This issue just started, seemingly out of the blue. My system has been running just fine, and I haven't made any changes or installed anything new or upgraded in a long time.
The first signs I had were earlier this evening, when suddenly one of my external hard drives was not recognized. When I tried mounting and unmounting, everything seemed very slow; still couldn't get it to recognize that external hard drive. Finally I unmounted everything, then tried just that hard drive, and it mounted normally.
When I tried to open it, however, Konqueror started acting really weird, and a window opened but nothing was displayed.
At last I decided to reinstall my system, but after booting up again, nothing has changed in this behavior. I did finally get a message window (not in TDE style, but rather in XFCE or Gnome or whatever) saying something like "message bus could not connect, connection refused - but why all of a sudden? Everything has been running great.
It occurs to me that somebody on the mailing list mentioned that Konqueror was acting a little weird, and I wondered if this could be related.
I am running Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye) and currently using the TDE stable repositories.
Any help would be appreciated.
Bill
I could be wrong but this sounds like a smart failure or a cable connection error.
Shutdown the box, unplug it, press the power button for 20s, then unplug and replug the harddrive in. BE CAREFUL. Check the connection on the board as well. BE CAREFUL. They can go "stale".
If that doesn't help, the IDE (intergrated device electronics) on the hard drive may be failing.
Unmount it and run some tests using GSmartControl. This is common behavior of a dying electronics on an otherwise healthy hard drive.
Hope this helps,
Kate
On Wednesday 27 April 2022 09:31:44 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
This issue just started, seemingly out of the blue. My system has been running just fine, and I haven't made any changes or installed anything new or upgraded in a long time.
The first signs I had were earlier this evening, when suddenly one of my external hard drives was not recognized. When I tried mounting and unmounting, everything seemed very slow; still couldn't get it to recognize that external hard drive. Finally I unmounted everything, then tried just that hard drive, and it mounted normally.
When I tried to open it, however, Konqueror started acting really weird, and a window opened but nothing was displayed.
At last I decided to reinstall my system, but after booting up again, nothing has changed in this behavior. I did finally get a message window (not in TDE style, but rather in XFCE or Gnome or whatever) saying something like "message bus could not connect, connection refused - but why all of a sudden? Everything has been running great.
It occurs to me that somebody on the mailing list mentioned that Konqueror was acting a little weird, and I wondered if this could be related.
I am running Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye) and currently using the TDE stable repositories.
Any help would be appreciated.
Bill
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On Wednesday 27 April 2022 17:33:19 Borg Labs wrote:
I could be wrong but this sounds like a smart failure or a cable connection error.
Shutdown the box, unplug it, press the power button for 20s, then unplug and replug the harddrive in. BE CAREFUL. Check the connection on the board as well. BE CAREFUL. They can go "stale".
If that doesn't help, the IDE (intergrated device electronics) on the hard drive may be failing.
Unmount it and run some tests using GSmartControl. This is common behavior of a dying electronics on an otherwise healthy hard drive.
Hope this helps,
Kate
These are WD EasyStore 4 TB hard drives. They are compact, about the size of a pack of cigarettes, or playing cards. The only power comes from the connection to the laptop itself. However, I do use a 4-port USB hub. I am thinking that maybe I ought to use a USB hub with power supply, and maybe that will help. But I've been using everything like this now for at least 4 months with no problems, aside from my usual complaints in set up (e.g., reformatting the drives with Linux filesystems, getting them to mount and unmount properly and without much trouble, etc.
I will nearly always have at least two of them connected and mounted, because the contain working files and my music collection, respectively; the other two are the ones that seem to give me this headache. The contain only videos, films, TV shows, documentaries, and such. The first two still have a lot of free space; the last two (the videos) are each about 3/4 full. I am thinking maybe that could be the problem: that it's just taking too long for my laptop to read them, because there's so much? But, as I said, they've been working just fine for the past four months.
Bill
This can happen due to something like a dirty bit on ntfs, try fixntfs or try another cable also has Kate said try smart to see if the drive is OK. Best idea actually would be to plug in to a windows box if you can get to one and that will repair filesystem problems better than fixntfs. Alie
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On Thu, 28 Apr 2022 at 1:54, William Morder via tde-usersusers@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On Wednesday 27 April 2022 17:33:19 Borg Labs wrote:
I could be wrong but this sounds like a smart failure or a cable connection error.
Shutdown the box, unplug it, press the power button for 20s, then unplug and replug the harddrive in. BE CAREFUL. Check the connection on the board as well. BE CAREFUL. They can go "stale".
If that doesn't help, the IDE (intergrated device electronics) on the hard drive may be failing.
Unmount it and run some tests using GSmartControl. This is common behavior of a dying electronics on an otherwise healthy hard drive.
Hope this helps,
Kate
These are WD EasyStore 4 TB hard drives. They are compact, about the size of a pack of cigarettes, or playing cards. The only power comes from the connection to the laptop itself. However, I do use a 4-port USB hub. I am thinking that maybe I ought to use a USB hub with power supply, and maybe that will help. But I've been using everything like this now for at least 4 months with no problems, aside from my usual complaints in set up (e.g., reformatting the drives with Linux filesystems, getting them to mount and unmount properly and without much trouble, etc.
I will nearly always have at least two of them connected and mounted, because the contain working files and my music collection, respectively; the other two are the ones that seem to give me this headache. The contain only videos, films, TV shows, documentaries, and such. The first two still have a lot of free space; the last two (the videos) are each about 3/4 full. I am thinking maybe that could be the problem: that it's just taking too long for my laptop to read them, because there's so much? But, as I said, they've been working just fine for the past four months.
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On Wednesday 27 April 2022 22:02:11 alistair izzard via tde-users wrote:
This can happen due to something like a dirty bit on ntfs, try fixntfs or try another cable also has Kate said try smart to see if the drive is OK. Best idea actually would be to plug in to a windows box if you can get to one and that will repair filesystem problems better than fixntfs. Alie
I formatted these drives as ext3, not ntfs, so connecting to a Windoze machine will never happen.
Probably it is what Kate has already suggested, and as I was beginning to suspect. I might need to get another power supply or adapter, since the cooling pad for my laptop uses the same size adapter. Probably more power is all that is needed. I have 3 usb 3.0 ports on my machine, but they get used up fast. I try to use a single machine to do too many different things.
The simple, easy solution is that I need to get myself moved into a bigger place, somewhere that I can have a nerd cave, a room where I would have several machines running. For the present, though, I must make do.
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
At last I decided to reinstall my system, but after booting up again, nothing has changed in this behavior. I did finally get a message window (not in TDE style, but rather in XFCE or Gnome or whatever) saying something like "message bus could not connect, connection refused - but why all of a sudden? Everything has been running great.
in some case the dbus server is spawning too many messages and gets exhausted. I have seen it few times, when testing with dbus
I am not sure about XFCE, but Gnome is using dbus heavily which brings me to the question why would you use Devuan when using Gnome as Devuan is without systemd, but systemd plays significant role in the context of Gnome and both are integrating with and relying to dbus.
It occurs to me that somebody on the mailing list mentioned that Konqueror was acting a little weird, and I wondered if this could be related.
Konqueror (and TDE) do not use dbus although there are few exceptions.
I am running Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye) and currently using the TDE stable repositories.
Any help would be appreciated.
To find out what is going on (next time) use dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system dbus-monitor --session
hopefully you can find out which application was responsible for exhausting the dbus.
BR
On Thursday 28 April 2022 12:57:00 pm deloptes wrote:
To find out what is going on (next time) use dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system dbus-monitor --session
If you have an HD that isn't an issue, then you can just dump the output to a logfile:
dbus-monitor --system > /home/user/logs/dbus-monitor-system.log {etc., fix as needed}
Then mount/unmount until your system behaves badly again...
See for formatting options: https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html
On Thursday 28 April 2022 11:38:10 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 28 April 2022 12:57:00 pm deloptes wrote:
To find out what is going on (next time) use dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system dbus-monitor --sessionIf you have an HD that isn't an issue, then you can just dump the output to a logfile:
dbus-monitor --system > /home/user/logs/dbus-monitor-system.log {etc., fix as needed}
Then mount/unmount until your system behaves badly again...
See for formatting options: https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html
Just thought that I ought to tell what I discovered. As usual, the solution is something much more unimaginative and basic.
Indeed it was merely a problem of lack of power. I was trying to attach 4 different portable USB hard drives to my laptop via an unpowered 4-port USB hub, and my machine couldn't keep up with the demand as I added more video files to the last two of the hard drives.
What puzzled me was, they worked just fine for the first four months or so.
Both my Belkin USB hub and the mini hard drives (all are WD easystore) themselves have very short cords, and when I set up my laptop, I no longer had anywhere to put the hard drives, and the cords were too short, which would have left them dangling in space.
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to attach the 4-port USB hub to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't really give it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0 ports, the hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they even make them any more?
Bill
On Friday 06 May 2022 08:53:57 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Thursday 28 April 2022 11:38:10 Michael wrote:
On Thursday 28 April 2022 12:57:00 pm deloptes wrote:
To find out what is going on (next time) use dbus-monitor
dbus-monitor --system dbus-monitor --sessionIf you have an HD that isn't an issue, then you can just dump the output to a logfile:
dbus-monitor --system > /home/user/logs/dbus-monitor-system.log {etc., fix as needed}
Then mount/unmount until your system behaves badly again...
See for formatting options: https://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/dbus-monitor.1.html
Just thought that I ought to tell what I discovered. As usual, the solution is something much more unimaginative and basic.
Indeed it was merely a problem of lack of power. I was trying to attach 4 different portable USB hard drives to my laptop via an unpowered 4-port USB hub, and my machine couldn't keep up with the demand as I added more video files to the last two of the hard drives.
What puzzled me was, they worked just fine for the first four months or so.
Both my Belkin USB hub and the mini hard drives (all are WD easystore) themselves have very short cords, and when I set up my laptop, I no longer had anywhere to put the hard drives, and the cords were too short, which would have left them dangling in space.
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to attach the 4-port USB hub to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't really give it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0 ports, the hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they even make them any more?
Bill ____________________________________________________
So many details were missing.
1. Longer cords mean more power loss 2. Not all USB cord are also power cords (some are data only). 3. Rabbits and Hares, are in the same family but aren't the same. 4. 1.0 UBS cables are not compatible with 3.0.
So, just get a powered up and a usb 3.0 cable but NO longer than 1.5 meters. After that, there is a sharp decline in power and data speeds and you are very likely to suffer data loss, disconnections and very possibly damager to the hard drives do to under powering the motor.
Good luck
Kate
On Fri, 6 May 2022 17:53:57 -0700 William Morder via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to attach the 4-port USB hub to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't really give it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0 ports, the hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they even make them any more?
Sure—they're all over Amazon. Although if you're going to be abusing the ports that way, you might want to consider a powered hub, if you can stand having to deal with Yet Another Power Cord.
E. Liddell
On Saturday 07 May 2022 11:59:20 E. Liddell wrote:
On Fri, 6 May 2022 17:53:57 -0700
William Morder via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
So, the culprit: I used an old USB extension cord to attach the 4-port USB hub to the laptop. The USB extension cord is rather old, and I didn't really give it a thought; but it's probably 1.0, whereas the laptop has 3.0 ports, the hub is 3.0, and the hard drives themselves are probably 3.0, too, I believe.
I hope that I can find some newer USB extension cords. I wonder, do they even make them any more?
Sure—they're all over Amazon. Although if you're going to be abusing the ports that way, you might want to consider a powered hub, if you can stand having to deal with Yet Another Power Cord.
E. Liddell
Simplest thing for me is just to get a new cooling pad, then I will have a new power cord for that item. I have found that cooling pads definitely extend the life of a laptop.
Then I can use my powered USB hub as intended, with power cord.
But anyway, I don't normally have them all attached, mounted and running at the same time. It is just that I have generally had them mounted as I was tranferring my files from older hard drives taken from my desktop computer. Now that pretty much everything is transferred and consolidated, I don't need to keep them running.
Bill
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