16 Mar
2011
16 Mar
'11
4:39 p.m.
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though not fixed or
answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except
login.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to
setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a
network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home
wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it
select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure
on the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from
me to diagnose this?
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Ed Hurst
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Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/
blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
16 Mar
16 Mar
5:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 7:39 PM, Ed Hurst <eddie(a)soulkiln.org> wrote:
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though
not fixed or
answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except
login.
I noticed this when installing with KDE4 already there. I didn't try
with a preinstalled GNOME or LXDE. I fixed it by doing a minimal
install of Debian with no gui, then installing via apt-get.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to
jack around to setup
the X auth for root using the commandline.
Does kdesudo work? If you selected to turn off root logins when
installing, kdesu may not work.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as
root, it does find a
network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi
connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it.
From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
I didn't have a chance to configure a network (my hard disk died soon
after I installed Debian), but if Debian has NetworkManager, you might
be able to use KNetworkManager. It will at least support WPA(1/2) if
you have the wpa_supplicant service started, but KWifi doesn't.
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't
connect and configure on
the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from me to
diagnose this?
--
Ed Hurst
--------
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Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/
blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
Hope that helps!
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Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
6:12 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 19:39, Ed Hurst <eddie(a)soulkiln.org> wrote:
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though
not fixed or
answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else except
login.
Known bug
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to setup
the X auth for root using the commandline.
Also Known bug
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a
network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home wifi
connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it select it.
From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
Known bug also
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure on
the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need from me to
diagnose this?
Yea... Well, wait a week and updates will be headed shortly to your mirrors :)
--
later, Robert Xu
6:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:56:22 -0500, Kristopher Gamrat
<pikidalto(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I still use GNOME for certain purposes, so that's not an option right now.
I didn't setup sudo because I hate it, and I never need kdesudo. I'm
hoping someone can find out why kdesu won't accept the root password when
I need to configure something which requires Admin mode.
KNetworkManager shows both the wired and wifi, but won't allow me to use
them. The interface comes up and is locked, in the sense it doesn't react
to the mouse. And I can't get into Admin mode because kdesu won't work.
--
Ed Hurst
--------
Open for Business - http://ofb.biz/
Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/
blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
KDM --
won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else
except login.
I noticed this when installing with KDE4 already there. I didn't try
with a preinstalled GNOME or LXDE. I fixed it by doing a minimal
install of Debian with no gui, then installing via apt-get. Kdesu --
refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to
setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
Does kdesudo work? If you selected to turn off root logins when
installing, kdesu may not work. KWifiManager
-- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a
network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home
wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it
select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
I didn't have a chance to configure a network (my hard disk died soon
after I installed Debian), but if Debian has NetworkManager, you might
be able to use KNetworkManager. It will at least support WPA(1/2) if
you have the wpa_supplicant service started, but KWifi doesn't. 
6:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On 16/03/11 23:39, Ed Hurst wrote:
I noticed some of these were already mentioned, though
not fixed or
answered, so far as I can determine.
KDM -- won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else
except login.
Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to jack around to
setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as root, it does find a
network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home
wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it
select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
This last one is a show-stopper for me. If I can't connect and configure
on the fly wherever I go, the DE is useless. So, what would you need
from me to diagnose this?
Kdesu does not function properly
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=451
Kdesudo does work but sudo is generally not the preferred method for
Debian users
I posted a workaround in the forum:
http://www.trinitydesktop.org/forums/showthread.php?tid=15
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better here than
knetworkmanager ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of
kde4 as deps. I use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
This link is the best wpagui setup info I know of:
http://www.mat.uniroma2.it/~locatell/linux&noi/documenti/sidux-manual/e…
Don't know about your kdm, someone else might if you post more info.
Works fine here.
6:43 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Ed Hurst <eddie(a)soulkiln.org> wrote:
I didn't setup sudo because I hate it, and I never need kdesudo. I'm hoping
someone can find out why kdesu won't accept the root password when I need to
configure something which requires Admin mode.
Yeah, unprotected sudo isn't very safe, but if kdesu doesn't work,
you'll have to kdesudo until it's fixed.
KNetworkManager shows both the wired and wifi, but won't allow me to use
them. The interface comes up and is locked, in the sense it doesn't react to
the mouse. And I can't get into Admin mode because kdesu won't work.
KNetworkManager does require root in Debian AFAIK, so you'll either
have to wait or use kdesudo. Or you can take a more annoying and not
recomended path of logging in with root, using knetworkmanager,
logging out, and going back to your normal user.
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 19:56:22 -0500, Kristopher Gamrat
<pikidalto(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
I still use GNOME for certain purposes, so that's not an option right now.
You can always install GNOME after. Of course, you'd have to hassle
with backing up your settings and docs first.
KDM --
won't allow me to shut down, reboot or much of anything else
except login.
I noticed this when installing with KDE4 already there. I didn't try
with a preinstalled GNOME or LXDE. I fixed it by doing a minimal
install of Debian with no gui, then installing via apt-get. Kdesu -- refuses to accept my root password. I have to
jack around to
setup the X auth for root using the commandline.
Does kdesudo work? If you selected to turn off root logins when
installing, kdesu may not work. KWifiManager -- If I launch from the commandline as
root, it does find a
network, but the wrong one. I can't get it to let me select my in-home
wifi connection. It lists it for a scan, but I see no means to make it
select it. From my user account, I can't do anything with it at all.
I didn't have a chance to configure a network (my hard disk died soon
after I installed Debian), but if Debian has NetworkManager, you might
be able to use KNetworkManager. It will at least support WPA(1/2) if
you have the wpa_supplicant service started, but KWifi doesn't. --
Ed Hurst
--------
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Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/
blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
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6:53 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That may be why it had trouble for me -- kdm-trinity and kdm-kde4.
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Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
I still use
GNOME for certain purposes,
Maybe there is a conflict because gdm is also running, have a look in
sysv-rc-conf
It should also be possible to start/stop Trinity from gdm and not use
kdm-trinity
7 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On 17/03/11 01:53, Kristopher Gamrat wrote:
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 9:49 PM, David
Hare<davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
That may be why it had trouble for me -- kdm-trinity and kdm-kde4.
I needed to run "update-alternatives --all" after installing LXDE to get
the defaults I wanted
Be careful with that if you use it, go through it first without making
any changes
I still
use GNOME for certain purposes,
Maybe there is a conflict because gdm is also running, have a look in
sysv-rc-conf
It should also be possible to start/stop Trinity from gdm and not use
kdm-trinity
7:18 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:34 -0500, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better here
than knetworkmanager
ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of kde4 as deps. I
use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
Interesting. I got it installed but it wouldn't find my wifi interface.
The manual setup I already understood from past experience using a laptop
without X (back in the days of Etch). Of course, it matters not what I can
do for myself, but this machine is a demo model for Linux newbies
migrating from Windows. I'm not willing to put them through manual wifi
config that way. I suppose I should have mentioned that in my initial
whine ;-)
--
Ed Hurst
--------
Open for Business - http://ofb.biz/
Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/
blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
7:20 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, Mar 16, 2011 at 10:18 PM, Ed Hurst <eddie(a)soulkiln.org> wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:34 -0500, David Hare
<davidahare(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Oh yes, we need to pull in the newbies. TDE isn't a fully polished
product yet, though, but we are working out some major issues via our
development version. Unfortunately that may be awhile and KDE3/TDE are
IMO the best ones for newbies. You may be able to get away with a
distro that uses KDE 3.5.10 until we can make a new release.
--
Kris
"Piki"
Ark Linux Webmaster
Trinity Desktop Environment Packager
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better
here than knetworkmanager
ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of kde4 as deps. I use
"apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
Interesting. I got it installed but it wouldn't find my wifi interface. The
manual setup I already understood from past experience using a laptop
without X (back in the days of Etch). Of course, it matters not what I can
do for myself, but this machine is a demo model for Linux newbies migrating
from Windows. I'm not willing to put them through manual wifi config that
way. I suppose I should have mentioned that in my initial whine ;-)
7:23 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:49:51 -0500, David Hare <davidahare(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
Maybe there is a conflict because gdm is also running,
have a look in
sysv-rc-conf. It should also be possible to start/stop Trinity from
gdm and not use kdm-trinity.
I tried it both ways. During installation of the Trinity Desktop, apt-get
wants you to choose your login manager. At first I tried KDM-Trinity, but
it was missing some features. So I went back to GDM3 and there's no
problem logging into any session I like.
But since we are told it's a known bug, I'll just wait until these things
are replaced in the coming updates. Thanks.
--
Ed Hurst
--------
Open for Business - http://ofb.biz/
Kiln of the Soul - http://soulkiln.org/
blog - http://soulkiln.blogspot.com/
7:25 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Issues on Squeeze
On 17/03/11 02:18, Ed Hurst wrote:
On Wed, 16 Mar 2011 20:34:34 -0500, David Hare
<davidahare(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
If you read the link from sidux wiki I posted and did the configs right,
you do that one time only. Thereafter it works as normal user, for me
flawlessly.
You will certainly have to restart the network or probably even reboot
after you do that, so /etc/network/interfaces and
/etc/wpa_supplicant/wpa_supplicant .conf have been changed.
Another really good network config app is "ceni", it's in Mepis repos.
It's cli but ncurses-based and interactive.
From normal Squeeze repos, wpagui works better
here than
knetworkmanager ever did. It is qt4 but will not also install half of
kde4 as deps. I use "apt-get install no-install-recommends wpagui"
Interesting. I got it installed but it wouldn't find my wifi interface.
The manual setup I already understood from past experience using a
laptop without X (back in the days of Etch). Of course, it matters not
what I can do for myself, but this machine is a demo model for Linux
newbies migrating from Windows. I'm not willing to put them through
manual wifi config that way. I suppose I should have mentioned that in
my initial whine ;-)
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