I always use useTheme=false in tdmrc. It has been the best theme of any login greeter ever created, until recently, when the login UI became tacky looking with an extra title line. It used to default to Welcome to Trinity at hostname login password That changed to * Trinity Desktop Environment ------------------------------ Welcome to Trinity at hostname login password I don't see a way in tdmrc or TCC to select either one or the other instead of both. Is there a way? The instant case triggering my composing this is on Mageia, but I've seen it on multiple installations, and I don't think all were Mageia. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata