1 Sep
2013
1 Sep
'13
4:27 p.m.
Hi List,
the newly installed Trinity shwes me a alt+ctrl+del before the login.
Really? a windows-alike?
Please:
1) How to deactivate (kinda silly on a single notebook)
2) use! another! key! combination!
mclien
1 Sep
1 Sep
4:44 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Frank Lienhard <frank(a)mclien.de> wrote:
the newly installed Trinity shwes me a alt+ctrl+del
before the login.
Really? a windows-alike?
Please:
1) How to deactivate (kinda silly on a single notebook)
Kmenu>Settings>System Administration>Login Manager
Uncheck "Enable Secure Attention Key"
4:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
THX,
and sorry for the little over react on 2)
(comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Frank Lienhard
<frank(a)mclien.de> wrote:
--
Frank Lienhard <frank(a)mclien.de>
the newly installed Trinity shwes me a
alt+ctrl+del before the login.
Really? a windows-alike?
Please:
1) How to deactivate (kinda silly on a single notebook)
Kmenu>Settings>System Administration>Login Manager
Uncheck "Enable Secure Attention Key"
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5:10 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On Sun, Sep 1, 2013 at 12:59 PM, Frank Lienhard <frank(a)mclien.de> wrote:
THX,
You are more than welcome. I was so very happy to find it myself.
and sorry for the little over react on 2)
(comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
It's ok, you're not the first. :^)
I certainly over reacted a bit myself when I first saw it, verbally anyway. :^)
Curt-
6:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
and sorry for the little over react on 2)
(comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I guess..)
It's ok, you're not the first. :^)
I certainly over reacted a bit myself when I first saw it, verbally anyway. :^)
6:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On Sunday 01 of September 2013 20:18:57 Frank Lienhard wrote:
even more because the windows-likelyness was a main reason to abandon
KDE4..
I fully understand. Ctrl+Alt+Del (ie SAK) is the first thing that I also
turn off. :)
Slavek
--
and sorry for the little over react on 2)
(comes from my burdon to be forced to use win-computers at work, I
guess..)
It's ok, you're not the first. :^)
I certainly over reacted a bit myself when I first saw it, verbally
anyway. :^) 
6:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On 09/01/2013 01:36 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
I fully understand. Ctrl+Alt+Del (ie SAK) is the first
thing that I
also turn off. :) <
I myself had a bit of a double-take when I first saw that.
Would it be practical for us to add enabling/disabling of this and a few
other things into the setup menu whose name escapes me at the moment
that pops up on new installs?
Strangelv, who's been a bit too detoured all year to participate much
7:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On 09/01/2013 01:36 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
It could possibly be added to kpersonalizer, but would need administrative
privileges to change.
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
It really is up to you as to whether or not login spoofing is a concern on
your machine, but I work with multi-user systems in a large environment
where login spoofing is a definite concern. Therefore, NOT having an SAK
option is a blocker that would actually force the use of Windows clients.
Just my $0.02. :-)
Tim
I fully understand. Ctrl+Alt+Del (ie SAK) is the
first thing that I
also turn off. :) <
I myself had a bit of a double-take when I first saw that.
Would it be practical for us to add enabling/disabling of this and a few
other things into the setup menu whose name escapes me at the moment
that pops up on new installs?
Strangelv, who's been a bit too detoured all year to participate much
7:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
Thanks for that
It really is up to you as to whether or not login
spoofing is a concern on
your machine, but I work with multi-user systems in a large environment
where login spoofing is a definite concern. Therefore, NOT having an SAK
option is a blocker that would actually force the use of Windows clients.
OK, understood. So at my little private network that is no thread.
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more
UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
And a text modification, which hints to the "information, why" and the "way
to deactivate, if save"..
10:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
Thanks for that
It really is up to you as to whether or not login
spoofing is a concern
on
your machine, but I work with multi-user systems in a large environment
where login spoofing is a definite concern. Therefore, NOT having an
SAK
option is a blocker that would actually force the use of Windows
clients.
OK, understood. So at my little private network that is no thread.
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe
a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain? And a text modification, which hints to the
"information, why" and the
"way to deactivate, if save"..
This is a good idea. There seems to be a lot of user confusion over the
role of the SAK in system security, and this should be addressed somewhere
in the control center or other configuration dialog(s).
Tim
2 Sep
2 Sep
4:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same keys" (at least to me). Maybe
a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
What would you suggest? We should be careful of changing this just so
that it is different from Windows though, as it not only introduces
confusion in users who need to use both systems, but also smacks of "Not
Invented Here" syndrome. :-)
And a text modification, which hints to the
"information, why" and the
"way to deactivate, if save"..
This is a good idea. There seems to be a lot of user confusion over the
role of the SAK in system security, and this should be addressed somewhere
in the control center or other configuration dialog(s).
12:13 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On 02/09/13 05:22, Frank Lienhard wrote:
>
> For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
[...]
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same
keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
Oh come now. Windows uses the spacebar to insert spaces, do you configure your machine to
map the spacebar to another character and use C-M-y to insert spaces, just to avoid using
the same keys as Windows?
--
Steven
4:59 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] alt+ctrl+del ? seriously?
On Mon, 02 Sep 2013 10:13:55 +1000
Steven D'Aprano <steve(a)pearwood.info> wrote:
On 02/09/13 05:22, Frank Lienhard wrote:
Not at all, baybe I should have got that clearer: I understand that in some env
there is a use of the SAK. So first was the annoyance to be "forced by default"
to use it. And the other is more the "Is it really important to have to use both
hands, just because someone selected these keys". In some cases it could be nice to
be able to use just one hand (e.g. I broke mine a while ago, not to mention disabled).
BTW: the spacebar analogy don't fit (WIN does't invented that and I indeed alter
my keyboard a lot: get rid of CAPS_LOCK and use it for some extra characters, use the noe
Layout etc..)
>
> For all those deactivating SAK, please give this a quick read:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_attention_key
[...]
I think the biggest annoyance was "the same
keys" (at least to me). Maybe a more UNIX like combination will ease the pain?
Oh come now. Windows uses the spacebar to insert spaces, do you configure your machine to
map the spacebar to another character and use C-M-y to insert spaces, just to avoid using
the same keys as Windows?
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