On Tuesday 18 January 2022 16:36:34 Mike Bird wrote:

Hi Chris and welcome to the TDE mailing list.

On Tue January 18 2022 16:15:54 c. marlow wrote:

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I am currently on Debian 11, and I am thinking about trying TDE for the very first time.

I would like to know, what is the difference between TDE 14.x and TDE 3.5.x and which one is the best?

TDE 14.x is newer and better and supports Debian 11 Bullseye. There are also TDE versions similar to Debian Testing and Debian Unstable but I recommend you start with 14.x.

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And also, what would be the repo's be that I need to add via the command line to get TDE?

You should add the 4 lines shown here with bullseye as distro release name: https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Debian_Trinity_Repository_Installation_Inst ructions#Configure_the_package_manager

In addition to the main repo those builddeps lines provide a few support libraries.

That page also explains how to import the signing key and install Trinity.

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And.. Do I need to install KDE first, and then TDE?

TDE is designed to work alongside KDE if required but you'll probably find it less confusing at first if you do NOT install KDE.

--Mike

Unless you already are a regular KDE user and depend on it, I would avoid it if possible, as it tends to mess up or conflict with TDE now and then. The newer KDE 4/5 does not play well with others.

However ... when I first installed TDE on Debian, I did install KDE5 and go all through it getting it to work as well as possible (e.g., not to connect to the Internet automatically, to get my settings functional). I had used an Debian installation disc with non-free packages, and KDE Plasma was the default desktop. Since I was new to Debian, and wasn't quite up to installing from a shell and using only TDE, this did make my transition (from Kubuntu to Debian) a little smoother.

Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then I would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing TDE only by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work; I will move in that direction when I can have two working machines in the same location, wherever I am living then. For now, with only one machine, I always just want to get my machine back up and running, and get back to my own work.

I hope this helps you to frame your own situation, so that you can decide how to approach installation. After I had done it a few times, though, I could do a fresh installation in my sleep.

Bill

Bill

On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:19:39 +0100 deloptes emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org wrote:

William Morder via tde-users wrote:

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Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then I would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing TDE only by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work;

That's interesting.. I don't have a reply in my inbox from William Morder...

I have in my inbox: The TDE welcome email, Mike Bird and Deloptes's replies.

Well.. to update you, I have made it to the land of TDE! And I am so excited.. I LOVED KDE 3 back in the day.

I downloaded all of my files off of nextcloud and I've gotten Claws-Mail all set up so I could reply to ya'll and let ya'll know that I made it safely :). I have to say that Claws looks like CRAP in TDE.. It looks like something from the Windows 95 days LOL!

See attachment... I hope that it's okay to attach and send to the group :)

WOW.. I was overwhelmed with the applications... I figured out a way to edit the start menu and add apps that I will prob never use to a folder that I made called "UNUSED" under each sub header.

So to explain how I safely arrived, I had the Debian mini NON-Free iso ( the ISO that comes with all of the drivers) on hand, and I did a install of LXQT ( YUCK!) first and then, when I got into LXQT, I added all of TDE's repo's via the terminal by editing sources.list to that file and installed TDE!

Is there anything else I need to know?

I found the power settings and got all of that squared away.

I swear TDE has as many control panel options as regular KDE does! WOWZA! It's mind blowing lol.

Chris

On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 15:57:22 +0100 Stefan Krusche linux@stefan-krusche.de wrote:

Hi Chris,

welcome to TDE. Glad to hear that you like it!

Why don't you try Kmail?! AFAIK, it does everything what a user wants to do with an email client. And it looks just as awesome as all the rest of TDE, just like you configured the whole thing. :-)

Hallo or should I say, Guten Tag! ( I noticed the .de TLD) :)

And Danke for the warm welcome!

Speak of the devil, I just now sent a reply in to the group asking about converting to KMAIL :)

Do you use Kmail?

Where does KMAIL store emails at so I can back them up into a .tar.gz file?

What about configuration files? Where are those files stored at so I can back them up in case I have to nuke and pave?

Thanks, Chris

On Wednesday 19 January 2022 07:48:15 Stefan Krusche wrote:

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Why don't you try Kmail?! AFAIK, it does everything what a user wants to do with an email client. And it looks just as awesome as all the rest of TDE, just like you configured the whole thing. :-)

Kmail is superior to ALL other mail clients (in my own experience, at least).

If I had to pick another, Claws and/or Sylpheed are pretty good, what I've tried out, but lack Kmail's overall ease of use and functionality.

Regarding Claws and/or Sylpheed: the one is forked from the other, I believe, but I forget which is which. The only reason I would consider using them is that they have portable versions for other platforms, especially for Windoze if one is forced to use a public computer (for example). Then it would come in handy. However, using IMAP instead of POP would probably overcome most difficulties, but I don't use IMAP.

It would be nice to have a way to combine those various functions in a single client, but I don't foresee a version of Kmail that is cross-platform or portable.

I am speculating a bit here; for my own needs, I will be accessing webmail sometimes, when I am travelling, then switching to Kmail on my own machine and downloading mails to the Kmail client on my own machine. So it would be nice to be able to keep everything coordinated and organized, rather than having my emails scattered across different machines or clients, or stored in different folders.

Bill

On 2022/01/19 11:15 PM, c. marlow wrote:

Well.. to update you, I have made it to the land of TDE! And I am so excited.. I LOVED KDE 3 back in the day.

Welcome Chris! If you loved KDE3, you will feel at home and you will never go back :-) And if you wish to contribute to TDE code or documentation, just let us know!!

To add to what Mike said: - R14.0.x is the stable branch. Latest stable version is R14.0.11 - R14.1.0-dev is the development branch. R14.1.0 "should" be out sometime this year, if no major problems happen. - 3.5.13.x is the old branch, before R14, so we are talking before 2014.

Both R14.0.x and R14.1.x are very stable (I use Debian testing + R14.1.0-dev all the time).

Cheers Michele

Hi Chris,

I have to say that Claws looks like CRAP in TDE.. It looks like something from the Windows 95 days LOL!

What is a mailer supposed to do? Send and receive flawlesssly mail and have quite a bunch of possibilities of manipulating the mail but still being KISS? Or looking like Miss Universe but needing a lot of effort to keep the glamour up? BTW, the Debian-repo has 39 themes to enhance the look of CM, maybe there are more in the raw somewhere.

Rgds, Peter

On Wednesday 19 January 2022 06:15:01 c. marlow wrote:

On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 13:19:39 +0100

deloptes emanoil.kotsev@deloptes.org wrote:

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William Morder via tde-users wrote:

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Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then I would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing TDE only by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work;

That's interesting.. I don't have a reply in my inbox from William Morder...

I have in my inbox: The TDE welcome email, Mike Bird and Deloptes's replies.

Chris

They try to keep me hidden. I am only allowed to lurk about in dark corners, then to leap out upon unsuspecting newbies and say BOO!

Bill

About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE

I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX

I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?

Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?

Thanks, Chris

On Wednesday 19 January 2022 09:18:02 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 09:05:09 -0600

c. marlow scripsit:

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About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE

I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX

I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?

Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?

I'd suggest you use MAILDIR (one file for every mail), not MBOX (one big file for all).

Claws has MAILDIR++, IMO it should be compatible with KMAIL - but I never tried. So better make a copy :)

Nik

Oh great, I've already imported my emails into KMAIL!

But I don't see a way to import the emails into KMAIL as MAIL DIR ( where the emails are individual files?'

CLAWS only gave me the option to export as MBOX.

Is there a way to change KMAIL to use MAILDIR instead of MBOX? Or will I have to export all of my email out of KMAIL, delete all of the folders and do all of this over again?

Thanks, Chris

In fact if you use the import wizard it would import into maildir format by default. I just tested it and verified it works.

If you have a mbox you can create a new mailbox in the maildir format and copy paste the mails. also tested.

Ahh.. I just exported to MBOX which is the only option Claws offered and then went to IMPORT and I selected the 2nd option which was MBOX / Unix format I believe it said, and everything imported beautifully!

Chris

Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 10:39:53 -0600 c. marlow scripsit:

On Wednesday 19 January 2022 09:18:02 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:

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Anno domini 2022 Wed, 19 Jan 09:05:09 -0600

c. marlow scripsit:

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About my reply about how Claws looks bad in TDE

I do see a way to export emails that are in folders in Claws to the MBOX Format by going to FILE > EXPORT TO MBOX

I wonder if doing that would work, to where I could try out KMAIL?

Doesn't KMAIL use the MBOX format like thunderbird?

I'd suggest you use MAILDIR (one file for every mail), not MBOX (one big file for all).

Claws has MAILDIR++, IMO it should be compatible with KMAIL - but I never tried. So better make a copy :)

Nik

GOOD NEWS!

It looks like KMAIL defaulted to MDIR.. So that means all of my emails are stored like they were in CLAWS? They're all just numbered files?

Thanks, Chris

That looks good :)

"numbered" in some way, yes. But also with status information as part of the filename, so watch what happens when you use something like unison to keep a bidirectional copy.

Nik

-- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

Unless you already are a regular KDE user and depend on it, I would avoid it if possible, as it tends to mess up or conflict with TDE now and then. The newer KDE 4/5 does not play well with others.

However ... when I first installed TDE on Debian, I did install KDE5 and go all through it getting it to work as well as possible (e.g., not to connect to the Internet automatically, to get my settings functional). I had used an Debian installation disc with non-free packages, and KDE Plasma was the default desktop. Since I was new to Debian, and wasn't quite up to installing from a shell and using only TDE, this did make my transition (from Kubuntu to Debian) a little smoother.

Nowadays, if I must use another desktop for the installation, then I would say that either the XFCE slim desktop or the MATE desktop are preferable, as they seem to interfere less than KDE. But after that, I use only TDE. Felix Miata has his own method of installing TDE only by a shell, but that takes some dedication and work; I will move in that direction when I can have two working machines in the same location, wherever I am living then. For now, with only one machine, I always just want to get my machine back up and running, and get back to my own work.

I hope this helps you to frame your own situation, so that you can decide how to approach installation. After I had done it a few times, though, I could do a fresh installation in my sleep.

Ah ha! I found your reply Bill.. Your email somehow got caught in Claws-mail's HAM folder!

I will have to keep in mind next time to use XFCE or MATE as a base before installing TDE. I used LXQT this time for a base.. I hope that I won't have any problems in the future with TDE.

About using SHELL... I guess I would have to of download the full debian ISO to get the options of XFCE minimal? I used the Deb Mini ISO which had to download LXQT off of the internet and then install it.

Thanks, Chris