10 Dec
2018
10 Dec
'18
12:22 a.m.
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, dep wrote:
Sorry I didn't understand.
You installed kgtk-q3-trinity and it messed up FF and Pan?
Kate
said Slávek Banko:
| On Sunday 09 of December 2018 03:45:28 dep wrote:
| > when i try to start firefox:
| >
| > dep@dep-desktop:~$ firefox
| >
| > (firefox:2619): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+
| > 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
| > ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 2627
| > ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to
| > child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue
| > signal...
| >
| > (crashreporter:2632): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using
| > GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
| >
| > again, nothing changed in either software or configuration.
| >
| > this is very, very weird.
| > --
| > dep
| >
| > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.
|
| Are you sure that you do not have the kgtk-qt3-trinity installed?
what is the problem with kgtk-q3-trinity? I installed it today and it
made for sanity in Firefox and Pan.
fjd
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Felmon Davis 
10 Dec
10 Dec
9:57 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] and one thing more
On Sun, 9 Dec 2018, Kate Draven wrote:
on the contrary: I installed kgtk-q3-trinity and it *fixed* FF and
Pan!
but in the quoted message, Slavek was advising dep to remove it to fix
a problem.
I still have the disappearing menu items in OpenOffice though. let's
say I activate a minimized OO window; then the menu items are
visible. if I pass the mouse over them, they disappear as a group but
the individual item will appear directly under the mouse.
it's tolerable but it would be nice to fix. as far as I can tell,
other things, at least things I use the most, are civilized.
f.
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Felmon Davis
On Sun, 9 Dec
2018, dep wrote:
Sorry I didn't understand.
You installed kgtk-q3-trinity and it messed up FF and Pan? said Slávek Banko:
| On Sunday 09 of December 2018 03:45:28 dep wrote:
| > when i try to start firefox:
| >
| > dep@dep-desktop:~$ firefox
| >
| > (firefox:2619): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+
| > 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
| > ExceptionHandler::GenerateDump cloned child 2627
| > ExceptionHandler::SendContinueSignalToChild sent continue signal to
| > child ExceptionHandler::WaitForContinueSignal waiting for continue
| > signal...
| >
| > (crashreporter:2632): Gtk-ERROR **: GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using
| > GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is not supported
| >
| > again, nothing changed in either software or configuration.
| >
| > this is very, very weird.
| > --
| > dep
| >
| > Sent with ProtonMail Secure Email. Because privacy matters.
|
| Are you sure that you do not have the kgtk-qt3-trinity installed?
what is the problem with kgtk-q3-trinity? I installed it today and it
made for sanity in Firefox and Pan.
fjd
--
Felmon Davis 
1:22 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] and one thing more
On Monday 10 December 2018 03:57:35 am Felmon Davis wrote:
I still have the disappearing menu items in OpenOffice
though. let's
say I activate a minimized OO window; then the menu items are
visible. if I pass the mouse over them, they disappear as a group but
the individual item will appear directly under the mouse.
it's tolerable but it would be nice to fix. as far as I can tell,
other things, at least things I use the most, are civilized.
This is a somewhat known issue with OO. Pop-up windows in OO are also about
unreadable, which is solved by grabbing the pop-up edge with the mouse and
dragging it until it's readable. Trial and error till you find what makes
the pop-up windows fully readable.
It's also seemingly OS dependent, as I did different thing on CentOS to 'make
it better' than I did on Ubuntu.
To fix most of it (Ubuntu), I started with the theme Plastik and made mods to
that. If someone knows where themes are stored I can do a diff between my
changes and the original Plastick. Or just upload it.
6:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] and one thing more
On Mon, 10 Dec 2018, Michael wrote:
On Monday 10 December 2018 03:57:35 am Felmon Davis
wrote:
I don't think I've experienced this but I don't have pop-ups.
I still have the disappearing menu items in
OpenOffice though. let's
say I activate a minimized OO window; then the menu items are
visible. if I pass the mouse over them, they disappear as a group but
the individual item will appear directly under the mouse.
it's tolerable but it would be nice to fix. as far as I can tell,
other things, at least things I use the most, are civilized.
This is a somewhat known issue with OO. Pop-up windows in OO are also about
unreadable, which is solved by grabbing the pop-up edge with the mouse and
dragging it until it's readable. Trial and error till you find what makes
the pop-up windows fully readable. It's also seemingly OS dependent, as I did
different thing on CentOS to 'make
it better' than I did on Ubuntu.
and I didn't have the trouble under Jessie.
To fix most of it (Ubuntu), I started with the theme
Plastik and made mods to
that. If someone knows where themes are stored I can do a diff between my
changes and the original Plastick. Or just upload it.
I probably wouldn't know what to do with it but wouldn't mind having a
look. if it's not trouble, could you please upload it somewhere and
I'll grab it.
fjd
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Felmon Davis
6:54 p.m.
New subject: and one thing more
Michael wrote:
This is a somewhat known issue with OO. Pop-up
windows in OO are also
about unreadable, which is solved by grabbing the pop-up edge with the
mouse and dragging it until it's readable. Trial and error till you find
what makes the pop-up windows fully readable.
It's also seemingly OS dependent, as I did different thing on CentOS to
'make it better' than I did on Ubuntu.
To fix most of it (Ubuntu), I started with the theme Plastik and made mods
to that. If someone knows where themes are stored I can do a diff between
my changes and the original Plastick. Or just upload it.
I never had issues with Apache OO - I use it on stretch with TDE and
plastik. I usually download the deb files from Apache and install.
regards
13 Dec
13 Dec
9:12 p.m.
New subject: more Stretch stress? gtk2/gtk3 clash
greets!
don't know if it's related to Stretch - I recently upgraded from
Jessie (now somewhat to my regret) - but I did an update of Firefox
via the Mozilla online update.
subsequently (and as an effect?) Firefox lost vertical scrollbars. I
tried various things with the themes (unsystematically) and now have a
circumstance where I get:
"GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same
process is not supported"
when I try to start Firefox, Pan and Google-Chrome-Stable. online
googling has so far yielded nothing useful.
I assume I have some combination of Desktop 'effects' which clash. I'm
guessing. I can list various things but perhaps I'll wait for wiser
guidance.
I will say I have:
Redmond as GTK2 Style
Use my TDE Style in GTK3 apps
GTK@ Fonts uses Times New Roman
Decorations: Plastik
(btw I still have the issue of menu items playing hide-and-seek in
OpenOffice.)
fjd
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Felmon Davis
9:20 p.m.
New subject: more Stretch stress? gtk2/gtk3 clash
On Thu, 13 Dec 2018, Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
don't know if it's related to Stretch - I recently upgraded from Jessie (now
somewhat to my regret) - but I did an update of Firefox via the Mozilla
online update.
subsequently (and as an effect?) Firefox lost vertical scrollbars. I tried
various things with the themes (unsystematically) and now have a circumstance
where I get:
"GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is
not supported"
when I try to start Firefox, Pan and Google-Chrome-Stable. online googling
has so far yielded nothing useful.
I notice this tangle:
ldd /usr/bin/pan |grep gtk
/opt/trinity/lib/kgtk/libkgtk2.so (0x00007f23e4d9a000)
libgtk-3.so.0 => /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-3.so.0
(0x00007f23e4484000)
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007f23e0bf9000)
so a little gtk-3 mixed with gtk-2; but
ldd /usr/bin/firefox |grep gtk
/opt/trinity/lib/kgtk/libkgtk2.so (0x00007fad30615000)
libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 =>
/usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libgtk-x11-2.0.so.0 (0x00007fad2ed67000)
f.
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Felmon Davis
14 Dec
14 Dec
8:01 p.m.
New subject: more Stretch stress? gtk2/gtk3 clash [SOLVED]
On Thu, 13 Dec 2018, Felmon Davis wrote:
greets!
don't know if it's related to Stretch - I recently upgraded from Jessie (now
somewhat to my regret) - but I did an update of Firefox via the Mozilla
online update.
subsequently (and as an effect?) Firefox lost vertical scrollbars. I tried
various things with the themes (unsystematically) and now have a circumstance
where I get:
"GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same process is
not supported"
when I try to start Firefox, Pan and Google-Chrome-Stable. online googling
has so far yielded nothing useful.
things got worse, e.g. turned out FF and Chrome were unresponsive;
eventually I got worried I might have to re-install to recover sanity,
which itself would be crazy.
I removed some of gtk3 (removed gtk3-tqt-engine-trinity,
gtk2-engines-oxygen and I believe libgtk-3-bin), settled on Redmond,
uninstalled google-chrome-stable (which I subsequently reinstalled).
results of (some elements of) this are:
chrome, pan, FF fully functional
problem with menu items in OpenOffice disappearing is
solved.
there are exotic error messages when I start some things in a terminal
which I may try to track down during my next bout of procrastination.
fjd
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Felmon Davis
15 Dec
15 Dec
7:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] more Stretch stress? gtk2/gtk3 clash
Am Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2018 schrieb Felmon Davis:
greets!
don't know if it's related to Stretch - I recently upgraded from
Jessie (now somewhat to my regret) - but I did an update of Firefox
via the Mozilla online update.
subsequently (and as an effect?) Firefox lost vertical scrollbars. I
tried various things with the themes (unsystematically) and now have a
circumstance where I get:
"GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same
process is not supported"
when I try to start Firefox, Pan and Google-Chrome-Stable. online
googling has so far yielded nothing useful.
I assume I have some combination of Desktop 'effects' which clash. I'm
guessing. I can list various things but perhaps I'll wait for wiser
guidance.
I will say I have:
Redmond as GTK2 Style
Use my TDE Style in GTK3 apps
GTK@ Fonts uses Times New Roman
Decorations: Plastik
(btw I still have the issue of menu items playing hide-and-seek in
OpenOffice.)
fjd
As far as I can tell GTK3 and GNOME are broken by design. I remember I had these missing
vertial scrollbars some time back, I solved the issue with "lxappearance",
setting the theme to "Clearlooks" and removing of all gtk3 themes.
Nik
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9:49 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] more Stretch stress? gtk2/gtk3 clash
On Sat, 15 Dec 2018, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Am Donnerstag, 13. Dezember 2018 schrieb Felmon
Davis:
this seems a succinct description of what I ended up doing, viz
removing gtk3 stuff. now all is peaceful again.
don't have lxappearance - that belongs to the LXDE dialect? will leave
as is for now. enough "fun".
fjd
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Felmon Davis
greets!
don't know if it's related to Stretch - I recently upgraded from
Jessie (now somewhat to my regret) - but I did an update of Firefox
via the Mozilla online update.
subsequently (and as an effect?) Firefox lost vertical scrollbars. I
tried various things with the themes (unsystematically) and now have a
circumstance where I get:
"GTK+ 2.x symbols detected. Using GTK+ 2.x and GTK+ 3 in the same
process is not supported"
when I try to start Firefox, Pan and Google-Chrome-Stable. online
googling has so far yielded nothing useful.
I assume I have some combination of Desktop 'effects' which clash. I'm
guessing. I can list various things but perhaps I'll wait for wiser
guidance.
I will say I have:
Redmond as GTK2 Style
Use my TDE Style in GTK3 apps
GTK@ Fonts uses Times New Roman
Decorations: Plastik
(btw I still have the issue of menu items playing hide-and-seek in
OpenOffice.)
fjd
As far as I can tell GTK3 and GNOME are broken by design. I remember
I had these missing vertial scrollbars some time back, I solved the
issue with "lxappearance", setting the theme to "Clearlooks" and
removing of all gtk3 themes.
18 Dec
18 Dec
9:17 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] and one thing more
On Monday 10 December 2018 07:22:51 am Michael wrote:
On Monday 10 December 2018 03:57:35 am Felmon Davis
wrote:
Slip of the fingers, replace all OO above with LibreOffice very late 5x
through 6.0.6.2.
I still have the disappearing menu items in
OpenOffice though. let's
say I activate a minimized OO window; then the menu items are
visible. if I pass the mouse over them, they disappear as a group but
the individual item will appear directly under the mouse.
it's tolerable but it would be nice to fix. as far as I can tell,
other things, at least things I use the most, are civilized.
This is a somewhat known issue with OO. Pop-up windows in OO are also
about unreadable, which is solved by grabbing the pop-up edge with the
mouse and dragging it until it's readable. Trial and error till you find
what makes the pop-up windows fully readable.
It's also seemingly OS dependent, as I did different thing on CentOS to
'make it better' than I did on Ubuntu.
To fix most of it (Ubuntu), I started with the theme Plastik and made mods
to that. If someone knows where themes are stored I can do a diff between
my changes and the original Plastick. Or just upload it.
19 Dec
19 Dec
7:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] and one thing more
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Michael wrote:
On Monday 10 December 2018 07:22:51 am Michael wrote:
ok. I have LO installed on the Windows machine but not here on
Trinity/Debian.
I fixed the problems by removing some GTK3 files. not sure what caused
it but now OO has stable menus and none of the other programs such as
Pan, FF or Chrome are misbehaving.
fjd
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Felmon Davis
On Monday 10 December 2018 03:57:35 am Felmon
Davis wrote:
Slip of the fingers, replace all OO above with LibreOffice very late 5x
through 6.0.6.2. I still have the disappearing menu items in
OpenOffice though. let's
say I activate a minimized OO window; then the menu items are
visible. if I pass the mouse over them, they disappear as a group but
the individual item will appear directly under the mouse.
it's tolerable but it would be nice to fix. as far as I can tell,
other things, at least things I use the most, are civilized.
This is a somewhat known issue with OO. Pop-up windows in OO are also
about unreadable, which is solved by grabbing the pop-up edge with the
mouse and dragging it until it's readable. Trial and error till you find
what makes the pop-up windows fully readable.
It's also seemingly OS dependent, as I did different thing on CentOS to
'make it better' than I did on Ubuntu.
To fix most of it (Ubuntu), I started with the theme Plastik and made mods
to that. If someone knows where themes are stored I can do a diff between
my changes and the original Plastick. Or just upload it.
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