Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
On Sunday 24 June 2018 21:28:33 Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
Try moving through the menu choices from the keyboard, using tab (forward) and shift-tab (backwards), and space bar to click. Or you could try using mouse keys (if you have them enabled).
I doubt this would solve your problem; I am trying to imagine what you mean, as it hasn't happened to me. However, if you can do this through the keyboard, then it might give you a clue to the problem, as something else might be interfering with your mouse.
It might be that I have a similar problem. Every so often (maybe once out of every dozen or so times that I boot up), I cannot access the upper left-hand corner of my screen (maybe one-fourth of the entire screen). I finally figured out - or so I think - that I have set Open Office to start up when the computer boots, and the "restore session" dialog box is about the same size as the portion of the screen that I couldn't access in other windows. Apparently the dialog box was acting like a ghost in other windows. However, I could access the menu choices in the upper left hand corner by using the keyboard and/or mouse keys on the num pad.
It sounds like your issue is fundamentally different from mine, but you might still be able to use the keyboard for these functions, and that might yield more information about your issue.
yours
Bill
William Morder composed on 2018-06-24 21:42 (UTC-0700):
I am trying to imagine what you mean, as it hasn't happened to me. However, if you can do this through the keyboard, then it might give you a clue to the problem, as something else might be interfering with your mouse.
I don't need any clues what the problem is. There's no space between the two targets. The pointer only has to move as little as one pixel to shift from one target to the other.
Imagine you are 100 years old with arthritic arms, hands and fingers, and eyes that don't work like they used to, trying to use a mouse or trackball. If you can't, goto an assisted living center and watch old people trying to use a mouse or trackball. The coordination and eyesight of an average 14 year old is ancient history. Clicking a button without moving the pointer off the intended target takes a lot of luck.
Simplest solution would be to remove never to be used menu selections. Some null space between targets could help.
On Sunday 24 June 2018 22:04:22 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-06-24 21:42 (UTC-0700):
I am trying to imagine what you mean, as it hasn't happened to me. However, if you can do this through the keyboard, then it might give you a clue to the problem, as something else might be interfering with your mouse.
I don't need any clues what the problem is. There's no space between the two targets. The pointer only has to move as little as one pixel to shift from one target to the other.
Imagine you are 100 years old with arthritic arms, hands and fingers, and eyes that don't work like they used to, trying to use a mouse or trackball. If you can't, goto an assisted living center and watch old people trying to use a mouse or trackball. The coordination and eyesight of an average 14 year old is ancient history. Clicking a button without moving the pointer off the intended target takes a lot of luck.
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
Sometimes I have to switch between two different pairs of glasses, as well as trying to read without glasses, and sometimes using a magnifying glass as well, all to do a single simple task while working at my desk.
Simplest solution would be to remove never to be used menu selections. Some null space between targets could help.
Somebody else was discussing something like your issue in a different context; or so I think. There was a discussion about increasing the space between buttons. I will look through the mailing list to see if I can find it, or maybe somebody else remembers? But I think they were discussing some kind of redesign or tweak of the close/maximize/minimize buttons at the top right-hand corner. My memory is fuzzy on this point. I think they were discussing adding null space to deal with that issue.
Bill
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste time designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them anyway. Also, old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a shrinking market.
Bill
On 2018-06-25 23:25:27 William Morder wrote:
On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste time designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them anyway. Also, old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a shrinking market.
Bill
Oh, thank you very much. :-)
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On Monday 25 June 2018 23:56:44 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-25 23:25:27 William Morder wrote:
On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste time designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them anyway. Also, old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a shrinking market.
Bill
Oh, thank you very much. :-)
Anything I can do to brighten your day. That's me, a ray of sunshine.
Bill
On Sun June 24 2018 21:28:33 Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
Hi Felix,
I don't know how to do that, but perhaps using ctrl-alt-del to logout or ctrl-alt-del-shift to logout without confirmation would suffice?
These are the default key combos. You can if you prefer set simpler combos from Control Center / Regional and Accessibility / Keyboard Shortcuts.
--Mike
On 06/24/2018 11:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
It's been a while but I think the menu entries that are common are compile time additions. If I recall correctly, that Lock Session gets its functionality from:
/tde/main/tdebase/kicker/applets/lockout/lockout.cpp
I haven't located yet where exactly that gets pulled into the menu, but I suspect a quick patch removing that entry would work. I'll look more tomorrow.
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On 2018/06/25 02:51 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/24/2018 11:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
It's been a while but I think the menu entries that are common are compile time additions. If I recall correctly, that Lock Session gets its functionality from:
/tde/main/tdebase/kicker/applets/lockout/lockout.cpp
I haven't located yet where exactly that gets pulled into the menu, but I suspect a quick patch removing that entry would work. I'll look more tomorrow.
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2464 Added to R14.1.0 list. Obviously this needs a config option. See also http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2647
The discussion about space between buttons (mentioned by William) was a totally different thing.
Cheers Michele
On 06/24/2018 08:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
+1, my work around, and this is an Nvidia issue, I renamed "kdesktop_lock to kdesktop_lock.bk my desktops were locking auto-magically. But my mouse skills are minimal, hate the mouse :-)
greg
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