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In a box the hard drives of which had never been used, I installed a basic stretch, leaving me at the end only with the command line for any further packages installations.
I the did the following: all these commands were run as root.
Since I wanted to install TDE only -- no other DEs -- I ran command "apt-get x-window-system". When that was done I was able to run successfully startx.
I added to /etc/sources.list the following two lines:
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14
I then ran successfully: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668
and then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" successfully.
When next I ran "apt-get install tde-trinity" the following was returned.
Reading package lists... done Reading dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not been created or been move out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies: tde-trinity: Depends: tde-core-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed.
tde-trinity: Depends: tdegraphics-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems; you have broken packages.
Running "aptitude install tde-trinity returns a similar message.
I would appreciate it greatly if someone could tell me what all the foregoing means and what to do now to install the TDE.
Regards, Ken Heard
On 2016/07/17 08:55 AM, Ken Heard wrote:
In a box the hard drives of which had never been used, I installed a basic stretch, leaving me at the end only with the command line for any further packages installations.
I the did the following: all these commands were run as root.
Since I wanted to install TDE only -- no other DEs -- I ran command "apt-get x-window-system". When that was done I was able to run successfully startx.
I added to /etc/sources.list the following two lines:
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14
I then ran successfully: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668
and then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" successfully.
When next I ran "apt-get install tde-trinity" the following was returned.
Reading package lists... done Reading dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not been created or been move out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies: tde-trinity: Depends: tde-core-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed.
tde-trinity: Depends: tdegraphics-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems; you have broken packages.
Running "aptitude install tde-trinity returns a similar message.
I would appreciate it greatly if someone could tell me what all the foregoing means and what to do now to install the TDE.
Regards, Ken Heard
Hi Ken, see this page https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall#For_Stretch_.28Debian_9.x.29
Stretch is not officially supported yet, although TDE works well in Stretch. You did everything correct, but last command should be sudo aptitude install tde-trinity
If this doesn't work, it means some packages are now broken and we will need to fix them. Hopefully I can come back and do some work very soon (I also use Stretch, so if some packages are broken I will have to work on them whenever I want to update).
Please let us know how it goes. Cheers Michele
Michele Calgaro composed on 2016-07-17 11:25 (UTC+0700):
Ken Heard wrote:
I the did the following: all these commands were run as root.
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Running "aptitude install tde-trinity returns a similar message.
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You did everything correct, but last command should be sudo aptitude install tde-trinity
Why sudo while running as root? Is that even possible?
There is no need to use sudo in Debian unless you specifically set it up to require sudo access. Even then the admin user, i.e. the first user, shouldn't need sudo because they should have root access.
On 17 July 2016 at 14:50, Felix Miata mrmazda@earthlink.net wrote:
Michele Calgaro composed on 2016-07-17 11:25 (UTC+0700):
Ken Heard wrote:
I the did the following: all these commands were run as root.
...
Running "aptitude install tde-trinity returns a similar message.
...
You did everything correct, but last command should be
sudo aptitude install tde-trinity
Why sudo while running as root? Is that even possible?
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Ken Heard composed on 2016-07-16 21:55 (UTC-0400):
In a box the hard drives of which had never been used, I installed a basic stretch, leaving me at the end only with the command line for any further packages installations.
I the did the following: all these commands were run as root.
Since I wanted to install TDE only -- no other DEs -- I ran command "apt-get x-window-system". When that was done I was able to run successfully startx.
I added to /etc/sources.list the following two lines:
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14
I then ran successfully: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668
and then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" successfully.
When next I ran "apt-get install tde-trinity" the following was returned.
Reading package lists... done Reading dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not been created or been move out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies: tde-trinity: Depends: tde-core-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed.
tde-trinity: Depends: tdegraphics-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems; you have broken packages.
Running "aptitude install tde-trinity returns a similar message.
I would appreciate it greatly if someone could tell me what all the foregoing means and what to do now to install the TDE.
Whether this could be helpful or not I have no idea, but I just ran aptitude upgrade on a 14.0.4 on Stretch installation last upgraded 22 May. it reported 30 "not upgraded", 279 upgraded, 6 new, 1 removed. No errors were noted on completion, and neither tdegraphics-trinity nor tde-core-trinity are currently installed. Note that I do not install tde-trinity. Instead, I install trinity-tdm and tdebase-trinity, plus several other trinity-* I routinely use, and don't bloat the installation with gobs of never to be used apps and libs.
It seems Michelle is likely right in saying something on the mirrors is broken, but I am able to open a TDE session that seems normally functional. So, you might want to try starting with a more compact installation like I do, then add whatever more it takes to suit you personally.
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On 2016-07-17 03:18, Felix Miata wrote:
Whether this could be helpful or not I have no idea, but I just ran aptitude upgrade on a 14.0.4 on Stretch installation last upgraded 22 May. it reported 30 "not upgraded", 279 upgraded, 6 new, 1 removed. No errors were noted on completion, and neither tdegraphics-trinity nor tde-core-trinity are currently installed. Note that I do not install tde-trinity. Instead, I install trinity-tdm and tdebase-trinity, plus several other trinity-* I routinely use, and don't bloat the installation with gobs of never to be used apps and libs.
There is much to be said for this approach. I effectively did the same thing when I installed Stretch. The last package installation in the installer gives user the choice to install package *groups* depending on proposed use of the computer.
I was very selective in my choices at this stage, limiting the installation to such groups as utility and printer packages. Most of the bloat however comes from installation of a DE; I deliberately did not install any of the DEs favoured by Debian. Consequently I had to install the x-window-system before installing the DE of my choice.
I want to do the same for my TDE installation. To start I tried as you suggested to install tdm-trinity and tdebase-trinity, but the return message was the same one received after my first attempt described in my original post. I will now wait until after Slávik deals with the dependencies issues.
Regards, Ken
On Sunday 17 of July 2016 17:49:21 Ken Heard wrote:
On 2016-07-17 03:18, Felix Miata wrote:
Whether this could be helpful or not I have no idea, but I just ran aptitude upgrade on a 14.0.4 on Stretch installation last upgraded 22 May. it reported 30 "not upgraded", 279 upgraded, 6 new, 1 removed. No errors were noted on completion, and neither tdegraphics-trinity nor tde-core-trinity are currently installed. Note that I do not install tde-trinity. Instead, I install trinity-tdm and tdebase-trinity, plus several other trinity-* I routinely use, and don't bloat the installation with gobs of never to be used apps and libs.
There is much to be said for this approach. I effectively did the same thing when I installed Stretch. The last package installation in the installer gives user the choice to install package *groups* depending on proposed use of the computer.
I was very selective in my choices at this stage, limiting the installation to such groups as utility and printer packages. Most of the bloat however comes from installation of a DE; I deliberately did not install any of the DEs favoured by Debian. Consequently I had to install the x-window-system before installing the DE of my choice.
I want to do the same for my TDE installation. To start I tried as you suggested to install tdm-trinity and tdebase-trinity, but the return message was the same one received after my first attempt described in my original post. I will now wait until after Slávik deals with the dependencies issues.
Regards, Ken
I looked at the status of packages that I mentioned. It appears that both are longer abandoned and that is not used practically nobody than Trinity. It can therefore be assumed that the packages will not be updated and no longer put back into the distribution.
https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnuift.html https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/poster.html
Well, apparently we must decide how to leave these dependencies.
Slávek Banko composed on 2016-07-17 21:00 (UTC+0200):
I looked at the status of packages that I mentioned. It appears that both are longer abandoned and that is not used practically nobody than Trinity. It can therefore be assumed that the packages will not be updated and no longer put back into the distribution.
https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnuift.html https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/poster.html
Well, apparently we must decide how to leave these dependencies.
I looked for corresponding packages in openSUSE repos. There is a poster package containing a script for printing of posters, but nothing resembling that described on https://www.gnu.org/software/gift/ which was last updated in 2011.
On Sunday 17 of July 2016 22:49:00 Felix Miata wrote:
Slávek Banko composed on 2016-07-17 21:00 (UTC+0200):
I looked at the status of packages that I mentioned. It appears that both are longer abandoned and that is not used practically nobody than Trinity. It can therefore be assumed that the packages will not be updated and no longer put back into the distribution.
https://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gnuift.html https://packages.qa.debian.org/p/poster.html
Well, apparently we must decide how to leave these dependencies.
I looked for corresponding packages in openSUSE repos. There is a poster package containing a script for printing of posters, but nothing resembling that described on https://www.gnu.org/software/gift/ which was last updated in 2011.
I propose to move the 'poster' from depends into recommends. This enables the installation even if the package is not present. And later we can decide whether to take the package to the Trinity.
Regarding gnuift I propose to remove this dependency and build tdegraphics without kmrml.
Ken Heard wrote:
the bloat however comes from installation of a DE; I deliberately did not install any of the DEs favoured by Debian. Consequently I had to install the x-window-system before installing the DE of my choice.
Installing X is not necessary. You can sftp to edit sources (tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list <<EOF...EOF is easier than manually editing) and add the key, aptitude install tdebase-trinity will do the rest.
Dave Lers wrote:
Ken Heard wrote:
the bloat however comes from installation of a DE; I deliberately did not install any of the DEs favoured by Debian. Consequently I had to install the x-window-system before installing the DE of my choice.
Installing X is not necessary. You can sftp to edit sources (tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list <<EOF...EOF is easier than manually editing) and add the key, aptitude install tdebase-trinity will do the rest.
s/sftp/use ssh/
Ken Heard composed on 2016-07-17 11:49 (UTC-0400):
...Most of the bloat however comes from installation of a DE; I deliberately did not install any of the DEs favoured by Debian. Consequently I had to install the x-window-system before installing the DE of my choice....
As every DE depends on X, required X packages will automatically be installed simply by installing even a minimal TDE. There's been no need for me to take the extra step in Debian, *buntu, Mageia, Fedora or openSUSE.
Ken Heard composed on 2016-07-17 11:49 (UTC-0400):
I want to do the same for my TDE installation. To start I tried as you suggested to install tdm-trinity and tdebase-trinity, but the return message was the same one received after my first attempt described in my original post. I will now wait until after Slávik deals with the dependencies issues.
Maybe you should try minimalist again. Could be your particular failings with this method were mirror issues that have since solved themselves rather than broken gnuift and/or poster requires.
On Sunday 17 July 2016 16:49:21 Ken Heard wrote:
Consequently I had to install the x-window-system before installing the DE of my choice.
I never do!! Just let TDE pull in any dependencies it needs.
Lisi
On Sunday 17 of July 2016 03:55:15 Ken Heard wrote:
In a box the hard drives of which had never been used, I installed a basic stretch, leaving me at the end only with the command line for any further packages installations.
I the did the following: all these commands were run as root.
Since I wanted to install TDE only -- no other DEs -- I ran command "apt-get x-window-system". When that was done I was able to run successfully startx.
I added to /etc/sources.list the following two lines:
deb http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14 deb-src http://mirror.xcer.cz/trinity-sb stretch deps-r14 main-r14
I then ran successfully: sudo apt-key adv --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key A04BE668
and then "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" successfully.
When next I ran "apt-get install tde-trinity" the following was returned.
Reading package lists... done Reading dependency tree Reading state information... Done Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable distribution that some required packages have not been created or been move out of Incoming. The following information may help to resolve the situation:
The following packages have unmet dependencies: tde-trinity: Depends: tde-core-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed.
tde-trinity: Depends: tdegraphics-trinity (>= 4:14.0.0~) but it is not going to be installed. E: Unable to correct problems; you have broken packages.
Running "aptitude install tde-trinity returns a similar message.
I would appreciate it greatly if someone could tell me what all the foregoing means and what to do now to install the TDE.
Regards, Ken Heard
As I see, in the Stretch are unavailable packages poster (dependency for tdeprint-trinity / tdebase) and gnuift (dependency for kmrml-trinity / tdegraphics). I need to find out what is the status of these packages - whether they have any successor. According to this will be adjusted dependencies.
Thank you for your note!
Cheers
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On 17/07/16 05:00 AM, Slávek Banko wrote:
As I see, in the Stretch are unavailable packages poster (dependency for tdeprint-trinity / tdebase) and gnuift (dependency for kmrml-trinity / tdegraphics). I need to find out what is the status of these packages - whether they have any successor. According to this will be adjusted dependencies.
Slávik,
Can you give us any indication of when these dependency issues can be resolved? If they can be resolved in the next week (or two?) I can wait that long without use of that computer. If however it will be too much longer I will have to install another DE to use in the meantime until TDE for Stretch is ready.
Regards, Ken
On Wednesday 20 of July 2016 22:02:34 Ken Heard wrote:
On 17/07/16 05:00 AM, Slávek Banko wrote:
As I see, in the Stretch are unavailable packages poster (dependency for tdeprint-trinity / tdebase) and gnuift (dependency for kmrml-trinity / tdegraphics). I need to find out what is the status of these packages - whether they have any successor. According to this will be adjusted dependencies.
Slávik,
Can you give us any indication of when these dependency issues can be resolved? If they can be resolved in the next week (or two?) I can wait that long without use of that computer. If however it will be too much longer I will have to install another DE to use in the meantime until TDE for Stretch is ready.
Regards, Ken
Updated tdebase packages are already published. Update for tdegraphics will follow soon - in order of days.
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On 20/07/16 04:17 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Can you give us any indication of when these dependency issues can be resolved? If they can be resolved in the next week (or two?) I can wait that long without use of that computer. If however it will be too much longer I will have to install another DE to use in the meantime until TDE for Stretch is ready.
Regards, Ken
Updated tdebase packages are already published. Update for tdegraphics will follow soon - in order of days.
Thank you Slávek. I just now successfully installed tdebase-trinity.
Regards, Ken
Dne st 20. července 2016 Ken Heard napsal(a):
On 20/07/16 04:17 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Can you give us any indication of when these dependency issues can be resolved? If they can be resolved in the next week (or two?) I can wait that long without use of that computer. If however it will be too much longer I will have to install another DE to use in the meantime until TDE for Stretch is ready.
Regards, Ken
Updated tdebase packages are already published. Update for tdegraphics will follow soon - in order of days.
Thank you Slávek. I just now successfully installed tdebase-trinity.
Regards, Ken
Updated tdegraphics packages are already published.
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