20 Apr
2023
20 Apr
'23
11:53 a.m.
Okay, so now dig me. :-]
I played round with ksystraycmd. It shows how long it's been since I thought
about this thing, because after mulling it over a bit, I figured out how to
make my own trick.
alt-F2
smplayer %f | --pkill ksystraycmd
Whatever applies to smplayer here, ought to work with other programs, too.
That kills the ghost icon from the start, if I open it from alt-F2, but now I
get a plain white vanilla gui interface. I believe I can figure out how to
force my own background, and probably how to get all this stuff into
the "open with" menu. There's probably an easier way, but at least I can get
this to work for me.
So I think I'm halfway there. Now for the messier problem: I have all these
leftover shortcuts in my "open with" menus. It worst in my oldest folders, of
course.
Now I'm wondering, Is there's an easy way of getting rid of those unused
shortcuts?
Bill
20 Apr
20 Apr
8:35 p.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
alt-F2
smplayer %f | --pkill ksystraycmd
this is strange, because ksystraycmd is a utility to start applications and
keep them running in the systray.
I wonder why you don't find out what is starting smplayer in ksystraycmd
and fix it there instead of doing BS.
But as you are free person, you are also free to do what you do and do it as
you like.
21 Apr
21 Apr
10:05 a.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
On Thursday 20 April 2023 20:35:17 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
But the applications do keep running. It's just those extra ghost icons that
serve no real purpose. I don't want them. Especially, as I said, when I get
my systray full of half a dozen or more of them, and often they are all icons
for, say, smplayer, yet they actually represent other applications.
Whatever applications I want to dock in the systray, I have already configured
them like that. I don't want others.
Anyway, I will try grep over the weekend, to see if I can track down why some
applications behave differently with ksystray.
Bill
alt-F2
smplayer %f | --pkill ksystraycmd
this is strange, because ksystraycmd is a utility to start applications and
keep them running in the systray.
I wonder why you don't find out what is starting smplayer in ksystraycmd
and fix it there instead of doing BS.
But as you are free person, you are also free to do what you do and do it
as you like.
11:11 a.m.
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Anno domini 2023 Fri, 21 Apr 10:05:47 +0000
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
On Thursday 20 April 2023 20:35:17 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
appications register themselfs als "I have a super importenat systray icon",
this not something the systray does by its self. IMO you'll have to go through the
applications settings and disable systray integration.
Nik
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
But the applications do keep running. It's just those extra ghost icons that
serve no real purpose. I don't want them. Especially, as I said, when I get
my systray full of half a dozen or more of them, and often they are all icons
for, say, smplayer, yet they actually represent other applications.
Whatever applications I want to dock in the systray, I have already configured
them like that. I don't want others.
Anyway, I will try grep over the weekend, to see if I can track down why some
applications behave differently with ksystray. alt-F2
smplayer %f | --pkill ksystraycmd
this is strange, because ksystraycmd is a utility to start applications and
keep them running in the systray.
I wonder why you don't find out what is starting smplayer in ksystraycmd
and fix it there instead of doing BS.
But as you are free person, you are also free to do what you do and do it
as you like.
Bill
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2:59 p.m.
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On Friday 21 April 2023 06:11:06 am Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2023 Fri, 21 Apr 10:05:47 +0000
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
I agree with Nik, especially in the case of SMPlayer. It's a configure option
inside the app itself.
On Thursday 20 April 2023 20:35:17 deloptes via
tde-users wrote:
appications register themselfs als "I have a super importenat systray
icon", this not something the systray does by its self. IMO you'll have to
go through the applications settings and disable systray integration. William Morder via tde-users wrote:
But the applications do keep running. It's just those extra ghost icons
that serve no real purpose. I don't want them. alt-F2
smplayer %f | --pkill ksystraycmd
this is strange, because ksystraycmd is a utility to start applications
and keep them running in the systray.
I wonder why you don't find out what is starting smplayer in
ksystraycmd and fix it there instead > Especially, as I said,
> when I get my systray full of half a dozen or more of them, and often
> they are all icons for, say, smplayer, yet they actually represent other
> applications.
That would be a bug.
Unless you've specifically gone into each app and manually changed its icon,
which sounds really doubtful. Or you have SMPlayer configured to have
multiple instances running at the same time. [Options >> Preferences >>
Interface, tab Instances]
If it persists, try to make a screenshot of it with 3+ duplicates. Then add a
bug to bugzilla including which apps are behind the duplicite icons.
Best,
Michael
3:34 p.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
On Friday 21 April 2023 07:59:21 Michael via tde-users wrote:
appications register themselfs als "I have a super importenat systray
icon", this not something the systray does by its self. IMO you'll have
to go through the applications settings and disable systray integration.
I agree with Nik, especially in the case of SMPlayer. It's a configure
option inside the app itself.
As I said earlier, I do configure some apps to dock themselves in the system
tray, and I want them there. I don't want uninvited guests, nor the
reduplication of those useless ghost icons.
I am pretty sure that I never deliberately configured any apps to do that, but
I could be wrong. Only grep and time will tell.
Will try to get a screenshot of that behavior. It usually happens when I am in
a kind of wild burst of creativity, where I am clicking to open one
application or file after another. Then I might have several different items
open in quick succession, but they all get tagged with the same ghost icon,
whatever it may be, as that's totally random.
Bill
this is
strange, because ksystraycmd is a utility to start
applications and keep them running in the systray.
I wonder why you don't find out what is starting smplayer in
ksystraycmd and fix it there instead
But the applications do keep running. It's just those extra ghost icons
that serve no real purpose. I don't want them. > Especially, as I said,
> when I get my systray full of half a dozen or more of them, and often
> they are all icons for, say, smplayer, yet they actually represent
> other applications.
That would be a bug.
Unless you've specifically gone into each app and manually changed its
icon, which sounds really doubtful. Or you have SMPlayer configured to
have multiple instances running at the same time. [Options >> Preferences
> Interface, tab Instances]
If it persists, try to make a screenshot of it with 3+ duplicates. Then
add a bug to bugzilla including which apps are behind the duplicite icons.
Best,
Michael
3:39 p.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
Anno domini 2023 Fri, 21 Apr 08:34:20 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
Will try to get a screenshot of that behavior. It usually happens when I am in
a kind of wild burst of creativity, where I am clicking to open one
application or file after another. Then I might have several different items
open in quick succession, but they all get tagged with the same ghost icon,
whatever it may be, as that's totally random.
Bill
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On Friday 21 April 2023 07:59:21 Michael via tde-users wrote:
I agree with Nik, especially in the case of SMPlayer. It's a configure
option inside the app itself.
As I said earlier, I do configure some apps to dock themselves in the system
tray, and I want them there. I don't want uninvited guests, nor the
reduplication of those useless ghost icons.
I am pretty sure that I never deliberately configured any apps to do that, but
I could be wrong. Only grep and time will tell.
Most likely you did not. NBu genuis of app developpers is unmatched in this universe, so
their applications tend to grow cthuluian tentacles when they mature.
> this is strange, because ksystraycmd is a utility
to start
> applications and keep them running in the systray.
>
> I wonder why you don't find out what is starting smplayer in
> ksystraycmd and fix it there instead
But the applications do keep running. It's just those extra ghost icons
that serve no real purpose. I don't want them.
appications register themselfs als "I have a super importenat systray
icon", this not something the systray does by its self. IMO you'll have
to go through the applications settings and disable systray integration. > Especially, as I said,
> when I get my systray full of half a dozen or more of them, and often
> they are all icons for, say, smplayer, yet they actually represent
> other applications.
That would be a bug.
Unless you've specifically gone into each app and manually changed its
icon, which sounds really doubtful. Or you have SMPlayer configured to
have multiple instances running at the same time. [Options >> Preferences
> Interface, tab Instances]
If it persists, try to make a screenshot of it with 3+ duplicates. Then
add a bug to bugzilla including which apps are behind the duplicite icons.
Best,
Michael
3:46 p.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
On Friday 21 April 2023 08:39:52 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp via tde-users wrote:
Anno domini 2023 Fri, 21 Apr 08:34:20 -0700
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
ah-HA
Cthulu
I knew that smell was familiar.
Bill
As I said earlier, I do configure some apps to
dock themselves in the
system tray, and I want them there. I don't want uninvited guests, nor
the reduplication of those useless ghost icons.
I am pretty sure that I never deliberately configured any apps to do
that, but I could be wrong. Only grep and time will tell.
Most likely you did not. NBu genuis of app developpers is unmatched in this
universe, so their applications tend to grow cthuluian tentacles when they
mature.
22 Apr
22 Apr
8:13 a.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I am pretty sure that I never deliberately configured
any apps to do that,
but I could be wrong. Only grep and time will tell.
I did not understand what is wrong with hiding the icons from the systray as
Thierry advised.
24 Apr
24 Apr
8:10 p.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
On Saturday 22 April 2023 01:13:39 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Sorry, that doesn't happen here. As I explained, the option doesn't appear.
Maybe I need to remove that shortcuts folder from my taskbar, but I haven't
got that far yet. It actually points to a folder that is full of shortcuts to
places and things: for example, so that I can load a playlist for smplayer,
audacious, etc.
Maybe, if I remove that folder, that option will appear?
You see, as I said earlier, that option *does not appear* when I do this.
Furthermore
... I deliberately left this out of my emails, as I wasn't sure it was
relevant, and not due to my own mistake ...
When I *did* try that, my kicker froze up, and I could not restart it. When I
rebooted my system, I was first greeted with no wireless connection, and was
not able to mount any of my external hard drives. So, I said, let's poke
round a bit, I ended up trying to reboot again, and now I had NOTHING. I got
the start-up shell, which ended with that ominous invitation, to press ctrl-D
and resume boot, or to press enter and repair system.
Neither of these could be done, so there was nothing left to me but to
reinstall my system. And here it gets interesting for me. It had been so long
since I needed to do anything that got deep into my system ... that I had
forgot the bios password! I don't think I have needed to get into the bios
for at least a year or so, and I got the machine new. And I didn't have
another internet machine here, except for my smartphones (which I hate using
for internet), so I couldn't just easily look up the bios password for this
box. So I kept poking round aimlessly, trying the guess what were the bios
commands, and at last hit on hold down F2, which I probably ought to have
guess first, but you know ...
Does that answer your question? That's why I cannot do as Thierry suggested,
and I am not sure why, except that I must have a lot of legacy tricks that I
have added ever since KDE3 and the years 2006-2008 or so. And I am loath to
remove my shortcuts folder, which might interfere with this function, but I
suppose it exists elsewhere, and these are only shortcuts, so I may try that.
I am still playing with grep, as I haven't used it much. Once I get more
comfortable with grep, then at least I can determine what programs are
calling ksystray when I don't want them to dock like that.
I ought to say, too, that I hold my lower panel in a kind of superstitious
awe - sort of like Indiana Jones avoids touching the Ark of the Covenant, so
that he doesn't get fried. Whenever I unlock my lower panel and start to move
things round, bad stuff happens, maybe not quite as bad as getting fried by
otherworldly forces, but pretty bad, and I try not to repeat them.
For now, I am still trying to work out just how ksystray works, and why
certain applications call it to open (and create those ghost icons), and why
other don't. When I get more information, I will post again.
Bill
P.S. See attachment. That's my systray, for what it is worth, but the
screenshot cannot seem to capture my mouse action, which as I say doesn't
offer those options that I find in Thierry's screenshots.
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Please refer to my email with this date and heading:
I am pretty sure that I never deliberately
configured any apps to do
that, but I could be wrong. Only grep and time will tell.
I did not understand what is wrong with hiding the icons from the systray
as Thierry advised.
Re: [tde-users] Re: how to suppress icons in systray ?
Date: 2023-04-19 04:16
But don't bother, as I will quote:
> Now I see what you mean, and that sounds
like just the ticket ... except,
N.B. the following words:
I
don't have the option to configure the systray!
Unlock the panel if locked and right click the bar that appears to the left
of the systray. Then click Configure 
9:20 p.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? sorta half-solved
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I ought to say, too, that I hold my lower panel in a
kind of superstitious
awe - sort of like Indiana Jones avoids touching the Ark of the Covenant,
so that he doesn't get fried. Whenever I unlock my lower panel and start
to move things round, bad stuff happens, maybe not quite as bad as getting
fried by otherworldly forces, but pretty bad, and I try not to repeat
them.
to do what Thierry advised you need to unlock the panel. Then configure the
systray/icons and lock again. (this is what I am doing too)
For now, I am still trying to work out just how
ksystray works, and why
certain applications call it to open (and create those ghost icons), and
why other don't. When I get more information, I will post again.
There is functionality to create application with systray capabilities.
So if you want to know how it works look at ksystray.h
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/commit/6b4507c6…
BTW it is unfortunate to read what happened with your bios pwd and so on.
9:41 p.m.
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On Monday 24 April 2023 14:20:57 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Thank you, I will add this to my reading list, as I am researching ksystray,
as well as grep commands.
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
to do what Thierry advised you need to unlock the panel. Then configure the
systray/icons and lock again. (this is what I am doing too)
I *did* unlock the panel; I did try to configure the systay/icons; I did try
to lock again.
Please see that line where I write
N.B. the following words:
Sorry, that doesn't happen here. As I explained, the option doesn't appear.
This is when kicker locked up. This happens almost every time that I mess with
the lower panel, hence doing anything with ksystray may also involve similar
risks.
For all your good advice about unlocking the panel and then configuring, it
just does not happen here. I can unlock the panel, then things get messed up,
and I never get to those happy results that you promise.
I
don't have the option to configure the systray!
Unlock the panel if locked and right click the bar that appears to the left
of the systray. Then click Configure For now, I am
still trying to work out just how ksystray works, and why
certain applications call it to open (and create those ghost icons), and
why other don't. When I get more information, I will post again.
There is functionality to create application with systray capabilities.
So if you want to know how it works look at ksystray.h
https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdelibs/src/commit/6b4507c6
aa5e30097872f8ce64e9b8097fc63927/tdeui/ksystemtray.h#L31
BTW it is unfortunate to read what happened with your
bios pwd and so on.
Not to worry, all is well again, except of course that I don't like how this
ksystray works.
Bill
9 May
9 May
11:24 a.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? the plot thickens
On Monday 24 April 2023 14:41:46 William Morder wrote:
On Monday 24 April 2023 14:20:57 deloptes via
tde-users wrote:
> William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Okay, so I mentioned that, when I get into a creative burst and open several
different applications in quick successsion, that's when ksystray opens
duplicate "ghost icons" as I call them, which, to begin with serve no
discernible purpose, except to clutter up my systray with stuff I don't use.
They all offer, when I right-click on them, options to hide, undock or quit,
but from what I have tried, this really only amounts to two options, which is
quit or leave it alone. Since I can quit it by just killing the program, or
by ctrl-Q or other command, I don't see the point; and undock always just
kills the program anyway. So really, of your three choices, there is only one
left, which is to leave it alone; which means, logically, that it is no
choice at all, that those icons just take up space.
But anyway, I have added a screenshot, as evidence of ksystray's lawless
behavior. Please see attachment. Those icons represent, respectively, not
only kpdf, but also libreoffice, kuickshow, and leafpad; because, when I am
writing this sort of document, I transfer from raw text, to office doc, to
pdf, and last to a jpeg of the pdf. When I am on a roll, this is what
happens.
Somehow I will figure out a hack to suppress this irksome imp, once and for
all, but in the meanwhile, I put it to the developers and more knowledgeable
users out there, why do we have this thing which isn't really all that
useful? I myself want my machines to be not only functional, but also
pleasing to the eyes (at least, to my own eyes). I realize that others may
prefer their industrial drab, but it's my box here.
Anyway, somebody asked for a screenshot that demonstrates this deviant
behavior, as apparently this would be a bug. So here's the proof. Please see
attachment.
Bill
4:41 p.m.
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On Tue, 9 May 2023 04:24:54 -0700
William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Somehow I will figure out a hack to suppress this
irksome imp, once and for
all, but in the meanwhile, I put it to the developers and more knowledgeable
users out there, why do we have this thing which isn't really all that
useful? I myself want my machines to be not only functional, but also
pleasing to the eyes (at least, to my own eyes). I realize that others may
prefer their industrial drab, but it's my box here.
Presumably, someone at some time, probably ~20 years ago, found it useful
to be able to park one or two specific applications with no systray support
in the systray. That's why ksystraycmd exists. On most systems, it's harmless
and never gets invoked. Whatever is going on here seems to be peculiar
to your machine.
This is a shot in the dark, but have you checked the file associations on
your system for application/octet-stream and other executable file types
to see if that's what's invoking ksystraycmd?
Have you done The Bleeding Obvious, created a new user, and seen
whether or not the behaviour persists there? (I can't recall the content
of all your previous posts on this, so for all I know you may have.)
E. Liddell
8:30 p.m.
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On Tuesday 09 May 2023 09:41:51 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Tue, 9 May 2023 04:24:54 -0700
Whatever is going on here seems to be
peculiar to your machine.
People have often used the word *peculiar* when speaking of myself and
anything related to me, as in, "Ain't that peculiar?"
This is a shot in the dark, but have you checked the file associations on
your system for application/octet-stream and other executable file types
to see if that's what's invoking ksystraycmd?
So far, it seems to be something connected to the "Open With" dialogue,
but I
haven't figured out exactly why, only worked out a rather cumbersome hack
that will suppress those little buggers, but it seems like using a
sledgehammer to tune a violin.
Have you done The Bleeding Obvious, created a new
user, and seen
whether or not the behaviour persists there? (I can't recall the content
of all your previous posts on this, so for all I know you may have.)
E. Liddell
In fact, my recent spate of posts are all indirectly related to the fact that
I decided to change my user name just so I could spot some of these niggling
yet bothersome pests; things which have crept in over the years, especially
since my earliest days of running Linux, and discovering KDE3 (which used to
be, by the way, the only DE that I have ever loved).
TDE does have its little bugs now and then, but it still stands far above all
the competition. Long live TDE!!
Bill
P.S. My ASD expresses itself in its own unique way, which is an occasional
obsession for aesthetic perfection. Everything can be falling down around me,
but when I create that thing that is "just right", I am not so bothered by
all that other terrible stuff that's going on in the word. But my TDE desktop
is just a minor obsession; not like when I really go nuts.
10 May
10 May
1:33 a.m.
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On Tue, 9 May 2023 13:30:22 -0700
William Morder via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Yeah, but did you copy your old config files into the new user account (and
thus bring all their brokenness with them) or recreate the config from scratch?
I seem to very vaguely recall that you may have done the former, which
wouldn't be useful in fixing your issues.
E. Liddell
On Tuesday 09 May 2023 09:41:51 E. Liddell via
tde-users wrote:
Have you done
The Bleeding Obvious, created a new user, and seen
whether or not the behaviour persists there? (I can't recall the content
of all your previous posts on this, so for all I know you may have.)
In fact, my recent spate of posts are all indirectly related to the fact that
I decided to change my user name just so I could spot some of these niggling
yet bothersome pests; things which have crept in over the years, especially
since my earliest days of running Linux, and discovering KDE3 (which used to
be, by the way, the only DE that I have ever loved).
1:58 a.m.
New subject: how to suppress icons in systray ? the plot thickens
On Tuesday 09 May 2023 18:33:59 E. Liddell via tde-users wrote:
On Tue, 9 May 2023 13:30:22 -0700
Yeah, but did you copy your old config files into the new user account (and
thus bring all their brokenness with them) or recreate the config from
scratch? I seem to very vaguely recall that you may have done the former,
which wouldn't be useful in fixing your issues.
E. Liddell
No, I only add them in piecemeal, and I always make a backup of originals, so
that I can revert to them. Some of my tricks work better than others.
Bill
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