Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
On Friday 27 November 2020 10:27:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 27 Nov 10:55:10 -0500 Gene Heskett via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 27 November 2020 10:27:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Definitly. I'm a bit worried about the "asc" without controls and the "mute-mic-led" beeing utter useless while the "mute-speaker-led" works as expected. Guess why? BTW, my smartphone is a Siemens C55. The smartest thing it can do is turning itself off at 10:00 pm :)
Nik
On Friday 27 November 2020 11:24:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 27 Nov 10:55:10 -0500
Gene Heskett via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 27 November 2020 10:27:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
Definitly. I'm a bit worried about the "asc" without controls and the "mute-mic-led" beeing utter useless while the "mute-speaker-led" works as expected. Guess why? BTW, my smartphone is a Siemens C55. The smartest thing it can do is turning itself off at 10:00 pm :)
Nik
My tracfone wasn't even that smart, but I found it turned on and listening 3 times in about a month. The only clue was a low level beep when the battery was about done. Since I wasn't married to it, I let the battery run down and now the sim card has been expired for about 2 years. My wife of 31 years next week, has its twin I do keep paid up so she can stay in touch at the rest home where she is in the hospice program from COPD. The first time I found it live I thought I had forgotten to turn it off, so I started logging it, 2nd time I had turned it off an hour prior. 3rd time I said to hell with it, cuz the only thing they might hear is me muttering to myself. I am living alone, and my muttering is definitely NSFW.
Take care, stay safe and well Nik.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism: "Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones" https://puri.sm/
Leslie --
On Saturday 28 November 2020 01:32:36 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism: "Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones" https://puri.sm/
Leslie
Maybe, but at $100/mo, I'd have to have at least 50x the need for it. I'll do w/o at that price. $100/yr for a tracfone I could almost justify. Almost. But I value my privacy enough theres over 100 entry's in the amazon call blocker, of numbers that never ring my home phone again. Most are political or nuisance fundraisers. And war dialers, if there's nobody there when I say hello, the big red button gets pushed. Come the revolution, we're gonna need a longer wall. :-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On Saturday 28 November 2020 00:06:02 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 28 November 2020 01:32:36 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism: "Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones" https://puri.sm/
Leslie
Maybe, but at $100/mo, I'd have to have at least 50x the need for it. I'll do w/o at that price. $100/yr for a tracfone I could almost justify. Almost. But I value my privacy enough theres over 100 entry's in the amazon call blocker, of numbers that never ring my home phone again. Most are political or nuisance fundraisers. And war dialers, if there's nobody there when I say hello, the big red button gets pushed. Come the revolution, we're gonna need a longer wall. :-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
What about a Pine Phone? I have *almost* bought one now, on a few occasions, but back off again, as I don't use a phone too much any more at all, though it is still necessary to have one (especially a mobile phone, for reasons of occasional travel, etc.).
I do hate these smartphones, but at the same time, I now use mine more often as a music player, calculator, calendar, alarm clock, and so on -- much more than I ever use it as a phone.
When I have time and inclination to root my smartphone, then at least I'll feel slightly more "secure" or maybe a little more "private" (but those are not really accurate terms ...); but then again, like Gene, I don't use a phone enough to justify all that effort.
Unless eating and breathing become suspicious activities, I can't really see how knowing my location and activities could possibly be of interest to any 3-letter govt agencies. Then again ... if I know enough to ask questions, then I must know too much.
Bill
On Saturday 28 November 2020 03:54:37 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 28 November 2020 00:06:02 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 28 November 2020 01:32:36 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism: "Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones" https://puri.sm/
Leslie
Maybe, but at $100/mo, I'd have to have at least 50x the need for it. I'll do w/o at that price. $100/yr for a tracfone I could almost justify. Almost. But I value my privacy enough theres over 100 entry's in the amazon call blocker, of numbers that never ring my home phone again. Most are political or nuisance fundraisers. And war dialers, if there's nobody there when I say hello, the big red button gets pushed. Come the revolution, we're gonna need a longer wall. :-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
What about a Pine Phone? I have *almost* bought one now, on a few occasions, but back off again, as I don't use a phone too much any more at all, though it is still necessary to have one (especially a mobile phone, for reasons of occasional travel, etc.).
I do hate these smartphones, but at the same time, I now use mine more often as a music player, calculator, calendar, alarm clock, and so on -- much more than I ever use it as a phone.
When I have time and inclination to root my smartphone, then at least I'll feel slightly more "secure" or maybe a little more "private" (but those are not really accurate terms ...); but then again, like Gene, I don't use a phone enough to justify all that effort.
Unless eating and breathing become suspicious activities, I can't really see how knowing my location and activities could possibly be of interest to any 3-letter govt agencies. Then again ... if I know enough to ask questions, then I must know too much.
Bill
You are getting schmardter Bill.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
On 2020/11/28 12:27 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Hi Nik, can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
Cheers Michele
Hi Michaele!
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 28 Nov 11:03:26 +0900 Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
On 2020/11/28 12:27 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Hi Nik, can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Nik
Cheers Michele
Hi Nik, can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Thanks Nik. The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your screenshot. As far as my memory goes, kmix lists through the available channels, so not finding any could be the reason why acp does not show up in kmix at all.
Cheers Michele
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Dec 10:39:30 +0900 Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
Hi Nik, can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Thanks Nik. The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your screenshot. As far as my memory goes, kmix lists through the available channels, so not finding any could be the reason why acp does not show up in kmix at all.
I guess I'll have to wait then till the kernel driver offers something in this respect ;)
Nik
Cheers Michele
On 2020/12/05 05:36 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Dec 10:39:30 +0900 Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
Hi Nik, can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Thanks Nik. The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your screenshot. As far as my memory goes, kmix lists through the available channels, so not finding any could be the reason why acp does not show up in kmix at all.
I guess I'll have to wait then till the kernel driver offers something in this respect ;)
Or until we find the time to patch kmix to consider a similar scenario :-) Perhaps worth you register an Issue in TGW for future reference.
Cheers Michele
On 12/4/20 11:18 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/05 05:36 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Dec 10:39:30 +0900 Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
Hi Nik, can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Thanks Nik. The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your screenshot. As far as my memory goes, kmix lists through the available channels, so not finding any could be the reason why acp does not show up in kmix at all.
I guess I'll have to wait then till the kernel driver offers something in this respect ;)
Or until we find the time to patch kmix to consider a similar scenario :-) Perhaps worth you register an Issue in TGW for future reference.
Cheers Michele
I found some info dated 10 years ago, regarding KMix microphone controls. Assuming nothing has changed since then, the microphone options shown in Kmix, are coming from the driver of the sound card.
Reference: https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/meaning-of-kmix-m...
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