HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system? Robert
Hi Robert, There are some options for this. Just keep in mind that not all Android phones are supported. The most functional ones are LineageOS and UBPorts. KDE Plasma Mobile is also an option. There are others out there, but I'd consider these to be the best options. It also depends on how you want to use you GNU?Linux phone. If you don't need to make voice calls with your phone, PostmarketOS supports a lot of phones. Skal!
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Anno domini 2019 Fri, 29 Nov 12:51:10 -0800 Robert Peters scripsit:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system?
LinageOS?
But whatever you do, it won't make the phone more usable or more "secure", as there are hardwired backdoors.
Nik
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS" uses a Linux kernel, but it can also use Android apps. It's more like an improved version of Android than a GNU/Linux distro customized to work on a phone. Some of these operating systems are more usable than Android, but I agree that there are still problems with hardwired backdoors in the phone hardware itself.
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Anno domini 2019 Fri, 29 Nov 12:51:10 -0800 Robert Peters scripsit:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system?
LinageOS?
But whatever you do, it won't make the phone more usable or more "secure", as there are hardwired backdoors.
Nik
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Anno domini 2019 Fri, 29 Nov 14:04:58 -0800 elcaseti . scripsit:
"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LineageOS" uses a Linux kernel, but it can also use Android apps. It's more like an improved version of Android than a GNU/Linux distro customized to work on a phone. Some of these operating systems are more usable than Android, but I agree that there are still problems with hardwired backdoors in the phone hardware itself.
My dearest backdoor is the jtag wired from the "application processor" to the "modem" on samsung galaxy note II, so that "modem" can "debug" application :)
Nik
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Anno domini 2019 Fri, 29 Nov 12:51:10 -0800 Robert Peters scripsit:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system?
LinageOS?
But whatever you do, it won't make the phone more usable or more "secure", as there are hardwired backdoors.
Nik
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I'm setting up a linux box to use with a smart tv using a closed network. I also want to be able to use me phone (android kernel 4.9.112) with the tv (samsung 2019 model). Anyone know of a screen mirroring /casting apps for android phone that are FOSS/GPL and safe to use (as in spyware free). If the apps as a linux OS counterpart that would be a plus.
Thanks in advance your help and patience,
Kate The Great and Terrible.
Robert Peters wrote:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system? Robert
I was using Nokia N9 before - the only linux based phone created ever and working perfectly for many years. From the project emerged Mer, Jolla and Sailfish OS.
Now I have been using Sailfish OS for the past couple of years and it works very well. I recommend having a look at it.
They use the AOSP program from Sony, so at the moment Xperia X and XA2 are officially supported, however there are many community ports for other devices. Disadvantage is the eco system and the android emulator is not available to the community ports. The emulator costs 50€ and you can use perhaps 90% of the android apps. For XA2 the kernel is 4.9 AFAIR with Android 8.x emulator. I personally have looked at many other options to replace N9 may be 5y ago but this was the only one that makes sense to me. It is very transparent and open and has a large community.
Some skills are required to flash and maintain, but well freedom is not something you get in the help desk.
regards
Good to hear that Sailfish OS is still around For many years, it was difficult to find a Sailfish OS phone that would support North American cellular frequencies. Hopefully, that has changed. Maybe there's a Sony phone, or some other phones that can be flashed with Sailfish OS & will support North American LTE frequencies. Great to hear that there's an Android emulator that works fairly well for Sailfish OS!
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:26 PM deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
Robert Peters wrote:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system? Robert
I was using Nokia N9 before - the only linux based phone created ever and working perfectly for many years. From the project emerged Mer, Jolla and Sailfish OS.
Now I have been using Sailfish OS for the past couple of years and it works very well. I recommend having a look at it.
They use the AOSP program from Sony, so at the moment Xperia X and XA2 are officially supported, however there are many community ports for other devices. Disadvantage is the eco system and the android emulator is not available to the community ports. The emulator costs 50€ and you can use perhaps 90% of the android apps. For XA2 the kernel is 4.9 AFAIR with Android 8.x emulator. I personally have looked at many other options to replace N9 may be 5y ago but this was the only one that makes sense to me. It is very transparent and open and has a large community.
Some skills are required to flash and maintain, but well freedom is not something you get in the help desk.
regards
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On Friday 29 November 2019 14:43:12 elcaseti . wrote:
Good to hear that Sailfish OS is still around For many years, it was difficult to find a Sailfish OS phone that would support North American cellular frequencies. Hopefully, that has changed. Maybe there's a Sony phone, or some other phones that can be flashed with Sailfish OS & will support North American LTE frequencies. Great to hear that there's an Android emulator that works fairly well for Sailfish OS!
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:26 PM deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
Robert Peters wrote:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system? Robert
I was using Nokia N9 before - the only linux based phone created ever and working perfectly for many years. From the project emerged Mer, Jolla and Sailfish OS.
Now I have been using Sailfish OS for the past couple of years and it works very well. I recommend having a look at it.
They use the AOSP program from Sony, so at the moment Xperia X and XA2 are officially supported, however there are many community ports for other devices. Disadvantage is the eco system and the android emulator is not available to the community ports. The emulator costs 50€ and you can use perhaps 90% of the android apps. For XA2 the kernel is 4.9 AFAIR with Android 8.x emulator. I personally have looked at many other options to replace N9 may be 5y ago but this was the only one that makes sense to me. It is very transparent and open and has a large community.
Some skills are required to flash and maintain, but well freedom is not something you get in the help desk.
regards
Please don't take this as an endorsement, since I have not actually installed it yet myself. I am still researching how to root my phone properly.
I don't know what models of smartphone are supported. I was hoping to find a cheap used phone for purposes of experimentation, before I mess up a working system. I hear that some newer phones are supposed to have a GNU/Linux OS already installed, but have waited a couple years for the big announcement, and still nothing.
Bill
These are the phones compatible with Replicant: " https://replicant.us/supported-devices.php" The Pinephone should be available in about March 2020 & it's designed to run various GNU/Linux OSes "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone". The Pinephone is going to cost around $150 USD, which is much cheaper than other similar phones.
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 9:18 PM William Morder via trinity-users < trinity-users@lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
On Friday 29 November 2019 14:43:12 elcaseti . wrote:
Good to hear that Sailfish OS is still around For many years, it was difficult to find a Sailfish OS phone that would support North American cellular frequencies. Hopefully, that has changed. Maybe there's a Sony phone, or some other phones that can be flashed with Sailfish OS & will support North American LTE frequencies. Great to hear that there's an Android emulator that works fairly well for Sailfish OS!
On Fri, Nov 29, 2019 at 2:26 PM deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
Robert Peters wrote:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system? Robert
I was using Nokia N9 before - the only linux based phone created ever
and
working perfectly for many years. From the project emerged Mer, Jolla
and
Sailfish OS.
Now I have been using Sailfish OS for the past couple of years and it works very well. I recommend having a look at it.
They use the AOSP program from Sony, so at the moment Xperia X and XA2 are officially supported, however there are many community ports for other devices. Disadvantage is the eco system and the android emulator
is
not available to the community ports. The emulator costs 50€ and you
can
use perhaps 90% of the android apps. For XA2 the kernel is 4.9 AFAIR
with
Android 8.x emulator. I personally have looked at many other options to replace N9 may be 5y ago but this was the only one that makes sense to me. It is very transparent and open and has a large community.
Some skills are required to flash and maintain, but well freedom is not something you get in the help desk.
regards
Please don't take this as an endorsement, since I have not actually installed it yet myself. I am still researching how to root my phone properly.
I don't know what models of smartphone are supported. I was hoping to find a cheap used phone for purposes of experimentation, before I mess up a working system. I hear that some newer phones are supposed to have a GNU/Linux OS already installed, but have waited a couple years for the big announcement, and still nothing.
Bill
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elcaseti . wrote:
These are the phones compatible with Replicant: " https://replicant.us/supported-devices.php" The Pinephone should be available in about March 2020 & it's designed to run various GNU/Linux OSes "https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PinePhone". The Pinephone is going to cost around $150 USD, which is much cheaper than other similar phones.
Honestly I am sceptic, but lets see.
The problem is you need a reliable and working solution for daily use. You need an eco system with applications to run. The PinePhone sounds like a toy.
William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
Please don't take this as an endorsement, since I have not actually installed it yet myself. I am still researching how to root my phone properly.
I don't know what models of smartphone are supported. I was hoping to find a cheap used phone for purposes of experimentation, before I mess up a working system. I hear that some newer phones are supposed to have a GNU/Linux OS already installed, but have waited a couple years for the big announcement, and still nothing.
The problems are the small market share and the proprietary hardware. There were so many that failed on the way ... and I am amazed how people think they can deliver something better and working. I think it is sad that people do not unite behind one single solution and make it working as competitor to the big. Instead the Linux/open source community keeps splitting into smaller and smaller parts, which makes them weaker and weaker - the software development gets slower and slower etc.
I personally am lucky to have TDE and Sailfish OS.
Regarding opening the boot loader - this is what the AOSP from Sony is. You enter the IMEI and get a code with which you can open the bootloader.
You can always buy used one and play around ;-)
regards
Thanks for all the replies - there are several things to try out. I want to get away from relying so much on Google, and that will probably include getting a non-Gmail address, and maybe using local mail storage such as Kmail... Robert
On Fri, 29 Nov 2019 at 12:51, Robert Peters robertpeters9@gmail.com wrote:
HI, Does anyone recommend a Linux-based system that can be installed on a smartphone, to replace the Google Android system? Robert
Robert Peters wrote:
Thanks for all the replies - there are several things to try out. I want to get away from relying so much on Google, and that will probably include getting a non-Gmail address, and maybe using local mail storage such as Kmail... Robert
Same here - my private mail address is on a server controlled by a friend, hosted in Europe. No need of local storage, because the mail server is the important part. Anyway - mail is a grey area, because you do not know who else reads the mails on the way, before they reach you. IMO it is irrelevant - best to use is PGP/GPG, but only few really use it.
But yes, we do not have to agree or let someone tracking us and making money out of this.
regards
On Saturday 30 November 2019 05:48:43 deloptes wrote:
Robert Peters wrote:
Thanks for all the replies - there are several things to try out. I want to get away from relying so much on Google, and that will probably include getting a non-Gmail address, and maybe using local mail storage such as Kmail... Robert
Same here - my private mail address is on a server controlled by a friend, hosted in Europe. No need of local storage, because the mail server is the important part. Anyway - mail is a grey area, because you do not know who else reads the mails on the way, before they reach you. IMO it is irrelevant - best to use is PGP/GPG, but only few really use it.
But yes, we do not have to agree or let someone tracking us and making money out of this.
regards
For them who have some money to invest:
helm server https://theintercept.com/2019/04/30/helm-email-server/ https://web.archive.org/web/20190501081515/https://theintercept.com/2019/04/... https://archive.is/AeiEy
https://www.thehelm.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20191121052928/https://www.thehelm.com/
If you host your own email, then you can control everything yourself. Of course, you must have the skills to be able to set up your own server, as well as having to pay for bandwidth, etc. However, it only costs about $500 US for the server, and then about another $100 US per year for subscription. (Note that I saved the links some months ago, and haven't read these pages since then, so my memory may be faulty.)
It seems to me, however, that a group of people could set up their own email service, and divide the costs and responsibilities.
Bill
email doctor_contendo@zoho.com jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo@hot-chilli.net
Bill
On Saturday 30 November 2019 08:25:12 am William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
If you host your own email, then you can control everything yourself. Of course, you must have the skills to be able to set up your own server, as well as having to pay for bandwidth, etc. However, it only costs about $500 US for the server, and then about another $100 US per year for subscription. (Note that I saved the links some months ago, and haven't read these pages since then, so my memory may be faulty.)
It seems to me, however, that a group of people could set up their own email service, and divide the costs and responsibilities.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
If I read that right you’re saying an Email server is $500+ per year? That is so not true!
Conventionally you need:
- Domain name ($9/year) [1] - A cheap shared host ($20/year) [2] - A free web hosting control panel ($0/year) [3] * - Security & Firewall software ($0/year) [4]
Total ~$30/year
* You’ll need this with a VPS or better, with a shared host you probably won’t.
If you don’t want to manage a server, the unconventional route is to use Email Hosting at your domain registrar.
- Domain name ($9/year) [1] - Email Hosting ($24/year) [5]
Total ~$35/year
# # #
Generally the difference is with conventional you get unlimited email addresses of your domain name and it can be setup to SSH tunnel between you and your server. Email Hosting at your domain registrar tends to limit the number of email addresses you can use and doesn’t always have a secure connection (Porkbun seems to, but I’ve never used it).
A secure connection is desired, but in no way guarantees your mail isn’t sent plain text between other hops.
# # #
I’m a Porkbun customer, so if you decide to use them, shoot me a private email and I’ll dig through their affiliate junk and send you a code.
If anyone decides to go the conventional route, I do this for a living, shoot me an email if you have any questions or need setup help.
Best All,
Michael http://inet-design.com/
[1] https://porkbun.com/products/domains#searchResultsTldLetter_c
[2] https://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4
[3] https://www.accuwebhosting.com/blog/top-5-free-web-hosting-control-panels-to... https://www.znetlive.com/blog/comparison-of-top-11-open-source-hosting-panel...
Michael wrote:
If I read that right you’re saying an Email server is $500+ per year? That is so not true!
I think it depends where you live.
the prices you mention seem to be already the shared price. ;-)
We share here in Europe and it is indeed around 500,- per year. It makes it 144,- per person and 5 domains with reasonable amount of space, cpu and memory.
On Saturday 30 November 2019 10:56:42 Michael wrote:
On Saturday 30 November 2019 08:25:12 am William Morder via trinity-users
wrote:
If you host your own email, then you can control everything yourself. Of course, you must have the skills to be able to set up your own server, as well as having to pay for bandwidth, etc. However, it only costs about $500 US for the server, and then about another $100 US per year for subscription. (Note that I saved the links some months ago, and haven't read these pages since then, so my memory may be faulty.)
It seems to me, however, that a group of people could set up their own email service, and divide the costs and responsibilities.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
If I read that right you’re saying an Email server is $500+ per year? That is so not true!
Conventionally you need:
- Domain name ($9/year) [1]
- A cheap shared host ($20/year) [2]
- A free web hosting control panel ($0/year) [3] *
- Security & Firewall software ($0/year) [4]
Total ~$30/year
- You’ll need this with a VPS or better, with a shared host you probably
won’t.
If you don’t want to manage a server, the unconventional route is to use Email Hosting at your domain registrar.
- Domain name ($9/year) [1]
- Email Hosting ($24/year) [5]
Total ~$35/year
# # #
Generally the difference is with conventional you get unlimited email addresses of your domain name and it can be setup to SSH tunnel between you and your server. Email Hosting at your domain registrar tends to limit the number of email addresses you can use and doesn’t always have a secure connection (Porkbun seems to, but I’ve never used it).
A secure connection is desired, but in no way guarantees your mail isn’t sent plain text between other hops.
# # #
I’m a Porkbun customer, so if you decide to use them, shoot me a private email and I’ll dig through their affiliate junk and send you a code.
If anyone decides to go the conventional route, I do this for a living, shoot me an email if you have any questions or need setup help.
Best All,
Michael http://inet-design.com/
[1] https://porkbun.com/products/domains#searchResultsTldLetter_c
[2] https://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4
[3] https://www.accuwebhosting.com/blog/top-5-free-web-hosting-control-panels-t o-manage-vps-dedicated-servers/ https://www.znetlive.com/blog/comparison-of-top-11-open-source-hosting-pane ls/
NO NO NO
$500 to buy the server itself (which looks about the size of a shoebox). If I remember the info on the web pages, they said one needed a subscription, which was about $100 a year, but that seemed too much to me. Good to know.
I don't know if one must get a "subscription" through one certain company (i.e., connected to the makers of the server itself), or if others can be used, such as you recommend.
Damn it, now I'm gonna have to go back and read these things again!
:-/
In any case, I am more interested in the principle of the matter, which is self-hosting of one's own email; or, what I believe more manageable, for a small group to create and manage their own. If it gets too big, then you have the same problems as with Gmail, etc.; if too small, then you are overburdened with technical stuff, and it's probably too much for a single person.
Bill
email doctor_contendo@zoho.com jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo@hot-chilli.net
On Saturday 30 November 2019 10:56:42 Michael wrote:
On Saturday 30 November 2019 08:25:12 am William Morder via trinity-users
wrote:
If you host your own email, then you can control everything yourself. Of course, you must have the skills to be able to set up your own server, as well as having to pay for bandwidth, etc. However, it only costs about $500 US for the server, and then about another $100 US per year for subscription. (Note that I saved the links some months ago, and haven't read these pages since then, so my memory may be faulty.)
It seems to me, however, that a group of people could set up their own email service, and divide the costs and responsibilities.
Whoa, whoa, whoa!
If I read that right you’re saying an Email server is $500+ per year? That is so not true!
Conventionally you need:
- Domain name ($9/year) [1]
- A cheap shared host ($20/year) [2]
- A free web hosting control panel ($0/year) [3] *
- Security & Firewall software ($0/year) [4]
Total ~$30/year
- You’ll need this with a VPS or better, with a shared host you probably
won’t.
If you don’t want to manage a server, the unconventional route is to use Email Hosting at your domain registrar.
- Domain name ($9/year) [1]
- Email Hosting ($24/year) [5]
Total ~$35/year
# # #
Generally the difference is with conventional you get unlimited email addresses of your domain name and it can be setup to SSH tunnel between you and your server. Email Hosting at your domain registrar tends to limit the number of email addresses you can use and doesn’t always have a secure connection (Porkbun seems to, but I’ve never used it).
A secure connection is desired, but in no way guarantees your mail isn’t sent plain text between other hops.
# # #
I’m a Porkbun customer, so if you decide to use them, shoot me a private email and I’ll dig through their affiliate junk and send you a code.
If anyone decides to go the conventional route, I do this for a living, shoot me an email if you have any questions or need setup help.
Best All,
Michael http://inet-design.com/
[1] https://porkbun.com/products/domains#searchResultsTldLetter_c
[2] https://www.webhostingtalk.com/forumdisplay.php?f=4
[3] https://www.accuwebhosting.com/blog/top-5-free-web-hosting-control-panels-t o-manage-vps-dedicated-servers/ https://www.znetlive.com/blog/comparison-of-top-11-open-source-hosting-pane ls/
NO NO NO
$500 to buy the server itself (which looks about the size of a shoebox). If I remember the info on the web pages, they said one needed a subscription, which was about $100 a year, but that seemed too much to me. Good to know.
I don't know if one must get a "subscription" through one certain company (i.e., connected to the makers of the server itself), or if others can be used, such as you recommend.
Damn it, now I'm gonna have to go back and read these things again!
:-/
In any case, I am more interested in the principle of the matter, which is self-hosting of one's own email; or, what I believe more manageable, for a small group to create and manage their own. If it gets too big, then you have the same problems as with Gmail, etc.; if too small, then you are overburdened with technical stuff, and it's probably too much for a single person.
Bill
P.S. This might have got sent twice, due to problems with my own email.
email doctor_contendo@zoho.com jabber/xmpp dr_mojo_contendo@hot-chilli.net
I just came across a post on ycombinator, and it seemed worthy of adding the information to this thread:
"If I were configuring a smartphone today, I'd use @DanielMicay's @GrapheneOS as the base operating system."
source: https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/1175430722733129729
Bill
On Saturday 30 November 2019 01:06:49 Robert Peters wrote:
Thanks for all the replies - there are several things to try out. I want to get away from relying so much on Google, and that will probably include getting a non-Gmail address, and maybe using local mail storage such as Kmail... Robert
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William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
I just came across a post on ycombinator, and it seemed worthy of adding the information to this thread:
"If I were configuring a smartphone today, I'd use @DanielMicay's @GrapheneOS as the base operating system."
source: https://mobile.twitter.com/Snowden/status/1175430722733129729
Bill
thanks - very interesting. I guess I'll stick to the Sailfish, but it is worth checking
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