2 Dec
2011
2 Dec
'11
9:51 a.m.
Hello Timothy,
I just want to say that you are doing a marvelous job with TDE. Words
cannot express how happy I am with TDE. Basically, TDE is a dream come
true. I don't know whether you get any feedback or not but as a developer
I know that feedback is extremely important - it motivates developers do
more coding and improve their work!
I had been looking for a proper Linux Desktop since the time I first
started experimenting with Linux - 1998. Every single DE until TDE came
out has/had been a major disappointment. It has been a major
disappointment because basic concepts of desktop computing such as
Drag&Drop, Search, Copy/Paste, Print Screen etc have not been met and are
not working and this happens right now with some well known DEs with
their latest releases...
TDE however is addressing all of these concepts and goes way beyond. TDE
meets and it well
exceeds the basic concepts of desktop computing!
What I like about TDE?
- I can drop any icon/shortcut to the panel - be it a folder, shortcut,
image or a URL from any window regardless what toolkit it is using (I have
tried both GTK and QT)! I can even drag browser URLs into the panel! The
basic concepts of desktop computing!! This is like Windows!! Well done!!
- When I drag the object/icon on the panel (rearranging icons), the space
between the icons is evenly adjusted automatically between the
shortcuts/icons! This is simply awesome!! The basic concepts of desktop
computing!! Well done!!! Basic concepts of desktop computing are actually
working in TDE! Well done!!
- The Search field on the top right of KNQ is awesome! Well done!! It
works better than Windows and it is very quick!!
- Find Files and Folders dialog - Well done!! Well done!!!
- The Search in the T menu - awesome work!! Well done! (I just wish it
could be moved to the bottom but no biggie) - Well done!!
- Print Screen!! Well done!! It works from any app from any widget
regardless which widget has the focus! I have seen poor attempts in the
past where some DEs try to make Print Screen work like in Windows but the
funny thing is it only works when the desktop itself is focused. Once it
looses the focus it does not work. The PRNT SCR stroke is not captured.
Yours however is done the right way! It seems to bypass the focused widget
ignoring its keystroke events and it travels all the way and it captures the
screenshot. Again, basics of desktop computing. *Well Done!!!*
- Mounted drive icons on the desktop - the tooltip and the property dialog
box show the device they are pointing to - e.g: /dev/sdb2 - Well done!
Marvelous job!! With other DEs I have to use long-cuts to find out
what/where everything is! Again, well done!!!
- Your Quick Launch applet on the panel - again, it works pretty much
like the Windows one with full Drag&Drop support from any window and
spaces between icons are automatically and evenly adjusted - Well done!!!
- Right click context menus from the T menu (Copy To Run Dialog, Edit
Menu Entry
etc) - Absolutely marvelous!!
I just donated to show my support. Please continue the excellent work!
Words cannot express the high quality of your work. I can see true
professionalism and potential! Well done!!
Any way, please keep up the current path and do not make the same mistake
other teams have done. The basics of desktop computing in other DEs are
not working
and they give us these flashy and useless special effects instead!
Usability first,
special effects second, not the otherway around!
Ignore negative comments and trolls - there aren't any negatives in TDE.
Any negative comments are made by people that don't understand the basic
concepts of desktop computing. However, You do! TDE does, you've done it
right, You are on the right path. Keep up! TDE has done it right!
(I think based on my feedback, you can tell I have been a Windows user
but with
TDE, *literally*, that is changing. Again, awesome work, keep up the
good work. I am a hobby developer BCB, VC++, AMX, I might even contribute
with code (C++ here) in the future).
P.S. You need to do something about your site - it looks a little bit
plain!! My colleague at work said, "before I start using a product, I
first look at their web site and if it doesn't look professional...etc
etc". Either way I explained to him that "TDE is an exception" and I
encourage him try it. Don't make the site bloated, just make it less plain.
P.S. I introduce TDE to people at work, showing them screenshots and
pointing them
at the download URL. Everyone of us should all do the same and I
encourage every single
one of us to donate and support this project.
Cheers
2 Dec
2 Dec
11:07 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
On Friday 02 December 2011 09:51:59 Sashko - wrote:
P.S. You need to do something about your site - it
looks a little bit
plain!! My colleague at work said, "before I start using a product, I
first look at their web site and if it doesn't look professional...etc
etc". Either way I explained to him that "TDE is an exception" and I
encourage him try it. Don't make the site bloated, just make it less plain.
There are several viewpoints on this. For me, because I am partially sighted,
it is very unusually usable. It is marvellous! And I am sure that I am not
alone in this. Yet again, TDE has put usability before glitz.
You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting usability before glitz and bling
is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do
what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love TDE's
site. I can read everything!!
Lisi
1:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
On 12/2/2011 10:07 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Friday 02 December 2011 09:51:59 Sashko - wrote:
You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting usability before glitz and bling
is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do
what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love TDE's
site. I can read everything!!
Lisi
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No, all I am saying is that TDE is the *only* desktop environment where
things actually
1. Make sense
2. Work one would expect and no I am not referring to my self only.
These are standards on general desktop operating systems. One would
expect Copy and Paste to work, one would expect Drag&Drop to work and
that is why it is called desktop computing. Why would you need special
effects with flying windows if the DE doesn't meet the basics? Take
latest Linux Mint 12 for example. Why can't I drag icons to the panel?
Ok it doesn't meet my needs so I looked else where and I found it.
Everyone keeps reinventing the wheel without making any imporvements!
With XFCE 4.8, why can't I drag folders to the panel? Also many times I
click "Copy" to copy a file from Thunar, go to another location and
Paste is disabled....I can go on and on.....but I already said what I
like about TDE and I encourage Timothy to continue.
Cheers
3 Dec
3 Dec
3:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
<snip>
You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting
usability before glitz and
bling
is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can do
what you want to do, the rest of us can go hang???
That's not what I picked up at all from his post, ;-) He is merely
expressing an opinion that I have heard from others as well. That being
said, I don't know how to make the site look more "professional" without
sacrificing functionality/usability--thoughts on this are welcome, and
doing nothing is always an option!
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love
TDE's
site. I can read everything!!
Thanks! Calvin deserves a lot of the credit for the nice CSS theme though.
Tim
3:33 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
On 2 December 2011 22:15, Timothy Pearson <kb9vqf(a)pearsoncomputing.net>wrote;wrote:
<snip>
There is always this endless struggle to keep things simple and clean, and
the struggle to make it look like less of an eyesore.
Darrell has worked up a-lot of good ideas for the website ( strictly
textual, not formatting ) but when we get the time to go back and review
and make those changes, maybe we can take the time to quell any uproar
about the appearance.
I am interested in specifical thoughts regarding the website, "more
professional" is hard for me to work with. Anything we can do to make it
better is great, but we don't want to waste our time either.
This goes for everyone, I'd love to hear some ideas,
Thanks
Calvin Morrison
You say elsewhere in your eulogy that putting
usability before glitz and
bling
is one of TDE's strengths. But it would appear that so long as you can
do
what you want to do, the rest of us can go
hang???
That's not what I picked up at all from his post, ;-) He is merely
expressing an opinion that I have heard from others as well. That being
said, I don't know how to make the site look more "professional" without
sacrificing functionality/usability--thoughts on this are welcome, and
doing nothing is always an option!
Thank you, Timothy, for aiming at inclusivity not exclusivity. I love
TDE's
site. I can read everything!!
Thanks! Calvin deserves a lot of the credit for the nice CSS theme though.
Tim
4:04 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
There is always this endless struggle to keep things
simple and clean, and
the struggle to make it look like less of an eyesore.
Darrell has worked up a-lot of good ideas for the website ( strictly
textual, not formatting ) but when we get the time to go back and review
and make those changes, maybe we can take the time to quell any uproar
about the appearance.
I am interested in specifical thoughts regarding the website, "more
professional" is hard for me to work with. Anything we can do to make it
better is great, but we don't want to waste our time either.
This goes for everyone, I'd love to hear some ideas,
Thanks
Calvin Morrison
I know it's not much help, but "polished" could be used as well as
"professional". The only thing that comes to mind right now would be a
font size/style policy, to make the site look less thrown-together.
Having only a handful of allowed font size/styles to choose from would
give a better impression of cohesiveness IMHO. Such a policy would also
dictate which fonts to use for headers (and what constitutes a
header/levels of headers!) and main body text, etc.
Tim
8:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
On 12/3/2011 3:04 PM, Timothy Pearson wrote:
I know it's not much help, but
"polished" could be used as well as
"professional". The only thing that comes to mind right now would be a
font size/style policy, to make the site look less thrown-together.
Having only a handful of allowed font size/styles to choose from would
give a better impression of cohesiveness IMHO. Such a policy would also
dictate which fonts to use for headers (and what constitutes a
header/levels of headers!) and main body text, etc.
Guys, just want to add
something. Yes, "polished" is the word I should
have used.
I apologize. It is only an opinion (my personal opinion) and as others
have stated,
you shouldn't waste too much time on a website as the project itself is
more important.
Just like TDE, your website is very usable. I was only commenting on its
appearance. I had
no issues finding links at all. The top bar is very friendly. The
"Official Trinity Binaries" section
on your front page is informative and usable. Probably Calvin has spent
a lot of time on the site
and I didn't mean to underestimate his work at all. I know my post looks
that way, I apologize.
I should have been more specific. Again, I meant "polished" and not
professional. As an example,
you can look at the appearance of kubuntu.org. Again, the site is very
usable (which is very important).
9:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
Sashko - wrote:
Guys, just want to add something. Yes,
"polished" is the word I should
have used.
I apologize. It is only an opinion (my personal opinion) and as others
have stated,
you shouldn't waste too much time on a website as the project itself
is more important.
Just like TDE, your website is very usable. I was only commenting on
its appearance. I had
no issues finding links at all. The top bar is very friendly. The
"Official Trinity Binaries" section
on your front page is informative and usable. Probably Calvin has
spent a lot of time on the site
and I didn't mean to underestimate his work at all. I know my post
looks that way, I apologize.
I should have been more specific. Again, I meant "polished" and not
professional. As an example,
you can look at the appearance of kubuntu.org. Again, the site is very
usable (which is very important).
Kubuntu.org would be suboptimal on dialup. There's a good 200+ kb of
images involved, though removing that giant release announcement banner
would chop it in half. For comparison, trinitydesktop.org is currently
under 10kb in total, including the one logo image.
9:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Trinity Desktop Environment Feedback
On 3 December 2011 16:35, Old Laptop <oldlaptop654(a)aol.com> wrote:
Sashko - wrote:
Not just dialup, but for accessability. It's quite hard to navigate new
websites using screen readers and text to speech utilities for the blind
and sight impared. Not only that but this webpage will load on all HTML4
compatible clients, which means anything from dillo, midori, chromium,
elinks, lynx, curl, whatever works perfectly well.
Calvin Morrison
Guys, just want to add something. Yes,
"polished" is the word I should
have used.
I apologize. It is only an opinion (my personal opinion) and as others
have stated,
you shouldn't waste too much time on a website as the project itself is
more important.
Just like TDE, your website is very usable. I was only commenting on its
appearance. I had
no issues finding links at all. The top bar is very friendly. The
"Official Trinity Binaries" section
on your front page is informative and usable. Probably Calvin has spent a
lot of time on the site
and I didn't mean to underestimate his work at all. I know my post looks
that way, I apologize.
I should have been more specific. Again, I meant "polished" and not
professional. As an example,
you can look at the appearance of kubuntu.org. Again, the site is very
usable (which is very important).
Kubuntu.org would be suboptimal on dialup. There's a good 200+ kb of
images involved, though removing that giant release announcement banner
would chop it in half. For comparison, trinitydesktop.org is currently
under 10kb in total, including the one logo image.
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