25 Jun
2018
25 Jun
'18
4:28 a.m.
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top
of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half
the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
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get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)
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25 Jun
25 Jun
4:42 a.m.
On Sunday 24 June 2018 21:28:33 Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on
top of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click,
and half the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session
instead of log out.
Try moving through the menu choices from the keyboard, using tab (forward) and
shift-tab (backwards), and space bar to click. Or you could try using mouse
keys (if you have them enabled).
I doubt this would solve your problem; I am trying to imagine what you mean,
as it hasn't happened to me. However, if you can do this through the
keyboard, then it might give you a clue to the problem, as something else
might be interfering with your mouse.
It might be that I have a similar problem. Every so often (maybe once out of
every dozen or so times that I boot up), I cannot access the upper left-hand
corner of my screen (maybe one-fourth of the entire screen). I finally
figured out - or so I think - that I have set Open Office to start up when
the computer boots, and the "restore session" dialog box is about the same
size as the portion of the screen that I couldn't access in other windows.
Apparently the dialog box was acting like a ghost in other windows. However,
I could access the menu choices in the upper left hand corner by using the
keyboard and/or mouse keys on the num pad.
It sounds like your issue is fundamentally different from mine, but you might
still be able to use the keyboard for these functions, and that might yield
more information about your issue.
yours
Bill
5:04 a.m.
William Morder composed on 2018-06-24 21:42 (UTC-0700):
I am trying to imagine what you mean,
as it hasn't happened to me. However, if you can do this through the
keyboard, then it might give you a clue to the problem, as something else
might be interfering with your mouse.
I don't need any clues what the problem is. There's no space between the two
targets. The pointer only has to move as little as one pixel to shift from one
target to the other.
Imagine you are 100 years old with arthritic arms, hands and fingers, and eyes
that don't work like they used to, trying to use a mouse or trackball. If you
can't, goto an assisted living center and watch old people trying to use a mouse
or trackball. The coordination and eyesight of an average 14 year old is ancient
history. Clicking a button without moving the pointer off the intended target
takes a lot of luck.
Simplest solution would be to remove never to be used menu selections. Some null
space between targets could help.
--
"Wisdom is supreme; therefore get wisdom. Whatever else you
get, get wisdom." Proverbs 4:7 (New Living Translation)
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/
6:08 a.m.
On Sunday 24 June 2018 22:04:22 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder composed on 2018-06-24 21:42
(UTC-0700):
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can imagine that I am 60, and
have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a pain
to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
Sometimes I have to switch between two different pairs of glasses, as well as
trying to read without glasses, and sometimes using a magnifying glass as
well, all to do a single simple task while working at my desk.
I am trying to imagine what you mean,
as it hasn't happened to me. However, if you can do this through the
keyboard, then it might give you a clue to the problem, as something else
might be interfering with your mouse.
I don't need any clues what the problem is. There's no space between the
two targets. The pointer only has to move as little as one pixel to shift
from one target to the other.
Imagine you are 100 years old with arthritic arms, hands and fingers, and
eyes that don't work like they used to, trying to use a mouse or trackball.
If you can't, goto an assisted living center and watch old people trying to
use a mouse or trackball. The coordination and eyesight of an average 14
year old is ancient history. Clicking a button without moving the pointer
off the intended target takes a lot of luck.
Simplest solution would be to remove never to be used menu selections. Some
null space between targets could help.
Somebody else was discussing something like your issue in a different context;
or so I think. There was a discussion about increasing the space between
buttons. I will look through the mailing list to see if I can find it, or
maybe somebody else remembers? But I think they were discussing some kind of
redesign or tweak of the close/maximize/minimize buttons at the top
right-hand corner. My memory is fuzzy on this point. I think they were
discussing adding null space to deal with that issue.
Bill
9:15 p.m.
New subject: remove lock session from menu?
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but I can
imagine that I am 60,
and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is a
pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
One of the
reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor
icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that imitate
Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish one icon
from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are designed for
young people, by young people, and the limitations due to aging or other
disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be concentrating on
eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
26 Jun
26 Jun
4:25 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: remove lock session from menu?
On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste time
designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them anyway. Also,
old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a shrinking market.
Bill
I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but
I can imagine that I am 60,
and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It also is
a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no HiColor
icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones that
imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to distinguish
one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's desktops are
designed for young people, by young people, and the limitations due to
aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while they seem to be
concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
6:56 a.m.
New subject: remove lock session from menu?
On 2018-06-25 23:25:27 William Morder wrote:
On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
Oh, thank you very much. :-)
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste time
designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them anyway. Also,
old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a shrinking
market.
Bill I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but
I can imagine that I am
60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It
also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for
young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no
HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones
that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to
distinguish one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's
desktops are designed for young people, by young people, and the
limitations due to aging or other disabilities are not thought of, while
they seem to be concentrating on eye-candy instead of functionality.
Leslie
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11:42 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: remove lock session from menu?
On Monday 25 June 2018 23:56:44 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-06-25 23:25:27 William Morder wrote:
Anything I can do to brighten your day. That's me, a ray of sunshine.
Bill
On Monday 25 June 2018 14:15:18 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
Oh, thank you very much. :-)
On 2018-06-25 01:08:32 William Morder wrote:
Old people have less disposable income, so there's no reason to waste
time designing systems for them to use when they can't afford them
anyway. Also, old people tend to die sooner than young people, so it's a
shrinking market.
Bill I can't imagine that I am 100 years old, but
I can imagine that I am
60, and have already begun to feel the ravages of time on my body. It
also is a pain to use computer screens that are designed by and for
young people.
One of the reasons I'm not using KDE4/Plasma is that there are no
HiColor icons available there (AFAIK), just the wishy-washy pastel ones
that imitate Windoze. Their contrast is so poor it's hard for me to
distinguish one icon from another in many cases. As you say, today's
desktops are designed for young people, by young people, and the
limitations due to aging or other disabilities are not thought of,
while they seem to be concentrating on eye-candy instead of
functionality.
Leslie 
25 Jun
25 Jun
6:30 a.m.
On Sun June 24 2018 21:28:33 Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
Hi Felix,
I don't know how to do that, but perhaps using ctrl-alt-del to logout
or ctrl-alt-del-shift to logout without confirmation would suffice?
These are the default key combos. You can if you prefer set simpler
combos from Control Center / Regional and Accessibility / Keyboard
Shortcuts.
--Mike
6:51 a.m.
On 06/24/2018 11:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top
of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half
the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
It's been a while but I think the menu entries that are common are compile
time additions. If I recall correctly, that Lock Session gets its
functionality from:
/tde/main/tdebase/kicker/applets/lockout/lockout.cpp
I haven't located yet where exactly that gets pulled into the menu, but I
suspect a quick patch removing that entry would work. I'll look more tomorrow.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
9:57 a.m.
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On 2018/06/25 02:51 PM, David C. Rankin wrote:
On 06/24/2018 11:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2464
Added to R14.1.0 list. Obviously this needs a config option.
See also
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2647
The discussion about space between buttons (mentioned by William) was a totally different
thing.
Cheers
Michele
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top
of log out. I try to log out, I
put the pointer over log out, I click, and half the time the pointer moves as I click to
selecting lock session
instead of log out.
It's been a while but I think the menu entries that are common are compile time
additions. If I recall correctly,
that Lock Session gets its functionality from:
/tde/main/tdebase/kicker/applets/lockout/lockout.cpp
I haven't located yet where exactly that gets pulled into the menu, but I suspect a
quick patch removing that entry
would work. I'll look more tomorrow.
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8:45 p.m.
On 06/24/2018 08:28 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Can it be done? If so, how?
I never lock session on purpose.
It's extremely irritating that it's placed there at all, much less right on top
of log out. I try to log out, I put the pointer over log out, I click, and half
the time the pointer moves as I click to selecting lock session instead of log out.
+1, my work around, and this is an Nvidia issue, I renamed
"kdesktop_lock to kdesktop_lock.bk my desktops were locking
auto-magically. But my mouse skills are minimal, hate the mouse :-)
greg
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