27 Nov
2020
27 Nov
'20
3:27 p.m.
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the
speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the
led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback
device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any
controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED
but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees
hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that
"asc" mic?
Nik
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27 Nov
27 Nov
3:55 p.m.
On Friday 27 November 2020 10:27:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and
are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks
like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And
there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from
PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without
any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led -
I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture
sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there
a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never
had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for
the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen
remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more
problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
4:24 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 27 Nov 10:55:10 -0500
Gene Heskett via tde-users scripsit:
On Friday 27 November 2020 10:27:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
Definitly. I'm a bit worried about the "asc" without controls and the
"mute-mic-led" beeing utter useless while the "mute-speaker-led" works
as expected. Guess why? BTW, my smartphone is a Siemens C55. The smartest thing it can do
is turning itself off at 10:00 pm :)
Nik
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Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and
are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks
like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the speaker). And
there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback device from
PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without
any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led -
I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture
sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there
a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've never
had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for
the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen
remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more
problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
9:30 p.m.
On Friday 27 November 2020 11:24:10 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 27 Nov 10:55:10 -0500
Gene Heskett via tde-users scripsit:
My tracfone wasn't even that smart, but I found it turned on and
listening 3 times in about a month. The only clue was a low level beep
when the battery was about done. Since I wasn't married to it, I let the
battery run down and now the sim card has been expired for about 2
years. My wife of 31 years next week, has its twin I do keep paid up so
she can stay in touch at the rest home where she is in the hospice
program from COPD. The first time I found it live I thought I had
forgotten to turn it off, so I started logging it, 2nd time I had turned
it off an hour prior. 3rd time I said to hell with it, cuz the only
thing they might hear is me muttering to myself. I am living alone, and
my muttering is definitely NSFW.
Take care, stay safe and well Nik.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Friday 27 November 2020 10:27:10 Dr. Nikolaus
Klepp wrote:
Definitly. I'm a bit worried about the "asc" without controls and the
"mute-mic-led" beeing utter useless while the "mute-speaker-led"
works
as expected. Guess why? BTW, my smartphone is a Siemens C55. The
smartest thing it can do is turning itself off at 10:00 pm :)
Nik Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0
and are linked to the speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute -
looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the led toggles the
speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a
loopback device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor
attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc"
without any controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from
the mic led - I can toggle the LED but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot
capture sound. Audacity sees hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record
sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that "asc" mic?
Nik
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of the reasons I've
never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone
battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be
turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a
year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett 
28 Nov
28 Nov
6:32 a.m.
New subject: [users] TDE, ALSA and a seperate mic ...
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just one of
the reasons I've never
had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone battery life for
the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be turned on to listen
remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a year back. No more
problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism:
"Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones"
https://puri.sm/
Leslie
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8:06 a.m.
New subject: [users] TDE, ALSA and a seperate mic ...
On Saturday 28 November 2020 01:32:36 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users
wrote:
Maybe, but at $100/mo, I'd have to have at least 50x the need for it.
I'll do w/o at that price. $100/yr for a tracfone I could almost
justify. Almost. But I value my privacy enough theres over 100 entry's
in the amazon call blocker, of numbers that never ring my home phone
again. Most are political or nuisance fundraisers. And war dialers, if
there's nobody there when I say hello, the big red button gets pushed.
Come the revolution, we're gonna need a longer wall. :-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just
one of the reasons I've
never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone
battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be
turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a
year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism:
"Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones"
https://puri.sm/
Leslie 
8:54 a.m.
New subject: [users] TDE, ALSA and a seperate mic ...
On Saturday 28 November 2020 00:06:02 Gene Heskett via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 28 November 2020 01:32:36 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
What about a Pine Phone? I have *almost* bought one now, on a few occasions,
but back off again, as I don't use a phone too much any more at all, though
it is still necessary to have one (especially a mobile phone, for reasons of
occasional travel, etc.).
I do hate these smartphones, but at the same time, I now use mine more often
as a music player, calculator, calendar, alarm clock, and so on -- much more
than I ever use it as a phone.
When I have time and inclination to root my smartphone, then at least I'll
feel slightly more "secure" or maybe a little more "private" (but
those are
not really accurate terms ...); but then again, like Gene, I don't use a
phone enough to justify all that effort.
Unless eating and breathing become suspicious activities, I can't really see
how knowing my location and activities could possibly be of interest to any
3-letter govt agencies. Then again ... if I know enough to ask questions,
then I must know too much.
Bill
On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users
wrote:
Maybe, but at $100/mo, I'd have to have at least 50x the need for it.
I'll do w/o at that price. $100/yr for a tracfone I could almost
justify. Almost. But I value my privacy enough theres over 100 entry's
in the amazon call blocker, of numbers that never ring my home phone
again. Most are political or nuisance fundraisers. And war dialers, if
there's nobody there when I say hello, the big red button gets pushed.
Come the revolution, we're gonna need a longer wall. :-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just
one of the reasons I've
never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell phone
battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone can be
turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to expire a
year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism:
"Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones"
https://puri.sm/
Leslie
10:18 a.m.
New subject: [users] TDE, ALSA and a seperate mic ...
On Saturday 28 November 2020 03:54:37 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 28 November 2020 00:06:02 Gene Heskett via
tde-users wrote:
You are getting schmardter Bill.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/gene>
On Saturday 28 November 2020 01:32:36 J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
What about a Pine Phone? I have *almost* bought one now, on a few
occasions, but back off again, as I don't use a phone too much any
more at all, though it is still necessary to have one (especially a
mobile phone, for reasons of occasional travel, etc.).
I do hate these smartphones, but at the same time, I now use mine more
often as a music player, calculator, calendar, alarm clock, and so on
-- much more than I ever use it as a phone.
When I have time and inclination to root my smartphone, then at least
I'll feel slightly more "secure" or maybe a little more "private"
(but
those are not really accurate terms ...); but then again, like Gene, I
don't use a phone enough to justify all that effort.
Unless eating and breathing become suspicious activities, I can't
really see how knowing my location and activities could possibly be of
interest to any 3-letter govt agencies. Then again ... if I know
enough to ask questions, then I must know too much.
Bill On 2020-11-27 09:55:10 Gene Heskett via tde-users
wrote:
Maybe, but at $100/mo, I'd have to have at least 50x the need for
it. I'll do w/o at that price. $100/yr for a tracfone I could almost
justify. Almost. But I value my privacy enough theres over 100
entry's in the amazon call blocker, of numbers that never ring my
home phone again. Most are political or nuisance fundraisers. And
war dialers, if there's nobody there when I say hello, the big red
button gets pushed. Come the revolution, we're gonna need a longer
wall. :-)
Cheers, Gene Heskett Those 3 letter agency's will luv that. Just
one of the reasons
I've never had a mic cable in the same room. Watch your cell
phone battery life for the same reason, even this cheap trakfone
can be turned on to listen remotely. So its card was allowed to
expire a year back. No more problem.
Cheers, Gene Heskett
You might be interested in these products from Purism:
"Beautiful, Secure, Privacy-Respecting Laptops & Phones"
https://puri.sm/
Leslie 
2:03 a.m.
On 2020/11/28 12:27 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the
speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the
led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback
device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any
controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED
but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees
hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that
"asc" mic?
Nik
Hi Nik,
can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
Cheers
Michele
30 Nov
30 Nov
12:29 p.m.
Hi Michaele!
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 28 Nov 11:03:26 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
On 2020/11/28 12:27 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Nik
Hi all!
I've an interesting problem: On my T14 the speakers are on hw:0 and are linked to the
speaker-led (led on: mute, led-off: unmute - looks like a hardware thingie as toggling the
led toggles the speaker). And there's a ghost-mic on hw:0 that looks like a loopback
device from PCM-out to sound-input.
HDMI is on hw:1 and does nothing useful (no HDMI monitor attached).
The onboard mic is hw:2,0 - it's offically recognised as "asc" without any
controls (not even on/off). It's also detached from the mic led - I can toggle the LED
but the mic stays on.
Now kmix sees hw:0 and hw:1, but not hw:2 - and krec cannot capture sound. Audacity sees
hw:0 + hw:1 + hw:2 and can record sound. Is there a trick to make TDE aware of that
"asc" mic?
Nik
Hi Nik,
can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
Cheers
Michele
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4 Dec
4 Dec
1:39 a.m.
Hi Nik,
can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
8:36 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Dec 10:39:30 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
Thanks Nik.
The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your screenshot. As far as my
memory goes, kmix lists
through the available channels, so not finding any could be the reason why acp does not
show up in kmix at all.
I guess I'll have to wait then till the kernel driver offers something in this respect
;)
Nik
Hi Nik,
can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Cheers
Michele
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5 Dec
5 Dec
4:18 a.m.
On 2020/12/05 05:36 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Dec 10:39:30 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
Thanks Nik.
The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your screenshot. As far as my
memory goes, kmix lists
through the available channels, so not finding any could be the reason why acp does not
show up in kmix at all.
I guess I'll have to wait then till the kernel driver offers something in this
respect ;)
Or until we find the time to patch kmix to consider a similar scenario :-)
Perhaps worth you register an Issue in TGW for future reference.
Cheers
Michele
Hi Nik,
can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
1:22 p.m.
On 12/4/20 11:18 PM, Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2020/12/05 05:36 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I found some info dated 10 years ago, regarding KMix microphone
controls. Assuming nothing has changed since then, the microphone
options shown in Kmix, are coming from the driver of the sound card.
Reference:
https://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/meaning-of-kmix-…
Anno domini 2020 Fri, 4 Dec 10:39:30 +0900
Michele Calgaro via tde-users scripsit:
I guess I'll have to wait then till the kernel driver offers
something in this respect ;)
Or until we find the time to patch kmix to consider a similar scenario
:-)
Perhaps worth you register an Issue in TGW for future reference.
Cheers
Michele
>
> Hi Nik,
> can you let us know what channels do you see in alsamixer? And
> which TDE version?
See the attached screenshots: alsamixer sees 3 devices, kmix sees 2.
Thanks Nik.
The acp microphone has no channel associated with it as per your
screenshot. As far as my memory goes, kmix lists
through the available channels, so not finding any could be the
reason why acp does not show up in kmix at all.
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