In kmail, Settings => Composer contains "Templates" and "Custom Templates" tabs, and Folder => Properties also has a "Templates" tab. It seems to me I remember someone here saying that he uses templates to autofill the To field of new emails; which of these three provides that capability? The Help Center manual for kmail mentions none of them, but has information for a "Phrases" tab in Settings => Composer, which I suppose was superceded by the templates?
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.1 tde-config: 1.0
On Saturday 04 May 2024 18:48:46 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
In kmail, Settings => Composer contains "Templates" and "Custom Templates" tabs, and Folder => Properties also has a "Templates" tab. It seems to me I remember someone here saying that he uses templates to autofill the To field of new emails; which of these three provides that capability? The Help Center manual for kmail mentions none of them, but has information for a "Phrases" tab in Settings => Composer, which I suppose was superceded by the templates?
Leslie
Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.1 tde-config: 1.0
Yes, I create email templates for my most frequent correspondents; for example, the TDE mailing list.
See attachment for a screenshot of an email template.
At the top left corner in Kmail 1) Click File, then navigate through New to New Message: then create a new message. 2) In the new email itself (before sending), look again at the top left corner, click Message, then Save as Template. 3) Return to Kmail main page. At top left corner again, click file, then New Message from Template. All your fields will be filled in.
The advantage here is not just time-saving, but also it helps not to send to other people's private email addresses, but rather to the mailing list. Also, I like to send a bcc to myself, so that I know emails are getting sent and received (i.e., no network issues, etc.).
Bill
On 2024-05-04 21:12:52 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 04 May 2024 18:48:46 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
In kmail, Settings => Composer contains "Templates" and "Custom Templates" tabs, and Folder => Properties also has a "Templates" tab. It seems to me I remember someone here saying that he uses templates to autofill the To field of new emails; which of these three provides that capability? The Help Center manual for kmail mentions none of them, but has information for a "Phrases" tab in Settings => Composer, which I suppose was superceded by the templates?
Leslie
Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.1 tde-config: 1.0
Yes, I create email templates for my most frequent correspondents; for example, the TDE mailing list.
See attachment for a screenshot of an email template.
At the top left corner in Kmail 1) Click File, then navigate through New to New Message: then create a new message. 2) In the new email itself (before sending), look again at the top left corner, click Message, then Save as Template. 3) Return to Kmail main page. At top left corner again, click file, then New Message from Template. All your fields will be filled in.
The advantage here is not just time-saving, but also it helps not to send to other people's private email addresses, but rather to the mailing list. Also, I like to send a bcc to myself, so that I know emails are getting sent and received (i.e., no network issues, etc.).
Bill
Interesting; none of the fancy settings dialogs for templates are capable of doing that, and the Help Center description of the kmail File menu entry shows File => New Window without the other three options.
Thanks for explaining how it really works. :-)
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.1 tde-config: 1.0
On 2024-05-04 21:31:33 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Interesting; none of the fancy settings dialogs for templates are capable of doing that, and the Help Center description of the kmail File menu entry shows File => New Window without the other three options.
Thanks for explaining how it really works. :-)
Leslie
OTOH, the Templates tab of the Folder => Properties dialog is useful for overriding the default top-posting format, by enabling "Use custom message templates" to rearrange the fields in the "Reply to All / Reply to List" entry, and highlighting a message and using the Reply => Reply to Mailing List toolbar button or the (unshifted) L hotkey. Using the built-in templates, though, doesn't provide a way to fill in the header fields like Bill's method does.
Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 (x86_64) Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.1 tde-config: 1.0
On Saturday 04 May 2024 19:45:25 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
On 2024-05-04 21:31:33 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Interesting; none of the fancy settings dialogs for templates are capable of doing that, and the Help Center description of the kmail File menu entry shows File => New Window without the other three options.
Thanks for explaining how it really works. :-)
I don't know if it is how it "really" works, just that I got it to work for me. The feature is there, after all; I can't understand why it wouldn't be mentioned in the help pages.
Leslie
OTOH, the Templates tab of the Folder => Properties dialog is useful for overriding the default top-posting format, by enabling "Use custom message templates" to rearrange the fields in the "Reply to All / Reply to List" entry, and highlighting a message and using the Reply => Reply to Mailing List toolbar button or the (unshifted) L hotkey. Using the built-in templates, though, doesn't provide a way to fill in the header fields like Bill's method does.
Leslie
It would be nice if these two could be combined; that one could open one of the built-in templates, change the address fields and whatever, then save as a custom template.
I don't know if it's possible. I'll leave that to others to try. Otherwise, maybe it ought to be a feature request?
Bill
On 2024-05-05 00:51:21 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 04 May 2024 19:45:25 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
On 2024-05-04 21:31:33 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
Interesting; none of the fancy settings dialogs for templates are capable of doing that, and the Help Center description of the kmail File menu entry shows File => New Window without the other three options.
Thanks for explaining how it really works. :-)
I don't know if it is how it "really" works, just that I got it to work for me. The feature is there, after all; I can't understand why it wouldn't be mentioned in the help pages.
Leslie
OTOH, the Templates tab of the Folder => Properties dialog is useful for overriding the default top-posting format, by enabling "Use custom message templates" to rearrange the fields in the "Reply to All / Reply to List" entry, and highlighting a message and using the Reply => Reply to Mailing List toolbar button or the (unshifted) L hotkey. Using the built-in templates, though, doesn't provide a way to fill in the header fields like Bill's method does.
Leslie
It would be nice if these two could be combined; that one could open one of the built-in templates, change the address fields and whatever, then save as a custom template.
I don't know if it's possible. I'll leave that to others to try. Otherwise, maybe it ought to be a feature request?
Bill
Yes, I think so. I'll see about adding the request. There are some other things about templates that I've noticed aren't working properly; I think I'll include them as well.
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On Sunday 05 May 2024 00:33:39 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
OTOH, the Templates tab of the Folder => Properties dialog is useful for overriding the default top-posting format, by enabling "Use custom message templates" to rearrange the fields in the "Reply to All / Reply to List" entry, and highlighting a message and using the Reply => Reply to Mailing List toolbar button or the (unshifted) L hotkey. Using the built-in templates, though, doesn't provide a way to fill in the header fields like Bill's method does.
Leslie
It would be nice if these two could be combined; that one could open one of the built-in templates, change the address fields and whatever, then save as a custom template.
I don't know if it's possible. I'll leave that to others to try. Otherwise, maybe it ought to be a feature request?
Bill
Yes, I think so. I'll see about adding the request. There are some other things about templates that I've noticed aren't working properly; I think I'll include them as well.
Leslie
%INCLUDE="/usr/local/etc/SystemID/SystemID-Desktop.txt"
It occurred to me that a feature request for Kmail to "reply to sender using custom template" might be good. The reason is that, like probably most of us, when I click to hit reply, my "Reply to" address always, invariably, gives my personal email rather than the TDE mailing list.
Even though I am using my custom template for the TDE mailing list, with all the other fields properly filled in, when I hit reply (even if, on both ends, sender and receiver are using that template, I still end up sending out my personal email as "Reply to"; so that when the person on the other end replies, then I get two emails, one sent to the mailing list, the other sent to my own email.
This snag rather defeats the idea of using templates, and even more messes up the whole concept of a common mailing list address that we all share.
So I am forking off this thread specially for kmail templates & feature requests. There are one or two other minor tweaks that I have in mind. This seemed like the right time to bring it up.
Bill
On 2024-05-06 11:22:13 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Sunday 05 May 2024 00:33:39 J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
: Leslie -- %INCLUDE="/usr/local/etc/SystemID/SystemID-Desktop.txt"
It occurred to me that a feature request for Kmail to "reply to sender using custom template" might be good. The reason is that, like probably most of us, when I click to hit reply, my "Reply to" address always, invariably, gives my personal email rather than the TDE mailing list.
Even though I am using my custom template for the TDE mailing list, with all the other fields properly filled in, when I hit reply (even if, on both ends, sender and receiver are using that template, I still end up sending out my personal email as "Reply to"; so that when the person on the other end replies, then I get two emails, one sent to the mailing list, the other sent to my own email.
This snag rather defeats the idea of using templates, and even more messes up the whole concept of a common mailing list address that we all share.
So I am forking off this thread specially for kmail templates & feature requests. There are one or two other minor tweaks that I have in mind. This seemed like the right time to bring it up.
Bill
There are a lot of things to think about here.
There are a number of unintended effects to use of these templates, that hopefully can be fixed. Notice in the chain of quoted messages above the %INCLUDE="..." line (which I forgot to replace), which in theory should include a file into the email, but is broken. When I had originally started fiddling with templates, this seemed like a good way to post my software environment at the end ot a message, but in practice I have to use Message => Insert File [Recent] because the template directive doesn't work. Ideally, this could be used from the Folder List context menu so that it could be customized e.g. for different mailing lists, but those templates don't allow one to preset the To: field address, which is exactly where one would want to do that.
Also, when using the File => New Message from Template, the templates are identified by their Subject field content, so one has to erase that when creating an email (trivial, but irritating). It would be much better if the Folder-specific templates allowed setting the header fields and had independent names, and provided the new/reply/reply-to-list/forward template choices provided by Settings => Templates|Custom Templates and Folder => Properties => Templates tab.
Then there are a few goodies I've missed from other mail agents, that would be nice to have. Amiga's YAD (Yet Another Mailer) had shortcuts in the mail viewing window that allowed one to step up and down through the emails in a folder, closing one and opening the next/previous one. Kmail has Focus on Next/Previous Folder/Message, but only in the main window; not too useful IMO. There are probably others that will come to mind...
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