. Really? a windows-alike? Please:
- How to deactivate (kinda silly on a single notebook)
Kmenu>Settings>System Administration>Login Manager
Uncheck "Enable Secure Attention Key"
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On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Frank Lienhard frank@mclien.de wrote:
THX,
You are more than welcome. I was so very happy to find it myself.
and sorry for the little over react on 2) (comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
It's ok, you're not the first. :^)
I certainly over reacted a bit myself when I first saw it, verbally anyway. :^)
Curt-
and sorry for the little over react on 2) (comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
It's ok, you're not the first. :^)
I certainly over reacted a bit myself when I first saw it, verbally anyway. :^)
even more because the windows-likelyness was a main reason to abandon KDE4..
On Sunday 01 of September 2013 20:18:57 Frank Lienhard wrote:
and sorry for the little over react on 2) (comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
It's ok, you're not the first. :^)
I certainly over reacted a bit myself when I first saw it, verbally anyway. :^)
even more because the windows-likelyness was a main reason to abandon KDE4..
I fully understand. Ctrl+Alt+Del (ie SAK) is the first thing that I also turn off. :)
Slavek --
On 09/01/2013 01:36 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
I fully understand. Ctrl+Alt+Del (ie SAK) is the first thing that I
also turn off. :) <
I myself had a bit of a double-take when I first saw that.
Would it be practical for us to add enabling/disabling of this and a few other things into the setup menu whose name escapes me at the moment that pops up on new installs?
Strangelv, who's been a bit too detoured all year to participate much
On 09/01/2013 01:36 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
I fully understand. Ctrl+Alt+Del (ie SAK) is the first thing that I
also turn off. :) <
I myself had a bit of a double-take when I first saw that.
Would it be practical for us to add enabling/disabling of this and a few other things into the setup menu whose name escapes me at the moment that pops up on new installs?
Strangelv, who's been a bit too detoured all year to participate much
It could possibly be added to kpersonalizer, but would need administrative privileges to change.
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
It really is up to you as to whether or not login spoofing is a concern on your machine, but I work with multi-user systems in a large environment where login spoofing is a definite concern. Therefore, NOT having an SAK option is a blocker that would actually force the use of Windows clients.
Just my $0.02. :-)
Tim
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
Thanks for that
It really is up to you as to whether or not login spoofing is a concern on your machine, but I work with multi-user systems in a large environment where login spoofing is a definite concern. Therefore, NOT having an SAK option is a blocker that would actually force the use of Windows clients.
OK, understood. So at my little private network that is no thread.
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain? And a text modification, which hints to the "information, why" and the "way to deactivate, if save"..
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
Thanks for that
It really is up to you as to whether or not login spoofing is a concern on your machine, but I work with multi-user systems in a large environment where login spoofing is a definite concern. Therefore, NOT having an SAK option is a blocker that would actually force the use of Windows clients.
OK, understood. So at my little private network that is no thread.
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
What would you suggest? We should be careful of changing this just so that it is different from Windows though, as it not only introduces confusion in users who need to use both systems, but also smacks of "Not Invented Here" syndrome. :-)
And a text modification, which hints to the "information, why" and the "way to deactivate, if save"..
This is a good idea. There seems to be a lot of user confusion over the role of the SAK in system security, and this should be addressed somewhere in the control center or other configuration dialog(s).
Tim
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
What would you suggest? We should be careful of changing this just so that it is different from Windows though, as it not only introduces confusion in users who need to use both systems, but also smacks of "Not Invented Here" syndrome. :-)
And a text modification, which hints to the "information, why" and the "way to deactivate, if save"..
This is a good idea. There seems to be a lot of user confusion over the role of the SAK in system security, and this should be addressed somewhere in the control center or other configuration dialog(s).
What about to hadle it all in the first setup run (setup wizard was the name?) by adding a dialoge, which offers 1. extra information button (which explains the use and maybe some sort of save to deaktivate, if your whole users in the network are trusted ones?) and 2. a radio Button for the "style" unix or win (there was a sgi combination for the x-server reset, alt+backspace+f12 or something.)
On 02/09/13 05:22, Frank Lienhard wrote:
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
[...]
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
Oh come now. Windows uses the spacebar to insert spaces, do you configure your machine to map the spacebar to another character and use C-M-y to insert spaces, just to avoid using the same keys as Windows?
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:13:55 +1000 Steven D'Aprano steve@pearwood.info wrote:
On 02/09/13 05:22, Frank Lienhard wrote:
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
[...]
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
Oh come now. Windows uses the spacebar to insert spaces, do you configure your machine to map the spacebar to another character and use C-M-y to insert spaces, just to avoid using the same keys as Windows?
Not at all, baybe I should have got that clearer: I understand that in some env there is a use of the SAK. So first was the annoyance to be "forced by default" to use it. And the other is more the "Is it really important to have to use both hands, just because someone selected these keys". In some cases it could be nice to be able to use just one hand (e.g. I broke mine a while ago, not to mention disabled).
BTW: the spacebar analogy don't fit (WIN does't invented that and I indeed alter my keyboard a lot: get rid of CAPS_LOCK and use it for some extra characters, use the noe Layout etc..)
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