Hello Timothy,
I just want to say that you are doing a marvelous job with TDE. Words cannot express how happy I am with TDE. Basically, TDE is a dream come true. I don't know whether you get any feedback or not but as a developer I know that feedback is extremely important - it motivates developers do more coding and improve their work!
I had been looking for a proper Linux Desktop since the time I first started experimenting with Linux - 1998. Every single DE until TDE came out has/had been a major disappointment. It has been a major disappointment because basic concepts of desktop computing such as Drag&Drop, Search, Copy/Paste, Print Screen etc have not been met and are not working and this happens right now with some well known DEs with their latest releases...
TDE however is addressing all of these concepts and goes way beyond. TDE meets and it well exceeds the basic concepts of desktop computing!
What I like about TDE?
- I can drop any icon/shortcut to the panel - be it a folder, shortcut, image or a URL from any window regardless what toolkit it is using (I have tried both GTK and QT)! I can even drag browser URLs into the panel! The basic concepts of desktop computing!! This is like Windows!! Well done!!
- When I drag the object/icon on the panel (rearranging icons), the space between the icons is evenly adjusted automatically between the shortcuts/icons! This is simply awesome!! The basic concepts of desktop computing!! Well done!!! Basic concepts of desktop computing are actually working in TDE! Well done!!
- The Search field on the top right of KNQ is awesome! Well done!! It works better than Windows and it is very quick!!
- Find Files and Folders dialog - Well done!! Well done!!!
- The Search in the T menu - awesome work!! Well done! (I just wish it could be moved to the bottom but no biggie) - Well done!!
- Print Screen!! Well done!! It works from any app from any widget regardless which widget has the focus! I have seen poor attempts in the past where some DEs try to make Print Screen work like in Windows but the funny thing is it only works when the desktop itself is focused. Once it looses the focus it does not work. The PRNT SCR stroke is not captured. Yours however is done the right way! It seems to bypass the focused widget ignoring its keystroke events and it travels all the way and it captures the screenshot. Again, basics of desktop computing. *Well Done!!!*
- Mounted drive icons on the desktop - the tooltip and the property dialog box show the device they are pointing to - e.g: /dev/sdb2 - Well done! Marvelous job!! With other DEs I have to use long-cuts to find out what/where everything is! Again, well done!!!
- Your Quick Launch applet on the panel - again, it works pretty much like the Windows one with full Drag&Drop support from any window and spaces between icons are automatically and evenly adjusted - Well done!!!
- Right click context menus from the T menu (Copy To Run Dialog, Edit Menu Entry etc) - Absolutely marvelous!!
I just donated to show my support. Please continue the excellent work! Words cannot express the high quality of your work. I can see true professionalism and potential! Well done!!
Any way, please keep up the current path and do not make the same mistake other teams have done. The basics of desktop computing in other DEs are not working and they give us these flashy and useless special effects instead! Usability first, special effects second, not the otherway around!
Ignore negative comments and trolls - there aren't any negatives in TDE. Any negative comments are made by people that don't understand the basic concepts of desktop computing. However, You do! TDE does, you've done it right, You are on the right path. Keep up! TDE has done it right!
(I think based on my feedback, you can tell I have been a Windows user but with TDE, *literally*, that is changing. Again, awesome work, keep up the good work. I am a hobby developer BCB, VC++, AMX, I might even contribute with code (C++ here) in the future).
P.S. You need to do something about your site - it looks a little bit plain!! My colleague at work said, "before I start using a product, I first look at their web site and if it doesn't look professional...etc etc". Either way I explained to him that "TDE is an exception" and I encourage him try it. Don't make the site bloated, just make it less plain.
P.S. I introduce TDE to people at work, showing them screenshots and pointing them at the download URL. Everyone of us should all do the same and I encourage every single one of us to donate and support this project.
Cheers
On Friday 02 December 2011 09:51:59 Sashko - wrote:
P.S. You need to do something about your site - it looks a little bit plain!! My colleague at work said, "before I start using a product, I first look at their web site and if it doesn't look professional...etc etc". Either way I explained to him that "TDE is an exception" and I encourage him try it. Don't make the site bloated, just make it less plain.
There are several viewpoints on this. For me, because I am partially sighted, it is very unusually usable. It is marvellous! And I am sure that I am not alone in this. Yet again, TDE has put usability before glitz.
You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting usability before glitz and bling is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love TDE's site. I can read everything!!
Lisi
On 12/2/2011 10:07 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 02 December 2011 09:51:59 Sashko - wrote:
You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting usability before glitz and bling is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love TDE's site. I can read everything!!
Lisi
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No, all I am saying is that TDE is the *only* desktop environment where things actually
1. Make sense 2. Work one would expect and no I am not referring to my self only. These are standards on general desktop operating systems. One would expect Copy and Paste to work, one would expect Drag&Drop to work and that is why it is called desktop computing. Why would you need special effects with flying windows if the DE doesn't meet the basics? Take latest Linux Mint 12 for example. Why can't I drag icons to the panel? Ok it doesn't meet my needs so I looked else where and I found it. Everyone keeps reinventing the wheel without making any imporvements! With XFCE 4.8, why can't I drag folders to the panel? Also many times I click "Copy" to copy a file from Thunar, go to another location and Paste is disabled....I can go on and on.....but I already said what I like about TDE and I encourage Timothy to continue.
Cheers
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You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting usability before glitz and bling is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
That's not what I picked up at all from his post, ;-) He is merely expressing an opinion that I have heard from others as well. That being said, I don't know how to make the site look more "professional" without sacrificing functionality/usability--thoughts on this are welcome, and doing nothing is always an option!
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love TDE's site. I can read everything!!
Thanks! Calvin deserves a lot of the credit for the nice CSS theme though.
Tim
On 2 December 2011 22:15, Timothy Pearson kb9vqf@pearsoncomputing.netwrote:
<snip> > You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting usability before glitz and > bling > is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do > what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
That's not what I picked up at all from his post, ;-) He is merely expressing an opinion that I have heard from others as well. That being said, I don't know how to make the site look more "professional" without sacrificing functionality/usability--thoughts on this are welcome, and doing nothing is always an option!
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love TDE's site. I can read everything!!
Thanks! Calvin deserves a lot of the credit for the nice CSS theme though.
Tim
There is always this endless struggle to keep things simple and clean, and the struggle to make it look like less of an eyesore.
Darrell has worked up a-lot of good ideas for the website ( strictly textual, not formatting ) but when we get the time to go back and review and make those changes, maybe we can take the time to quell any uproar about the appearance.
I am interested in specifical thoughts regarding the website, "more professional" is hard for me to work with. Anything we can do to make it better is great, but we don't want to waste our time either.
This goes for everyone, I'd love to hear some ideas,
Thanks Calvin Morrison
There is always this endless struggle to keep things simple and clean, and the struggle to make it look like less of an eyesore.
Darrell has worked up a-lot of good ideas for the website ( strictly textual, not formatting ) but when we get the time to go back and review and make those changes, maybe we can take the time to quell any uproar about the appearance.
I am interested in specifical thoughts regarding the website, "more professional" is hard for me to work with. Anything we can do to make it better is great, but we don't want to waste our time either.
This goes for everyone, I'd love to hear some ideas,
Thanks Calvin Morrison
I know it's not much help, but "polished" could be used as well as "professional". The only thing that comes to mind right now would be a font size/style policy, to make the site look less thrown-together. Having only a handful of allowed font size/styles to choose from would give a better impression of cohesiveness IMHO. Such a policy would also dictate which fonts to use for headers (and what constitutes a header/levels of headers!) and main body text, etc.
Tim
On 12/3/2011 3:04 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I know it's not much help, but "polished" could be used as well as "professional". The only thing that comes to mind right now would be a font size/style policy, to make the site look less thrown-together. Having only a handful of allowed font size/styles to choose from would give a better impression of cohesiveness IMHO. Such a policy would also dictate which fonts to use for headers (and what constitutes a header/levels of headers!) and main body text, etc.
Guys, just want to add something. Yes, "polished" is the word I should have used. I apologize. It is only an opinion (my personal opinion) and as others have stated, you shouldn't waste too much time on a website as the project itself is more important. Just like TDE, your website is very usable. I was only commenting on its appearance. I had no issues finding links at all. The top bar is very friendly. The "Official Trinity Binaries" section on your front page is informative and usable. Probably Calvin has spent a lot of time on the site and I didn't mean to underestimate his work at all. I know my post looks that way, I apologize. I should have been more specific. Again, I meant "polished" and not professional. As an example, you can look at the appearance of kubuntu.org. Again, the site is very usable (which is very important).
Sashko - wrote:
Guys, just want to add something. Yes, "polished" is the word I should have used. I apologize. It is only an opinion (my personal opinion) and as others have stated, you shouldn't waste too much time on a website as the project itself is more important. Just like TDE, your website is very usable. I was only commenting on its appearance. I had no issues finding links at all. The top bar is very friendly. The "Official Trinity Binaries" section on your front page is informative and usable. Probably Calvin has spent a lot of time on the site and I didn't mean to underestimate his work at all. I know my post looks that way, I apologize. I should have been more specific. Again, I meant "polished" and not professional. As an example, you can look at the appearance of kubuntu.org. Again, the site is very usable (which is very important).
Kubuntu.org would be suboptimal on dialup. There's a good 200+ kb of images involved, though removing that giant release announcement banner would chop it in half. For comparison, trinitydesktop.org is currently under 10kb in total, including the one logo image.
On 3 December 2011 16:35, Old Laptop oldlaptop654@aol.com wrote:
Sashko - wrote:
Guys, just want to add something. Yes, "polished" is the word I should have used. I apologize. It is only an opinion (my personal opinion) and as others have stated, you shouldn't waste too much time on a website as the project itself is more important. Just like TDE, your website is very usable. I was only commenting on its appearance. I had no issues finding links at all. The top bar is very friendly. The "Official Trinity Binaries" section on your front page is informative and usable. Probably Calvin has spent a lot of time on the site and I didn't mean to underestimate his work at all. I know my post looks that way, I apologize. I should have been more specific. Again, I meant "polished" and not professional. As an example, you can look at the appearance of kubuntu.org. Again, the site is very usable (which is very important).
Kubuntu.org would be suboptimal on dialup. There's a good 200+ kb of images involved, though removing that giant release announcement banner would chop it in half. For comparison, trinitydesktop.org is currently under 10kb in total, including the one logo image.
Not just dialup, but for accessability. It's quite hard to navigate new websites using screen readers and text to speech utilities for the blind and sight impared. Not only that but this webpage will load on all HTML4 compatible clients, which means anything from dillo, midori, chromium, elinks, lynx, curl, whatever works perfectly well.
Calvin Morrison
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