Hi all,
I just downloaded and installed the new Mint Debian 201109. It says it's 100% compatible with repositories designed for Squeeze, but Trinity won't install due to over a dozen unresolved dependencies. Is there any obvious reason this is so, and anything simple I can do to fix it?
Alternatively, is there another Debian-based, rolling-release distro on which Trinity will install without problems? (I could just use Debian, but I'd prefer to use a distro on which things like wireless drivers work out of the box.)
Thanks.
Hi all,
I just downloaded and installed the new Mint Debian 201109. It says it's 100% compatible with repositories designed for Squeeze, but Trinity won't install due to over a dozen unresolved dependencies. Is there any obvious reason this is so, and anything simple I can do to fix it?
Alternatively, is there another Debian-based, rolling-release distro on which Trinity will install without problems? (I could just use Debian, but I'd prefer to use a distro on which things like wireless drivers work out of the box.)
Thanks.
If you are feeling adventurous, you could use the Trinity Nightly Build repository for Squeeze. If you still run into dependency problems then Mint is not 100% compatible with Squeeze.
Tim
On 09/20/2011 10:24 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
If you are feeling adventurous, you could use the Trinity Nightly Build repository for Squeeze. If you still run into dependency problems then Mint is not 100% compatible with Squeeze.
Not sure how adventurous I'm feeling, but I have been known to be a bit foolhardy at times. :)
I'm not making much sense of where to point apt for the Squeeze nightly builds. Can you give me the sources.list lines?
Thanks.
On 09/20/2011 10:24 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
If you are feeling adventurous, you could use the Trinity Nightly Build repository for Squeeze. If you still run into dependency problems then Mint is not 100% compatible with Squeeze.
Not sure how adventurous I'm feeling, but I have been known to be a bit foolhardy at times. :)
I'm not making much sense of where to point apt for the Squeeze nightly builds. Can you give me the sources.list lines?
Thanks.
These four lines should do the trick: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... squeeze main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... squeeze main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/de... squeeze main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/de... squeeze main
Tim
I use only Debian, however I read that LMDE is a "rolling release" based on Debian Testing (Wheezy) It cannot be "compatible with Squeeze"
It is quite adventurous to run Testing at all. It should be regularly dist-upgraded; sometime it breaks needing manual fixes.
I did a successful install of TDE with Wheezy but it was a few months back, I didn't maintain it. I had to install some individual packages from Squeeze, don't remember what they were, it will be different now anyway. I will reinstall it soon.
Can you post more details of your dependency issues? Might help others get TDE going on Wheezy.
On 09/20/2011 02:06 PM, David Hare wrote:
Can you post more details of your dependency issues? Might help others get TDE going on Wheezy.
I'm afraid I've tweaked it beyond being able to get that info, except that it was 14 packages of Trinity stuff. At present I intend to reinstall the Maverick Trinity respin, unless Tim comes up with something on the Debian metapackage before I get around to it. But I can't really afford to spend much more time on that machine this week.
It turns out, Mint Debian uses their own frozen Debian Testing repo. I guess that makes it sorta Squeeze compatible, but clearly it's not 100%.
On 09/20/2011 11:44 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
These four lines should do the trick:
Those worked, thanks.
But, desktop-base-trinity and kde-trinity (per the Debian install instructions on the website) aren't there. So I installed kdebase-trinity, rebooted, and got a blank desktop with a taskbar that was empty except for a Show Desktop button. Some things work, and some don't (Synaptic, for one) which leads me to believe maybe it's time to cut my losses and stick with Maverick for a while.
On 09/20/2011 11:44 AM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
These four lines should do the trick:
Those worked, thanks.
But, desktop-base-trinity and kde-trinity (per the Debian install instructions on the website) aren't there. So I installed kdebase-trinity, rebooted, and got a blank desktop with a taskbar that was empty except for a Show Desktop button. Some things work, and some don't (Synaptic, for one) which leads me to believe maybe it's time to cut my losses and stick with Maverick for a while.
This is probably because the Debian metapackage was not built in the nightly builds yet. I'll look into it.
Tim
On 20/09/11 19:44, Timothy Pearson wrote:
These four lines should do the trick: deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... squeeze main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-build-dep... squeeze main deb http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/de... squeeze main deb-src http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/de... squeeze main
http://ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/de...
(redirects to : http://mirror.its.uidaho.edu/pub/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/debian)
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The requested URL /pub/trinity/trinity-nightly-builds/debian was not found on this server. Apache Server at mirror.its.uidaho.edu Port 80
Same with the others
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 09:24:17 am Timothy Pearson wrote:
Hi all,
I just downloaded and installed the new Mint Debian 201109. It says it's 100% compatible with repositories designed for Squeeze, but Trinity won't install due to over a dozen unresolved dependencies. Is there any obvious reason this is so, and anything simple I can do to fix it?
Alternatively, is there another Debian-based, rolling-release distro on which Trinity will install without problems? (I could just use Debian, but I'd prefer to use a distro on which things like wireless drivers work out of the box.)
Thanks.
If you are feeling adventurous, you could use the Trinity Nightly Build repository for Squeeze. If you still run into dependency problems then Mint is not 100% compatible with Squeeze.
Tim
Mint 201109 is based on Testing, Wheezy. It will not be compatible with Squeeze.
Oops, ignore, David Hare already covered it.
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 05:31:21 pm Greg Madden wrote:
On Tuesday 20 September 2011 09:24:17 am Timothy Pearson wrote:
Hi all,
I just downloaded and installed the new Mint Debian 201109. It says it's 100% compatible with repositories designed for Squeeze, but Trinity won't install due to over a dozen unresolved dependencies. Is there any obvious reason this is so, and anything simple I can do to fix it?
Alternatively, is there another Debian-based, rolling-release distro on which Trinity will install without problems? (I could just use Debian, but I'd prefer to use a distro on which things like wireless drivers work out of the box.)
Thanks.
If you are feeling adventurous, you could use the Trinity Nightly Build repository for Squeeze. If you still run into dependency problems then Mint is not 100% compatible with Squeeze.
Tim
Mint 201109 is based on Testing, Wheezy. It will not be compatible with Squeeze.
I did this afternoon a chroot base (debootstrap) "install" of wheezy and proceeded to install Trinity to it. Rather than the "official" method (which uses metapackages, e.g. kde-trinity) I used a custom list of TDE applications for a "light" TDE.
My list is posted here: http://paste.debian.net/131358/
I could convert this to a "real" install later, but for now I want to see what dependency issues there might be.
I identified the following, all of which are deprecated in Wheezy but available (and installable) from Squeeze :
libavahi-qt3-1 libsensors3 libmtp8 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler5
There may be others in a more full TDE setup. So far it seems that enabling Squeeze repos in Wheezy still allows TDE to install without errors.
Hope this helps anyone wanting to try Testing, maybe even LMDE or Sid
If someone where to create & release a live DVD of Linux Mint with Trinity DE, that would be awesome! Also, that's the kind of move that it's going to take to get a large group of people to use Trinity DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:40 AM, David Hare davidahare@gmail.com wrote:
I did this afternoon a chroot base (debootstrap) "install" of wheezy and proceeded to install Trinity to it. Rather than the "official" method (which uses metapackages, e.g. kde-trinity) I used a custom list of TDE applications for a "light" TDE.
My list is posted here: http://paste.debian.net/**131358/http://paste.debian.net/131358/
I could convert this to a "real" install later, but for now I want to see what dependency issues there might be.
I identified the following, all of which are deprecated in Wheezy but available (and installable) from Squeeze :
libavahi-qt3-1 libsensors3 libmtp8 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler5
There may be others in a more full TDE setup. So far it seems that enabling Squeeze repos in Wheezy still allows TDE to install without errors.
Hope this helps anyone wanting to try Testing, maybe even LMDE or Sid
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C W wrote:
If someone where to create & release a live DVD of Linux Mint with Trinity DE, that would be awesome! Also, that's the kind of move that it's going to take to get a large group of people to use Trinity DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:40 AM, David Hare <davidahare@gmail.com mailto:davidahare@gmail.com> wrote:
I did this afternoon a chroot base (debootstrap) "install" of wheezy and proceeded to install Trinity to it. Rather than the "official" method (which uses metapackages, e.g. kde-trinity) I used a custom list of TDE applications for a "light" TDE. My list is posted here: http://paste.debian.net/131358/ I could convert this to a "real" install later, but for now I want to see what dependency issues there might be. I identified the following, all of which are deprecated in Wheezy but available (and installable) from Squeeze : libavahi-qt3-1 libsensors3 libmtp8 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler5 There may be others in a more full TDE setup. So far it seems that enabling Squeeze repos in Wheezy still allows TDE to install without errors. Hope this helps anyone wanting to try Testing, maybe even LMDE or Sid
have had TDE installed on sid for a long time now aslong as you add the required repos from squeeze you wont have problems and it wont affect the stability of your system by haveing older debian repos in your list (it always favours your default (or most up to date depending on settings) repo unless a specific version is needed)
Having an easy to try & easy to use live DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE is very different from the kind of tinkering that we've been doing so far, where we install the OS 1st, then add TDE. I'm talking about something newbie-friendly like a Mint live & installable DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 11:28 PM, Patrick Kelly < Patrick@gingerbread-man.co.cc> wrote:
C W wrote:
If someone where to create & release a live DVD of Linux Mint with Trinity DE, that would be awesome! Also, that's the kind of move that it's going to take to get a large group of people to use Trinity DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
On Wed, Sep 21, 2011 at 6:40 AM, David Hare <davidahare@gmail.commailto: davidahare@gmail.com> wrote:
I did this afternoon a chroot base (debootstrap) "install" of wheezy and proceeded to install Trinity to it. Rather than the "official" method (which uses metapackages, e.g. kde-trinity) I used a custom list of TDE applications for a "light" TDE.
My list is posted here: http://paste.debian.net/131358/
I could convert this to a "real" install later, but for now I want to see what dependency issues there might be.
I identified the following, all of which are deprecated in Wheezy but available (and installable) from Squeeze :
libavahi-qt3-1 libsensors3 libmtp8 libpoppler-qt2 libpoppler5
There may be others in a more full TDE setup. So far it seems that enabling Squeeze repos in Wheezy still allows TDE to install without errors.
Hope this helps anyone wanting to try Testing, maybe even LMDE or Sid
have had TDE installed on sid for a long time now aslong as you add the
required repos from squeeze you wont have problems and it wont affect the stability of your system by haveing older debian repos in your list (it always favours your default (or most up to date depending on settings) repo unless a specific version is needed)
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Having an easy to try & easy to use live DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE is very different from the kind of tinkering that we've been doing so far, where we install the OS 1st, then add TDE. I'm talking about something newbie-friendly like a Mint live & installable DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
Yes, I fully agree with you. I think there was someone who did put together an installable ISO image of Trinity on Debian (it was called EXE Linux if I remember correctly).
Oh, and here is a friendly reminder not to top-post. ;-)
Tim
On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 10:22 PM, Timothy Pearson < kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
Having an easy to try & easy to use live DVD with TDE pre-installed as
the
default DE is very different from the kind of tinkering that we've been doing so far, where we install the OS 1st, then add TDE. I'm talking about something newbie-friendly like a Mint live & installable DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
Yes, I fully agree with you. I think there was someone who did put together an installable ISO image of Trinity on Debian (it was called EXE Linux if I remember correctly).
Oh, and here is a friendly reminder not to top-post. ;-)
Tim
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On Friday 23 September 2011 08:20:56 C W wrote:
I've never heard of people preferring email replies in a certain order, but now I know.
It is also desirable to trim the totally irrelevant bits. :-) Some people are still on dial-up, and even those of us on ADSL or better, still find it easier to read. And interleaving is normally considered acceptable - or even preferred.
Lisi
On Friday 23 September 2011 09:49:34 Lisi wrote:
It is also desirable to trim the totally irrelevant bits. :-) Some people are still on dial-up, and even those of us on ADSL or better, still find it easier to read. And interleaving is normally considered acceptable - or even preferred.
korrect. and really easy with kmail: just mark the relevant section of text, for which the answer is intended, then hit 'r' - bingo :) btw., one of kmail's features I like most...
werner
On 23/09/11 06:22, Timothy Pearson wrote:
Having an easy to try& easy to use live DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE is very different from the kind of tinkering that we've been doing so far, where we install the OS 1st, then add TDE. I'm talking about something newbie-friendly like a Mint live& installable DVD with TDE pre-installed as the default DE.
Cheers, Elcaset
(snip)
I think there was someone who did put together an installable ISO image of Trinity on Debian (it was called EXE Linux if I remember correctly).
Yes, it was me who did Exe (Exe Gnu/Linux). Exe is still regularly maintained and has been refined considerably (although is still "experimental") since I posted details some time back. I have still not seen another TDE/Debian live build.
Exe is based on Squeeze and defaults to a "light" TDE. It has installers for hard disk and pendrive (and a remaster utility). English (UK and US) and Spanish locale/language support are built-in.
However, legally and ethically, I can't include non-GPL stuff. It is not difficult to add from debian-multimedia or official Debian non-free; http://wiki.debian.org/WiFi tells you how to get wireless working.
The URL has probably changed: http://www.exe-linux.fastfishwebsolutions.com/
David
On Friday 23 September 2011 11:27:00 David Hare wrote:
Yes, it was me who did Exe (Exe Gnu/Linux).
David -
Pity you didn't use Exm rather than Exe for your derivation. Even I, as someone English who knows Exmouth and Exmoor and Exeter, read it as .exe, a Windows executive, and wondered what the connection was. Those who do not know England are even more likely to think that exe refers to Windows. Even now I know, I still struggle to react to it as Exmouth and not Windows.
That is of course a mere pinprick, and not something to carp at when you have done such a marvellous job. Now I know that you have continued to develop it, I must try it again.
Lisi
On 23/09/11 11:47, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 23 September 2011 11:27:00 David Hare wrote:
Yes, it was me who did Exe (Exe Gnu/Linux).
David -
Pity you didn't use Exm rather than Exe for your derivation. Even I, as someone English who knows Exmouth and Exmoor and Exeter, read it as .exe, a Windows executive, and wondered what the connection was. Those who do not know England are even more likely to think that exe refers to Windows. Even now I know, I still struggle to react to it as Exmouth and not Windows.
That is of course a mere pinprick, and not something to carp at when you have done such a marvellous job. Now I know that you have continued to develop it, I must try it again.
Lisi
Well, originally it was done for personal and immediately local use only. Since then, interest has reached as far as Spain... and the name stuck. Any other questions or comments, please make a new subject thread (it needs some more testers)
Getting back "on-topic" (LMDE). Clearly Mint is among the top distros with an army of devs, a very professional and polished appearance and out-of-the-box multimedia and hardware support. A lot of that probably ties in with it's own default desktop.
In any "rolling release" based on testing surely either core system components or it's ability to run TDE could break at any time. Maintaining testing (or Sid) is not simple even for experienced Debian users (I ran Sid myself for many years, till KDE4 came in) In it's lifetime as current stable, Squeeze is good, runs TDE and it won't break.
That's enough reasoning for me to stay with straight Debian, Squeeze for main machine and Testing/Sid for experiments. By the way, yesterday's Wheezy installed just fine with TDE.
TDE itself is probably still not yet "polished" enough, with many still unresolved bugs, for the major distos to use it; though I know TDE devs are doing a marvellous and ongoing job. It is even now (with a few tweaks) plenty good enough for me to use on my Debian boxes in preference to any current "mainstream" DE I know of.
David
On Friday 23 September 2011 14:22:48 David Hare wrote:
By the way, yesterday's Wheezy installed just fine with TDE.
Thanks, David. The time has clearly come for me to test it. Did you just use the Squeeze TDE repositories?
Now I have gone so long on Lenny, I am wondering whether the thing to do, come early next year and Lenny's demise, is skip Squeeze and go straight to Wheezy. But I am unsure of coping - I am not knowledgeable enough to code my way out of trouble.
Lisi
On 23 September 2011 15:19, Lisi lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Friday 23 September 2011 14:22:48 David Hare wrote:
By the way, yesterday's Wheezy installed just fine with TDE.
Thanks, David. The time has clearly come for me to test it. Did you just use the Squeeze TDE repositories?
Now I have gone so long on Lenny, I am wondering whether the thing to do, come early next year and Lenny's demise, is skip Squeeze and go straight to Wheezy. But I am unsure of coping - I am not knowledgeable enough to code my way out of trouble.
Lisi
Yes I use TDE Squeeze repos (will try the "nightly builds" soon)
Till Debian Testing goes into "freeze" mode (maybe mid-2012?), TDE could break any time, with some sudden change maybe incompatible with TDE libs/dependencies...
Squeeze/TDE is good for some time yet.
David
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