9 Oct
2017
9 Oct
'17
10:38 a.m.
Hi all!
I'm using FVWM togather with TDE applications on FreeBSD. Things work quite nice for
some months now (thanks Slavec!). There is just one thing I could not figure out:
When starting a full TDE session with "starttde", then klicking on a *.pdf in
kmail starts kpdf. "kcontrol" start with all modules.
When I start kmail without "starttde" - from xterm under fvwm for example - then
klicking on a *.pdf in kmail results in a dialog popping up ("What application
..."). "kcontrol" starts with an empty splitscreen window, no modules
visible.
I took a look into tdeinit, but I obviousely missed a vital part. This is what I tried:
$ TDE_FULL_SESSION=false
$ TDEHOME=$HOME/.trinity
$ TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
$ TDE_SESSION_UID=$UID
$ TDE_MULTIHEAD=false
$ TDEDIR=/opt/trinity
$ tdeinit_shutdown
$ tdeinit
$ kmail
Now there is something missing, as klicking on a *.pdf does not open kpdf. When I start
"starttde" with fvwm running, then the whole tde session is restored including
panels, kdesktop etc., which is what I do not want in this environment.
So, any idea what I could do to get kmail working whithout "starttde"?
Nik
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9 Oct
9 Oct
12:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
Hi Nikolaus,
I'd like to second that question.
On Monday 09 October 2017, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
I'm using FVWM togather with TDE applications on
FreeBSD. Things work quite
nice for some months now (thanks Slavec!). There is just one thing I could
not figure out:
I use TDE applications in a Mint / Mate environment (wasn't
able to get all the
power saving, network management and battery monitor utilities run successfully
under TDE with my new laptop, otherwise a long and satisfied TDE user here).
When I start kmail without "starttde" - from
xterm under fvwm for example -
then klicking on a *.pdf in kmail results in a dialog popping up ("What
application ..."). "kcontrol" starts with an empty splitscreen window, no
modules visible.
Same for me starting TDE applications. Not only Kmail asks for the
kind of
program to be used to open any application. Even Konqueror asks for it when
adviced to open something in an external window. It opens PDF, PNG and others
fine in its internal viewer though.
I can search for an application and tell Konqueror to remember that application
for that file type but -- unfortunately it gets not remembered next time.
I also am looking forward to how to solve the problem. Might it be also linked
to the bug 2713 Slávek wrote about in a former mail?
Any hint is highly appreciated
Gerhard
2:42 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: FVWM & TDE
Am Montag, 9. Oktober 2017 schrieb deloptes:
Gerhard Zintel wrote:
Sorry, this is not the solution - otherwise if TDE were started with "starttde",
kmail/conqueror/... would show the same missing functionality as when run from fvwm, but
this is not the case.
nik
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I also am looking forward to how to solve the
problem. Might it be also
linked to the bug 2713 Slávek wrote about in a former mail?
Any hint is highly appreciated
Can you try with one of the versions suggested in the bug 2713? 
11:28 p.m.
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Sorry, this is not the solution - otherwise if TDE
were started with
"starttde", kmail/conqueror/... would show the same missing functionality
as when run from fvwm, but this is not the case.
The context is not about kmail and konqueror, but about mime and filetype
issue.
5:50 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 21:43:47 +0200
Gerhard Zintel <gerhard.zintel(a)mrs-thomas.de> wrote:
It sounds to me like KMail etc. are failing to find a list of associations between
mimetypes and applications, but I'm not sure where that information is stored (I
do seem to remember than KDE3 did not follow the standard for storing that
information that's now used by most desktops--did we ever update?)
E. Liddell
On Monday 09 October 2017, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
When I start
kmail without "starttde" - from xterm under fvwm for example -
then klicking on a *.pdf in kmail results in a dialog popping up ("What
application ..."). "kcontrol" starts with an empty splitscreen window, no
modules visible.
Same for me starting TDE applications. Not only Kmail asks for
the kind of
program to be used to open any application. Even Konqueror asks for it when
adviced to open something in an external window. It opens PDF, PNG and others
fine in its internal viewer though. 
7:07 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
On Monday 09 October 2017 04:50:18 pm E. Liddell wrote:
On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 21:43:47 +0200
Gerhard Zintel <gerhard.zintel(a)mrs-thomas.de> wrote:
My issue is different but what I have found that might be relevant:
https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
When TDE starts up normal as the default DE, lots of "declare -x XDG_=*"
Trinity "stuff" gets set. Check your export command and compare the
difference for a TDE session and a FVWM session.
greg
On Monday 09 October 2017, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
It sounds to me like KMail etc. are failing to find a list of associations
between mimetypes and applications, but I'm not sure where that information
is stored (I do seem to remember than KDE3 did not follow the standard for
storing that information that's now used by most desktops--did we ever
update
E. Liddell
When I start kmail without "starttde" -
from xterm under fvwm for
example - then klicking on a *.pdf in kmail results in a dialog popping
up ("What application ..."). "kcontrol" starts with an empty
splitscreen window, no modules visible.
Same for me starting TDE applications. Not only Kmail asks for the kind
of program to be used to open any application. Even Konqueror asks for it
when adviced to open something in an external window. It opens PDF, PNG
and others fine in its internal viewer though.
11:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
Am Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2017 schrieb Greg Madden:
On Monday 09 October 2017 04:50:18 pm E. Liddell wrote:
Greg, that solved the issue :-)
The solution looks like this: In .xinitrc (or whatever you use to start your DE), I put
these lines:
export TDE_FULL_SESSION=false
export TDEHOME=$HOME/.trinity
export TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
export TDE_SESSION_UID=$UID
export TDE_MULTIHEAD=false
export TDEDIR=/opt/trinity
export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/opt/trinity/etc/xdg
export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/trinity/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
tdeinit_shutdown
tdeinit
# start whatever WM you need
fvwm
Now "kcontrol" comes up with all modules, clicking on *.pdf in "kmail"
brings up kpdf, "konqueror" works as expected :-)
Nik
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On Mon, 9 Oct 2017 21:43:47 +0200
Gerhard Zintel <gerhard.zintel(a)mrs-thomas.de> wrote:
My issue is different but what I have found that might be relevant:
https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.html
When TDE starts up normal as the default DE, lots of "declare -x XDG_=*"
Trinity "stuff" gets set. Check your export command and compare the
difference for a TDE session and a FVWM session. On Monday 09 October 2017, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
It sounds to me like KMail etc. are failing to find a list of associations
between mimetypes and applications, but I'm not sure where that information
is stored (I do seem to remember than KDE3 did not follow the standard for
storing that information that's now used by most desktops--did we ever
update
E. Liddell
When I start kmail without "starttde" -
from xterm under fvwm for
example - then klicking on a *.pdf in kmail results in a dialog popping
up ("What application ..."). "kcontrol" starts with an empty
splitscreen window, no modules visible.
Same for me starting TDE applications. Not only Kmail asks for the kind
of program to be used to open any application. Even Konqueror asks for it
when adviced to open something in an external window. It opens PDF, PNG
and others fine in its internal viewer though. 
11:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp composed on 2017-10-10 08:36 (UTC+0200):
export TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
Now "kcontrol" comes up with all modules,
clicking on *.pdf in "kmail" brings up kpdf, "konqueror" works as
expected :-)
Are you sure about that? That directory shouldn't even exist, unless
you have run a TDE session logged in as root. I have to think it should
be /opt/tde if that's where the package manager installed TDE, or in
/etc/trinity.
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10 Oct
10 Oct
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New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
Am Dienstag, 10. Oktober 2017 schrieb Felix Miata:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp composed on 2017-10-10 08:36
(UTC+0200):
Interesting question. Both - on FreeBSD and Devuan - "env|grep TDEROOTHOME"
gives
TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
I am under the impression, that this directory is used for settings done in
systemadministration mode of kcontrol - as far as these settings do not go to /etc/
Nik
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export TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
Now "kcontrol" comes up with all
modules, clicking on *.pdf in "kmail" brings up kpdf, "konqueror"
works as expected :-)
Are you sure about that? That directory shouldn't even exist, unless
you have run a TDE session logged in as root. I have to think it should
be /opt/tde if that's where the package manager installed TDE, or in
/etc/trinity. 
1:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 10/10/2017 01:00 AM:
Interesting question. Both - on FreeBSD and Devuan -
"env|grep TDEROOTHOME" gives
TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
FYI, it's the same on pure stable debian.
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4:32 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] FVWM & TDE
On Tuesday 10 October 2017, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Wow, finally it solved it also for me (using Mate as my DE). I had to fiddle
around with the contents of the file a bit not to change the normal look of my
desktop. Here is what I put into my .xprofile (for the record).
export TDE_FULL_SESSION=false
export TDEHOME=$HOME/.trinity
export TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
export TDE_SESSION_UID=$UID
export TDE_MULTIHEAD=false
export TDEDIR=/opt/trinity
export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/etc/xdg/xdg-mate:/etc/xdg:/opt/trinity/etc/xdg
export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/usr/share/mate:/usr/local/share/:/usr/share/:\\
/usr/share/mdm/:/opt/trinity/share
tdeinit_shutdown
tdeinit
I'm very thankful that you pointed that out Nikolaus and to all the others who
helped.
Gerhard
My issue is different but what I have found that might be relevant:
https://specifications.freedesktop.org/basedir-spec/basedir-spec-latest.h
tml
When TDE starts up normal as the default DE, lots of "declare -x XDG_=*"
Trinity "stuff" gets set. Check your export command and compare the
difference for a TDE session and a FVWM session.
Greg, that solved the issue :-)
The solution looks like this: In .xinitrc (or whatever you use to start
your DE), I put these lines:
export TDE_FULL_SESSION=false
export TDEHOME=$HOME/.trinity
export TDEROOTHOME=/root/.trinity
export TDE_SESSION_UID=$UID
export TDE_MULTIHEAD=false
export TDEDIR=/opt/trinity
export XDG_CONFIG_DIRS=/opt/trinity/etc/xdg
export XDG_DATA_DIRS=/opt/trinity/share:/usr/local/share:/usr/share
tdeinit_shutdown
tdeinit
# start whatever WM you need
fvwm
Now "kcontrol" comes up with all modules, clicking on *.pdf in
"kmail"
brings up kpdf, "konqueror" works as expected :-)
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