31 May
2021
31 May
'21
7:32 a.m.
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 31 May 00:43:45 -0500
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
On 2021-05-30 12:10:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interesting. In your screenshot the dropdownlist with the selectable soundcards is
missing. Here's what I get on my system.
Nik
Things might be different with pulseaudio, but
that thing never worked for
me, probably the bad carma of it's creator still sticks on it.
Nik
My experience with pulseaudio is the same; I have learned to forbid its installation,
and
I stick with ALSA.
BTW, when I right-click on the KMix applet and choose Select Master Channel, I just get
a
radio-button list, no way to choose an underlying device. (?)
Leslie
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8:58 a.m.
New subject: [users] [users] How to select the default soundcard ? [OT]
On 2021-05-31 02:32:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interesting. In your screenshot the dropdownlist with the selectable
soundcards is missing. Here's what I get on my system.
Nik
Is it not? I have to wonder if the fellow who packages Trinity for OpenSuSE has disabled
that, since in OpenSuSE it's controlled by a YaST module.
Leslie
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Things might be different with pulseaudio, but that
thing never worked
for me, probably the bad carma of it's creator still sticks on it.
Nik
My experience with pulseaudio is the same; I have learned to forbid
its installation, and I stick with ALSA.
BTW, when I right-click on the KMix applet and choose Select Master
Channel, I just get a radio-button list, no way to choose an underlying
device. (?) 
2:54 p.m.
New subject: [users] How to select the default soundcard ?
On Monday 31 May 2021 00:32:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 31 May 00:43:45 -0500
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
We both share a dislike of pulseaudio crap (if I recall aright), and prefer
alsa. But are you quite sure that no pulseaudio leftovers remain in your
system?
After I purge everything connected to pulseaudio, the only choice that
remains, or the only one that my system recognizes, is alsa. Then it is
automatically chosen as default.
Make sure you purge not only pulseaudio* but also pavucontrol, and similar
packages. You probably already know this, I imagine, so this is just a
reminder.
That pulseaudio stuff somehow gets into my system through other packages that
usually don't mention it.
Also you recommended alsamixer to me a few months ago (thanks much!), wherein
you can choose your soundcard. I'm not sure if your choice in alsamixer
affects kmix; but I know that I don't have this problem any more.
Bill
On 2021-05-30 12:10:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interesting. In your screenshot the dropdownlist with the selectable
soundcards is missing. Here's what I get on my system.
Nik
> Leslie
> --
> Operating System: Linux
> Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64
> Desktop Environment: Trinity
> Qt: 3.5.0
> TDE: R14.0.10
> tde-config: 1.0 Things might be different with pulseaudio, but
that thing never worked
for me, probably the bad carma of it's creator still sticks on it.
Nik
My experience with pulseaudio is the same; I have learned to forbid its
installation, and I stick with ALSA.
BTW, when I right-click on the KMix applet and choose Select Master
Channel, I just get a radio-button list, no way to choose an underlying
device. (?) 
8:22 p.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
That pulseaudio stuff somehow gets into my system
through other packages
that usually don't mention it.
IMO using pulseaudio if you already have dbus is perfectly OK.
In the past 2-3 years pulseaudio has become very good and safe to use.
watch out that you do not become a victim of the purists.
8:56 p.m.
New subject: [users] How to select the default soundcard ?
On Monday 31 May 2021 10:54:18 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 31 May 2021 00:32:12 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
There is also a program called
"default sound card" which will set it for you.
The package name for pclo is "asoundconf & asoundconf-gtk"
Kate
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 31 May 00:43:45 -0500
J Leslie Turriff scripsit:
We both share a dislike of pulseaudio crap (if I recall aright), and prefer
alsa. But are you quite sure that no pulseaudio leftovers remain in your
system?
After I purge everything connected to pulseaudio, the only choice that
remains, or the only one that my system recognizes, is alsa. Then it is
automatically chosen as default.
Make sure you purge not only pulseaudio* but also pavucontrol, and similar
packages. You probably already know this, I imagine, so this is just a
reminder.
That pulseaudio stuff somehow gets into my system through other packages
that usually don't mention it.
Also you recommended alsamixer to me a few months ago (thanks much!),
wherein you can choose your soundcard. I'm not sure if your choice in
alsamixer affects kmix; but I know that I don't have this problem any more.
Bill
____________________________________________________ On 2021-05-30 12:10:34 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Interesting. In your screenshot the dropdownlist with the selectable
soundcards is missing. Here's what I get on my system.
Nik
> Leslie
> --
> Operating System: Linux
> Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.2 x86_64
> Desktop Environment: Trinity
> Qt: 3.5.0
> TDE: R14.0.10
> tde-config: 1.0 Things might be different with pulseaudio, but
that thing never
worked for me, probably the bad carma of it's creator still sticks on
it.
Nik
My experience with pulseaudio is the same; I have learned to forbid
its installation, and I stick with ALSA.
BTW, when I right-click on the KMix applet and choose Select Master
Channel, I just get a radio-button list, no way to choose an underlying
device. (?)
8:58 p.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
On Monday 31 May 2021 04:22:39 pm deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Agreed, now that PA is stable
I use it in concert with alsa. Once you learn
all the tricks and oddities. It's easy to use and control. Just pay close
attention to the defaults in PA. Also make sure to set your default
soundcard.
Kate
That pulseaudio stuff somehow gets into my system
through other packages
that usually don't mention it.
IMO using pulseaudio if you already have dbus is perfectly OK.
In the past 2-3 years pulseaudio has become very good and safe to use.
watch out that you do not become a victim of the purists.
____________________________________________________
9:20 p.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
On Monday 31 May 2021 13:22:39 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
No purist here, good sir! I like whatever works; whatever works better, that
will do. But I also like to feel that I am in control of my own system.
Whenever pulseaudio no longer bothers me by taking over my sound system, then
I might leave it there.
If everything just worked, and I felt in control of my own system, then I
would probably still be running Windoze or the rotten Apple. It isn't that I
set out to be "pure" with some preconceived notion; it just turns out that
the things that bother me tend to fall predictably into the same few
categories.
At some point in the future, I may change my mind on this or that; otherwise,
I will die and at last be freed from these infernal machines.
Bill
That pulseaudio stuff somehow gets into my system
through other packages
that usually don't mention it.
IMO using pulseaudio if you already have dbus is perfectly OK.
In the past 2-3 years pulseaudio has become very good and safe to use.
watch out that you do not become a victim of the purists.
1 Jun
1 Jun
8:08 a.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
No purist here, good sir! I like whatever works;
whatever works better,
that will do. But I also like to feel that I am in control of my own
system. Whenever pulseaudio no longer bothers me by taking over my sound
system, then I might leave it there.
If everything just worked, and I felt in control of my own system, then I
would probably still be running Windoze or the rotten Apple. It isn't that
I set out to be "pure" with some preconceived notion; it just turns out
that the things that bother me tend to fall predictably into the same few
categories.
At some point in the future, I may change my mind on this or that;
otherwise, I will die and at last be freed from these infernal machines.
IMO it is much harder to make things work without pulseaudio than with. I
have the same mindset as you do and I found out that reading pulseaudio
documentation and finding out why things do not work helped me a lot.
Few years ago I cam to the conclusion (it was PA 10 or 11) that the version
was very buggy, but developers fixed the issues in v12. I compiled v12
myself and see all my problems were gone. Meanwhile with buster and PA v12
all is fine (Except some minors around bluetooth). Now I hear v15 is on the
horizon, so you can imagine developers are not sleeping.
Regarding PA taking control over your sound system. This is exactly how it
should work to benefit from PA. Let it go and enjoy. I am not advocating
for PA. I simply know it works just fine.
We had also few discussions on the dev list with Michele regarding kmix. It
needs some adjustments, but it is not possible to do them right now.
Michele did some improvements based on the patches one other guy (I am
sorry I forgot the name) proposed. So for myself I found out the best is to
use the custom setting for the master channel on the pulseaudio mixer set
as default (sorry for the cyrillic) and for the fine tunning I use the ALSA
mixer and pavucontrol. pavucontrol can control the individual volume of
specific application (firefox, audio player etc), which kimix still can
not. pavucontrol can also control how Bluetooth (mobile phone) is handled
by the audio system.
It indeed depends on the use cases, but more complex use cases require more
complex tools and I do not see a chance a purist can do them. In fact what
I see are advises based on 5y old experience with PA (perhaps version 10 or
earlier), which lead to even bigger issues and end up in loop of errors.
Of course the machine and the choice is yours.
I know that you guys are not the youngest and hope I could help with sharing
my experience.
9:31 a.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
On Tuesday 01 June 2021 01:08:15 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
I don't use sound in any browser, ever. If I want music or a video, I download
it, and listen/watch it on a media player. Also I do not use Bluetooth for
anything at all.
No purist here, good sir! I like whatever works;
whatever works better,
that will do. But I also like to feel that I am in control of my own
system. Whenever pulseaudio no longer bothers me by taking over my sound
system, then I might leave it there.
If everything just worked, and I felt in control of my own system, then I
would probably still be running Windoze or the rotten Apple. It isn't
that I set out to be "pure" with some preconceived notion; it just turns
out that the things that bother me tend to fall predictably into the same
few categories.
At some point in the future, I may change my mind on this or that;
otherwise, I will die and at last be freed from these infernal machines.
IMO it is much harder to make things work without pulseaudio than with. I
have the same mindset as you do and I found out that reading pulseaudio
documentation and finding out why things do not work helped me a lot.
Few years ago I cam to the conclusion (it was PA 10 or 11) that the version
was very buggy, but developers fixed the issues in v12. I compiled v12
myself and see all my problems were gone. Meanwhile with buster and PA v12
all is fine (Except some minors around bluetooth). Now I hear v15 is on the
horizon, so you can imagine developers are not sleeping.
Regarding PA taking control over your sound system. This is exactly how it
should work to benefit from PA. Let it go and enjoy. I am not advocating
for PA. I simply know it works just fine.
We had also few discussions on the dev list with Michele regarding kmix. It
needs some adjustments, but it is not possible to do them right now.
Michele did some improvements based on the patches one other guy (I am
sorry I forgot the name) proposed. So for myself I found out the best is to
use the custom setting for the master channel on the pulseaudio mixer set
as default (sorry for the cyrillic) and for the fine tunning I use the ALSA
mixer and pavucontrol. pavucontrol can control the individual volume of
specific application (firefox, audio player etc), which kimix still can
not. pavucontrol can also control how Bluetooth (mobile phone) is handled
by the audio system.
It indeed depends on the use cases, but more complex use cases require more
complex tools and I do not see a chance a purist can do them. In fact what
I see are advises based on 5y old experience with PA (perhaps version 10 or
earlier), which lead to even bigger issues and end up in loop of errors.
You seem to allude to "problems" (I don't know if that's the right word)
that
are not obvious, or which I haven't yet experienced. I would be interested to
know more, for future reference. As I say, alsa serves my needs at the
moment, but I could change my mind. I am open to being convinced.
Of course the machine and the choice is yours.
I know that you guys are not the youngest and hope I could help with
sharing my experience.
Well, just from the glance at your screenshot, that is basically what I see in
Kmix with pulseaudio as the soundcard. And if that's what you want, it's
fine, but I like to see all the controls available.
As an occasional working musician, I like to play around with all the
possibilities of channels; for me, Kmix and alsamixer show me the information
that I want.
And for recording, of course, I use audacity, which again I find (for my own
needs) works best with alsa.
I do not cling to fixed opinions, nor am I fearful of change; but I do want my
machines to do what I want. Otherwise, it gets in the way of what I really
want to be doing. My machine is supposed to be a tool that facilitates what I
am doing. Ideally I would like to just have various presets already
configured, so that I can just push a button and start recording - sort of
like it used to be back in the good old days.
And while I may be an oldster, it's true, I am a young oldster. Most people my
age, and many who are 20 years younger, would have a hard time keeping up
with me. (But only if I have had my sleep, and some coffee, and a few hours
to ease into the day, which usually begins sometime in the afternoon. And
then, once I get myself together ... we're off!)
;-)
Bill
11:21 a.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
forget also the alluded problems
this is where it starts getting interested. You ignored completely
pavucontrol.
I don't use sound in any browser, ever. If I want
music or a video, I
download it, and listen/watch it on a media player. Also I do not use
Bluetooth for anything at all.
OK - it seems we have no common use case here - forget this part then.
It indeed depends on the use cases, but more complex use cases require
more complex tools and I do not see a chance a purist can do them. In
fact what I see are advises based on 5y old experience with PA (perhaps
version 10 or earlier), which lead to even bigger issues and end up in
loop of errors.
You seem to allude to "problems" (I don't know if that's the right
word)
that are not obvious, or which I haven't yet experienced. I would be
interested to know more, for future reference. As I say, alsa serves my
needs at the moment, but I could change my mind. I am open to being
convinced.
Of course the machine and the choice is yours.
I know that you guys are not the youngest and hope I could help with
sharing my experience.
Well, just from the glance at your screenshot, that is basically what I
see in Kmix with pulseaudio as the soundcard. And if that's what you want,
it's fine, but I like to see all the controls available.
As an occasional working musician, I like to play around with all the
possibilities of channels; for me, Kmix and alsamixer show me the
information that I want.
And for recording, of course, I use audacity, which
again I find (for my
own needs) works best with alsa.
I have not used it that often - I am also interested in music, but I have no
time at all. From what I remember jack was a must in combination with
several audio cards. But it is also irrelevant to the original problem
Now if you open pavucontrol you should see your multiple sound cards. is the
one you want to use as default set as "fall back"?
Otherwise it seems it is indeed a problem with kmix and should be handled as
a bug or you try to index the cards and the one becomes 1st from the OS
perspective.
cat /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
options snd_hda_intel index=0
options snd-usb-audio index=1
regards
1:20 p.m.
New subject: [users] How to select the default soundcard ?
On 2021-05-31 15:22:39 deloptes wrote:
William Morder via tde-users wrote:
pulseaudio has never worked for me; I used to try to get it to work after every upgrade,
but finally I have just told YaST to Forbid installation of its components.
Leslie
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That pulseaudio stuff somehow gets into my system
through other packages
that usually don't mention it.
IMO using pulseaudio if you already have dbus is perfectly OK.
In the past 2-3 years pulseaudio has become very good and safe to use.
watch out that you do not become a victim of the purists.
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5:46 p.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
J Leslie Turriff wrote:
pulseaudio has never worked for me; I used to try to
get it to work after
every upgrade, but finally I have just told YaST to Forbid installation of
its components.
Don't know about SuSE or your setup. It works great here since version 12.2.
regards
4 Jun
4 Jun
8:06 p.m.
New subject: [users] How to select the default soundcard ?
Hi Kate!
Anno domini 2021 Mon, 31 May 16:56:43 -0400
Borg Labs scripsit:
[...]
There is also a program called "default sound card" which will set it for you.
The package name for pclo is "asoundconf & asoundconf-gtk"
asoundconf-gtk requires GTK2, which is gone on chimera/debian11.
BTW, anybody using WebRTC be preapared for a nasty surprise with chromium_90: The only
working mic is on your default soundcard aka #0. USB mics don't work. You might want
to keep chromium_89 till this is fixed.
Nik
Kate
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8:55 p.m.
New subject: [users] How to select the default soundcard ?
On Friday 04 June 2021 03:06:43 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Borg Labs scripsit:
Huh, I thought WebRTC was a security hole and should be completely turned off?
Here's the bit I've seen:
"WebRTC allows websites to view your unique IP address and expose your
identifying details, even if you are using a VPN."
I guess if you don't care, but I'm a bit tired of G, FB, and the rest tracking
everything everyone does...
Best,
Michael
[...]
There is also a program called "default sound card" which will set it for
you. The package name for pclo is "asoundconf & asoundconf-gtk"
asoundconf-gtk requires GTK2, which is gone on chimera/debian11.
BTW, anybody using WebRTC be preapared for a nasty surprise with
chromium_90: The only working mic is on your default soundcard aka #0. USB
mics don't work. You might want to keep chromium_89 till this is fixed.
9:16 p.m.
New subject: [users] How to select the default soundcard ?
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 4 Jun 15:55:44 -0500
Michael scripsit:
On Friday 04 June 2021 03:06:43 pm Dr. Nikolaus Klepp
wrote:
Sure. Problem is, I need jitsi working. Big surprise after todays update: chromium is not
able to select any mic but the one on card #0. All other devices get a "resource
busy" error - which is absolutely useless. BTW. chromium_89 shows the same problem
with kernel 5.10.40. But audacity works like a charm :(
Nik
Borg Labs scripsit:
Huh, I thought WebRTC was a security hole and should be completely turned off?
Here's the bit I've seen:
"WebRTC allows websites to view your unique IP address and expose your
identifying details, even if you are using a VPN."
I guess if you don't care, but I'm a bit tired of G, FB, and the rest tracking
everything everyone does... [...]
There is also a program called "default sound card" which will set it for
you. The package name for pclo is "asoundconf & asoundconf-gtk"
asoundconf-gtk requires GTK2, which is gone on chimera/debian11.
BTW, anybody using WebRTC be preapared for a nasty surprise with
chromium_90: The only working mic is on your default soundcard aka #0. USB
mics don't work. You might want to keep chromium_89 till this is fixed.
Best,
Michael
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9:44 p.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
"WebRTC
allows websites to view your unique IP address and expose your
identifying details, even if you are using a VPN."
I guess if you don't care, but I'm a bit tired of G, FB, and the rest
tracking everything everyone does...
Sure. Problem is, I need jitsi working. Big surprise after todays update:
chromium is not able to select any mic but the one on card #0. All other
devices get a "resource busy" error - which is absolutely useless. BTW.
chromium_89 shows the same problem with kernel 5.10.40. But audacity works
like a charm :( 
9:47 p.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
PaleMoon has no WebRTC BTW...
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5 Jun
5 Jun
1:41 a.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
Icecat, but you either have to compile from source, or use a third-party deb
installer (if you are running a Debian-type system).
I did check out the deb; there is a checksum to verify its authenticity. And I
install it using sudo torify dpkg, works just fine.
But I would still avoid that WebRTC stuff. I don't hear good things about it
except from the people pushing it.
Bill
On Friday 04 June 2021 14:47:01 Mavridis Philippe wrote:
PaleMoon has no WebRTC BTW...
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2:19 a.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
said William Morder via tde-users:
| But I would still avoid that WebRTC stuff. I don't hear good things
| about it except from the people pushing it.
Go here and see what you think:
https://ipleak.net/
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2:47 a.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
On Friday 04 June 2021 19:19:22 dep wrote:
said William Morder via tde-users:
| But I would still avoid that WebRTC stuff. I don't hear good things
| about it except from the people pushing it.
Go here and see what you think:
https://ipleak.net/
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Yup, I use that site every single day, also this site:
http://jlve2y45zacpbz6s.onion/
http://t3qi4hdmvqo752lhyglhyb5ysoutggsdocmkxhuojfn62ntpcyydwmqd.onion/
Use over Tor! There are also https pages, and a non-onion page.
Bill
P.S. Sorry about top-posting earlier. I had just come home, and was a little
out of it.
5:35 a.m.
New subject: How to select the default soundcard ?
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
BTW, anybody using WebRTC be preapared for a nasty
surprise with
chromium_90: The only working mic is on your default soundcard aka #0. USB
mics don't work. You might want to keep chromium_89 till this is fixed.
why WebRTC and why Chromium?!
I am not sure if skype is using ... as it uses chromium code in the
background but this is a different topic.
What about Firefox - I know microphone and camera access there are disabled
by default.
12:02 p.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
Hi all!
This is in answer to all the postings in this thread.
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 4 Jun 16:44:40 -0500
Michael scripsit:
Try Palemoon and/or Waterfox? That'd at least get you out of some of the
Google hell Chromium is...
Firefox and all its decendents use the first input source als mic and you cannot select
any other. That is true for firfox, waterfox, icecat ... whatever. As the first input
source may aor may not be anything real, it renders firefox quite useless for any
browserbased (video)conference.
It's in the very nature of WebRTC to expose your address, as it's using p2p for 2
client conversation. If that's a problem, don't use it. I myself use tox for
secure conferences, but that does not allow videochat for more than 2 parties (well, you
can work around that ...).
So chrome/chromium is/was the only browser capable of selecting the correct input source.
With kernel 5.10.40-1 chromium is not able to so any more for input source served by
snd_usb_audio. I do not think it's directly related to snd_usb_audio but to all
devices that only present input sources without output sinks like webcams, usb-mics etc.,
as multiple onboard soundcards and PCI soundcards on the same system are selectable within
chromium and they all have source+sink. Looks like a classic "intelligent programmer
made a sesible choice" problem to me :/
My workaround is for now: attach a analog mic to the onboard soundcard aka card#0. That
mic is then used by firefox and chromium alike. Well, take what you get and run like hell
... aint there a config option for alsa to build assign the default/sysdefault mic to
device and the output to an other?
Niki
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"WebRTC allows websites to view your unique IP
address and expose your
identifying details, even if you are using a VPN."
I guess if you don't care, but I'm a bit tired of G, FB, and the rest
tracking everything everyone does...
Sure. Problem is, I need jitsi working. Big surprise after todays update:
chromium is not able to select any mic but the one on card #0. All other
devices get a "resource busy" error - which is absolutely useless. BTW.
chromium_89 shows the same problem with kernel 5.10.40. But audacity works
like a charm :(
8 Jun
8 Jun
2:04 p.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
In answer to myself - and so that it's not lost:
Reserve card#0 for the 4th soundcard or snd_usb_audio - whatever comes first:
# /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base.conf
options snd_usb_audio index=0
options snd_hda_intel index=1,2,3
Now chromium still uses mic#0 of card#0 - which may or may not be the working virtual mic
of the usb mic. In my case it's not a working mic, I have to select mic#1 of card#0.
Anyway, it is fairly persistent and at least works across reboots in a consistent way -
that is, till you have 2 snd_usb_audio devices or ... *sigh*
And for the record: I even tried pulsaudio - but as my workaround does not mention it you
can safely assume that I did not have great success with that thingie.
Nik
Anno domini 2021 Sat, 5 Jun 14:02:23 +0200
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp scripsit:
Hi all!
This is in answer to all the postings in this thread.
Anno domini 2021 Fri, 4 Jun 16:44:40 -0500
Michael scripsit:
Try Palemoon and/or Waterfox? That'd at least get you out of some of the
Google hell Chromium is...
Firefox and all its decendents use the first input source als mic and you cannot select
any other. That is true for firfox, waterfox, icecat ... whatever. As the first input
source may aor may not be anything real, it renders firefox quite useless for any
browserbased (video)conference.
It's in the very nature of WebRTC to expose your address, as it's using p2p for 2
client conversation. If that's a problem, don't use it. I myself use tox for
secure conferences, but that does not allow videochat for more than 2 parties (well, you
can work around that ...).
So chrome/chromium is/was the only browser capable of selecting the correct input source.
With kernel 5.10.40-1 chromium is not able to so any more for input source served by
snd_usb_audio. I do not think it's directly related to snd_usb_audio but to all
devices that only present input sources without output sinks like webcams, usb-mics etc.,
as multiple onboard soundcards and PCI soundcards on the same system are selectable within
chromium and they all have source+sink. Looks like a classic "intelligent programmer
made a sesible choice" problem to me :/
My workaround is for now: attach a analog mic to the onboard soundcard aka card#0. That
mic is then used by firefox and chromium alike. Well, take what you get and run like hell
... aint there a config option for alsa to build assign the default/sysdefault mic to
device and the output to an other?
Niki
--
Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA,
CIA ...
"WebRTC allows websites to view your unique IP
address and expose your
identifying details, even if you are using a VPN."
I guess if you don't care, but I'm a bit tired of G, FB, and the rest
tracking everything everyone does...
Sure. Problem is, I need jitsi working. Big surprise after todays update:
chromium is not able to select any mic but the one on card #0. All other
devices get a "resource busy" error - which is absolutely useless. BTW.
chromium_89 shows the same problem with kernel 5.10.40. But audacity works
like a charm :(
9 Jun
9 Jun
12:28 a.m.
New subject: [OT] WebRTC & other browsers
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
And for the record: I even tried pulsaudio - but as my
workaround does not
mention it you can safely assume that I did not have great success with
that thingie.
that is strange because PA shows up usually as card0/mic0
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