19 Jan
2022
19 Jan
'22
12:15 a.m.
Hi,
I am currently on Debian 11, and I am thinking about trying TDE for the
very first time.
I would like to know, what is the difference between TDE 14.x and TDE
3.5.x and which one is the best?
And also, what would be the repo's be that I need to add via the
command line to get TDE?
And.. Do I need to install KDE first, and then TDE?
So there's a total of 4 questions.. Sorry in advance! :P
Thanks,
Chris
19 Jan
19 Jan
12:36 a.m.
Hi Chris and welcome to the TDE mailing list.
On Tue January 18 2022 16:15:54 c. marlow wrote:
I am currently on Debian 11, and I am thinking about
trying TDE for the
very first time.
I would like to know, what is the difference between TDE 14.x and TDE
3.5.x and which one is the best?
TDE 14.x is newer and better and supports Debian 11 Bullseye. There are
also TDE versions similar to Debian Testing and Debian Unstable but I
recommend you start with 14.x.
And also, what would be the repo's be that I need
to add via the
command line to get TDE?
You should add the 4 lines shown here with bullseye as distro release name:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst…
In addition to the main repo those builddeps lines provide a few support
libraries.
That page also explains how to import the signing key and install Trinity.
And.. Do I need to install KDE first, and then TDE?
TDE is designed to work alongside KDE if required but you'll probably find it
less confusing at first if you do NOT install KDE.
--Mike
5:51 a.m.
On Tuesday 18 January 2022 16:36:34 Mike Bird wrote:
Hi Chris and welcome to the TDE mailing list.
On Tue January 18 2022 16:15:54 c. marlow wrote:
Unless you already are a regular KDE user and depend on it, I would avoid it
if possible, as it tends to mess up or conflict with TDE now and then. The
newer KDE 4/5 does not play well with others.
However ... when I first installed TDE on Debian, I did install KDE5 and go
all through it getting it to work as well as possible (e.g., not to connect
to the Internet automatically, to get my settings functional). I had used an
Debian installation disc with non-free packages, and KDE Plasma was the
default desktop. Since I was new to Debian, and wasn't quite up to installing
from a shell and using only TDE, this did make my transition (from Kubuntu to
Debian) a little smoother.
Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then I would say
that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are preferable, as they
seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata
has his own method of installing TDE only by a shell, but that takes some
dedication and work; I will move in that direction when I can have two
working machines in the same location, wherever I am living then. For now,
with only one machine, I always just want to get my machine back up and
running, and get back to my own work.
I hope this helps you to frame your own situation, so that you can decide how
to approach installation. After I had done it a few times, though, I could do
a fresh installation in my sleep.
Bill
Bill
I am currently on Debian 11, and I am thinking
about trying TDE for the
very first time.
I would like to know, what is the difference between TDE 14.x and TDE
3.5.x and which one is the best?
TDE 14.x is newer and better and supports Debian 11 Bullseye. There are
also TDE versions similar to Debian Testing and Debian Unstable but I
recommend you start with 14.x.
And also, what would be the repo's be that I
need to add via the
command line to get TDE?
You should add the 4 lines shown here with bullseye as distro release name:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst
ructions#Configure_the_package_manager
In addition to the main repo those builddeps lines provide a few support
libraries.
That page also explains how to import the signing key and install Trinity.
And.. Do I need to install KDE first, and then
TDE?
TDE is designed to work alongside KDE if required but you'll probably find
it less confusing at first if you do NOT install KDE.
--Mike 
12:19 p.m.
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the
installation, then I would
say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are preferable,
as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that, I use only TDE.
Felix Miata has his own method of installing TDE only by a shell, but that
takes some dedication and work;
There are many ways to avoid complications depending on how skilled one is.
My preferred way to do it is to use debootstrap. After base system is
installed chroot, configure and install trinity desktop. This you can do
from a standard debian live image and you can apply to local hard disk, usb
or whatever your target is. I have noted 6 main steps with some actions ...
so in total would be like 17-18 steps to have a USB bootable with debian
and TDE. The TDE itself is only two steps - 1. add the apt source, 2.
update and install. The best way to find out is to try in a virtual
machine.
BR
2:15 p.m.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:19:39 +0100
deloptes <emanoil.kotsev(a)deloptes.org> wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
That's interesting.. I don't have a reply in my inbox from William
Morder...
I have in my inbox: The TDE welcome email, Mike Bird and Deloptes's
replies.
Well.. to update you, I have made it to the land of TDE! And I am so
excited.. I LOVED KDE 3 back in the day.
I downloaded all of my files off of nextcloud and I've gotten
Claws-Mail all set up so I could reply to ya'll and let ya'll know that
I made it safely :). I have to say that Claws looks like CRAP in TDE..
It looks like something from the Windows 95 days LOL!
See attachment... I hope that it's okay to attach and send to the group
:)
WOW.. I was overwhelmed with the applications... I figured out a way to
edit the start menu and add apps that I will prob never use to a folder
that I made called "UNUSED" under each sub header.
So to explain how I safely arrived, I had the Debian mini NON-Free iso
( the ISO that comes with all of the drivers) on hand, and I did a
install of LXQT ( YUCK!) first and then, when I got into LXQT, I added
all of TDE's repo's via the terminal by editing sources.list to that
file and installed TDE!
Is there anything else I need to know?
I found the power settings and got all of that squared away.
I swear TDE has as many control panel options as regular KDE does!
WOWZA! It's mind blowing lol.
Chris
Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the
installation, then
I would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop
are preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after
that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing
TDE only by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work;
2:57 p.m.
Hi Chris,
welcome to TDE. Glad to hear that you like it!
Am Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2022 schrieb c. marlow:
I have to say that Claws looks like CRAP in TDE..
It looks like something from the Windows 95 days LOL!
Why don't you try Kmail?! AFAIK, it does everything what a user wants to
do with an email client. And it looks just as awesome as all the rest
of TDE, just like you configured the whole thing. :-)
Kind regards,
Stefan
3:10 p.m.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:57:22 +0100
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Hi Chris,
welcome to TDE. Glad to hear that you like it!
Why don't you try Kmail?! AFAIK, it does everything what a user wants
to do with an email client. And it looks just as awesome as all the
rest of TDE, just like you configured the whole thing. :-)
Hallo or should I say, Guten Tag! ( I noticed the .de TLD) :)
And Danke for the warm welcome!
Speak of the devil, I just now sent a reply in to the group asking about
converting to KMAIL :)
Do you use Kmail?
Where does KMAIL store emails at so I can back them up into a .tar.gz
file?
What about configuration files? Where are those files stored at so I can
back them up in case I have to nuke and pave?
Thanks,
Chris
3:48 p.m.
Am Mittwoch, 19. Januar 2022 schrieb c. marlow:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:57:22 +0100
Stefan Krusche <linux(a)stefan-krusche.de> wrote:
Yes, that's right, ich bin Deutsch (I am German).
Hi Chris,
welcome to TDE. Glad to hear that you like it!
Why don't you try Kmail?! AFAIK, it does everything what a user
wants to do with an email client. And it looks just as awesome as
all the rest of TDE, just like you configured the whole thing. :-)
Hallo or should I say, Guten Tag! ( I noticed the .de TLD) :) Do you use Kmail?
Yes, exclusively, since 17-18 years, the old KDE3 times (and still happy
with it). :-)
Where does KMAIL store emails at so I can back them up
into a .tar.gz
file?
Default directory for the email archive is ~/.trinity/share/apps/kmail.
In this directory are also some config files, for example the files
where kmail stores infos about already downloaded messages.
What about configuration files? Where are those files
stored at so I
can back them up in case I have to nuke and pave?
Additional to the above mentioned directory the actual config files for
kmail are the following:
.trinity/share/config/kmail.eventsrc
.trinity/share/config/kmailrc
.trinity/share/config/kmailsnippetrc
.trinity/share/config/emaildefaults
.trinity/share/config/emailidentities
I do a restore with a backup copy of kmail's data directory and the five
config files.
In general, it's more easy to just backup (almost) all of TDE's
configuration by copying/saving the directory ~/.trinity in total.
Thanks,
Chris
Gerne.
4:17 p.m.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 07:48:15 Stefan Krusche wrote:
> >
> > Why don't you try Kmail?! AFAIK, it does everything what a user
> > wants to do with an email client. And it looks just as awesome as
> > all the rest of TDE, just like you configured the whole thing. :-)
Kmail is superior to ALL other mail clients (in my own experience, at least).
If I had to pick another, Claws and/or Sylpheed are pretty good, what I've
tried out, but lack Kmail's overall ease of use and functionality.
Regarding Claws and/or Sylpheed: the one is forked from the other, I believe,
but I forget which is which. The only reason I would consider using them is
that they have portable versions for other platforms, especially for Windoze
if one is forced to use a public computer (for example). Then it would come
in handy. However, using IMAP instead of POP would probably overcome most
difficulties, but I don't use IMAP.
It would be nice to have a way to combine those various functions in a single
client, but I don't foresee a version of Kmail that is cross-platform or
portable.
I am speculating a bit here; for my own needs, I will be accessing webmail
sometimes, when I am travelling, then switching to Kmail on my own machine
and downloading mails to the Kmail client on my own machine. So it would be
nice to be able to keep everything coordinated and organized, rather than
having my emails scattered across different machines or clients, or stored in
different folders.
Bill
3:08 p.m.
On 2022/01/19 11:15 PM, c. marlow wrote:
Well.. to update you, I have made it to the land of
TDE! And I am so
excited.. I LOVED KDE 3 back in the day.
Welcome Chris! If you loved KDE3, you will feel at home and you will never go back :-)
And if you wish to contribute to TDE code or documentation, just let us know!!
To add to what Mike said:
- R14.0.x is the stable branch. Latest stable version is R14.0.11
- R14.1.0-dev is the development branch. R14.1.0 "should" be out sometime this
year, if no major problems happen.
- 3.5.13.x is the old branch, before R14, so we are talking before 2014.
Both R14.0.x and R14.1.x are very stable (I use Debian testing + R14.1.0-dev all the
time).
Cheers
Michele
4:27 p.m.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 09:08:35 am Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:
On 2022/01/19 11:15 PM, c. marlow wrote:
Grazie!
I noticed that the time is wrong when I opened your email.. It said in the
right hand corner of the screen, that it is currently 1 am in Italy. I just
Googled Italy time, and Google said that it's 5:25 PM.. OOPS!
Chris
Well.. to update you, I have made it to the land
of TDE! And I am so
excited.. I LOVED KDE 3 back in the day.
Welcome Chris! If you loved KDE3, you will feel at home and you will never
go back :-) And if you wish to contribute to TDE code or documentation,
just let us know!!
To add to what Mike said:
- R14.0.x is the stable branch. Latest stable version is R14.0.11
- R14.1.0-dev is the development branch. R14.1.0 "should" be out sometime
this year, if no major problems happen. - 3.5.13.x is the old branch,
before R14, so we are talking before 2014.
Both R14.0.x and R14.1.x are very stable (I use Debian testing +
R14.1.0-dev all the time).
Cheers
Michele 
3:09 p.m.
Hi Chris,
I have to say that Claws looks like CRAP in
TDE.. It looks like something from the Windows 95 days LOL!
What is a mailer supposed to do? Send and receive flawlesssly mail and
have quite a bunch of possibilities of manipulating the mail but still
being KISS? Or looking like Miss Universe but needing a lot of effort
to keep the glamour up?
BTW, the Debian-repo has 39 themes to enhance the look of CM, maybe
there are more in the raw somewhere.
Rgds, Peter
3:14 p.m.
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 08:15:01 -0600
"c. marlow" <TDE(a)cwm030.com> wrote:
I downloaded all of my files off of nextcloud and
I've gotten
Claws-Mail all set up so I could reply to ya'll and let ya'll know that
I made it safely :). I have to say that Claws looks like CRAP in TDE..
It looks like something from the Windows 95 days LOL!
Claws uses GTK widgets, and TDE uses TQT, which is a QT3 fork.
If you want to style Claws using TDE, you'll have to install additional
packages for styling GTK (which don't always work quite right).
E. Liddell
4:21 p.m.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 06:15:01 c. marlow wrote:
On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:19:39 +0100
deloptes <emanoil.kotsev(a)deloptes.org> wrote:
They try to keep me hidden. I am only allowed to lurk about in dark corners,
then to leap out upon unsuspecting newbies and say BOO!
Bill
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
> Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then
> I would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop
> are preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after
> that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing
> TDE only by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work;
That's interesting.. I don't have a reply in my inbox from William
Morder...
I have in my inbox: The TDE welcome email, Mike Bird and Deloptes's
replies.
Chris
3:05 p.m.
About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE
I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the
MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX
I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?
Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?
Thanks,
Chris
3:18 p.m.
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 09:05:09 -0600
c. marlow scripsit:
About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE
I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the
MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX
I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?
Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?
I'd suggest you use MAILDIR (one file for every mail), not MBOX (one big file for
all).
Claws has MAILDIR++, IMO it should be compatible with KMAIL - but I never tried. So better
make a copy :)
Nik
Thanks,
Chris
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On Wednesday 19 January 2022 09:18:02 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 09:05:09 -0600
c. marlow scripsit:
Oh great, I've already imported my emails into KMAIL!
But I don't see a way to import the emails into KMAIL as MAIL DIR ( where the
emails are individual files?'
CLAWS only gave me the option to export as MBOX.
Is there a way to change KMAIL to use MAILDIR instead of MBOX? Or will I have
to export all of my email out of KMAIL, delete all of the folders and do all
of this over again?
Thanks,
Chris
About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE
I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the
MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX
I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?
Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?
I'd suggest you use MAILDIR (one file for every mail), not MBOX (one big
file for all).
Claws has MAILDIR++, IMO it should be compatible with KMAIL - but I never
tried. So better make a copy :)
Nik
9:10 p.m.
c. marlow wrote:
CLAWS only gave me the option to export as MBOX.
Is there a way to change KMAIL to use MAILDIR instead of MBOX? Or will I
have to export all of my email out of KMAIL, delete all of the folders and
do all of this over again?
In fact if you use the import wizard it would import into maildir format by
default.
I just tested it and verified it works.
If you have a mbox you can create a new mailbox in the maildir format and
copy paste the mails. also tested.
10:04 p.m.
In fact if you use the import wizard it would import
into maildir format by
default.
I just tested it and verified it works.
If you have a mbox you can create a new mailbox in the maildir format and
copy paste the mails. also tested.
Ahh.. I just exported to MBOX which is the only option Claws offered and then
went to IMPORT and I selected the 2nd option which was MBOX / Unix format I
believe it said, and everything imported beautifully!
Chris
4:39 p.m.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 09:18:02 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 09:05:09 -0600
c. marlow scripsit:
GOOD NEWS!
It looks like KMAIL defaulted to MDIR.. So that means all of my emails are
stored like they were in CLAWS? They're all just numbered files?
Thanks,
Chris
About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE
I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the
MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX
I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?
Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?
I'd suggest you use MAILDIR (one file for every mail), not MBOX (one big
file for all).
Claws has MAILDIR++, IMO it should be compatible with KMAIL - but I never
tried. So better make a copy :)
Nik 
4:48 p.m.
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 10:39:53 -0600
c. marlow scripsit:
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 09:18:02 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
That looks good :)
"numbered" in some way, yes. But also with status information as part of the
filename, so watch what happens when you use something like unison to keep a bidirectional
copy.
Nik
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CIA ...
Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 09:05:09 -0600
c. marlow scripsit:
GOOD NEWS!
It looks like KMAIL defaulted to MDIR.. So that means all of my emails are
stored like they were in CLAWS? They're all just numbered files?
Thanks,
Chris
About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE
I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the
MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX
I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?
Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?
I'd suggest you use MAILDIR (one file for every mail), not MBOX (one big
file for all).
Claws has MAILDIR++, IMO it should be compatible with KMAIL - but I never
tried. So better make a copy :)
Nik
2:23 p.m.
Unless you already are a regular KDE user and depend
on it, I would
avoid it if possible, as it tends to mess up or conflict with TDE now
and then. The newer KDE 4/5 does not play well with others.
However ... when I first installed TDE on Debian, I did install KDE5
and go all through it getting it to work as well as possible (e.g.,
not to connect to the Internet automatically, to get my settings
functional). I had used an Debian installation disc with non-free
packages, and KDE Plasma was the default desktop. Since I was new to
Debian, and wasn't quite up to installing from a shell and using only
TDE, this did make my transition (from Kubuntu to Debian) a little
smoother.
Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then I
would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are
preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that,
I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing TDE only
by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work; I will move in
that direction when I can have two working machines in the same
location, wherever I am living then. For now, with only one machine,
I always just want to get my machine back up and running, and get
back to my own work.
I hope this helps you to frame your own situation, so that you can
decide how to approach installation. After I had done it a few times,
though, I could do a fresh installation in my sleep.
Ah ha! I found your reply
Bill.. Your email somehow got
caught in Claws-mail's HAM folder!
I will have to keep in mind next time to use XFCE or MATE as a base
before installing TDE. I used LXQT this time for a base.. I hope that I
won't have any problems in the future with TDE.
About using SHELL... I guess I would have to of download the full debian
ISO to get the options of XFCE minimal? I used the Deb Mini ISO which
had to download LXQT off of the internet and then install it.
Thanks,
Chris
2:58 p.m.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 08:23:40 am c. marlow wrote:
About using SHELL... I guess I would have to of
download the full debian
ISO to get the options of XFCE minimal? I used the Deb Mini ISO which
had to download LXQT off of the internet and then install it.
Hi Chris,
One of the easier ways to install mothing but TDE is to:
- Create a set of scripts and stick them on a USB
- Install [Base/Minimal/{whatever the dist calls it that installs the least}]
- Boot (which should leave you in a root shell)
- Mount the USB and run the scripts
Somewhere on the list, 3-7 years ago?, you should be able to find the ones I
made [for CentOS?] as a guide.
Best,
Michael
PS: TDE KMail looks about like your pic of Claws.
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