Hi is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
thanks
On 3/4/24 02:59, deloptes via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Hi is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
I have used KDE5 DigiKam atop TDE with no problems, though it sure does involve the installation of a whole lot of stuff.
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dep via tde-users wrote:
I have used KDE5 DigiKam atop TDE with no problems, though it sure does involve the installation of a whole lot of stuff.
Thank you. Installing the required packages is not the issue (in fact it is self explaining). I do not want risking to mess up the setup, although I do backup before, I want to avoid restoring from backup or cleaning up/wasting time, if there are issues.
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
A shame ! :-) KDE5 is very heavy, TDE is light and much better.
Unfortunately we have no option to use google drive in TDE with sign-on. And I'm tired copying files manually. I tried this in Windows and Ubuntu and it works fine. The Drive appears as a mount point on the linux desktop and it makes live very easy.
On 04/03/2024 12:41, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
ajh-valmer via tde-users wrote:
A shame ! :-) KDE5 is very heavy, TDE is light and much better.
Unfortunately we have no option to use google drive in TDE with sign-on
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse to name two. Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse to name two. Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since last summer :D
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse to name two. Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since last summer :D
Just curious: What Linux distribution are you using?
Gianluca
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Just curious: What Linux distribution are you using?
Always Debian stable (now bookworm). I want to sit down and just work, not debug instead of being productive. This is why I stay on stable with TDE.
As mentioned KDE5 is still with the same attitude - fancy but broken aka useless fancy crap. I also can not stand the new gnome in ubuntu, although regarding productivity I think it is much better than KDE.
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Just curious: What Linux distribution are you using?
Always Debian stable (now bookworm). I want to sit down and just work, not debug instead of being productive. This is why I stay on stable with TDE.
I ask because when I install openSUSE it asks me which DE I want. I choose Plasma/KDE5 just to have the packages although I never use the desktop itself. I also install LXDE, which I use to have a GUI while I install TDE. Does Debian stable also give you the option to install Plasma/KDE5 as your default during the OS installation alongside something like LXDE?
I'm curious because the future of openSUSE (non-tumbleweed) is a bit uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE 16.x may be provided as.
Gianluca
As mentioned KDE5 is still with the same attitude - fancy but broken aka useless fancy crap. I also can not stand the new gnome in ubuntu, although regarding productivity I think it is much better than KDE.
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
I ask because when I install openSUSE it asks me which DE I want. I choose Plasma/KDE5 just to have the packages although I never use the desktop itself. I also install LXDE, which I use to have a GUI while I install TDE. Does Debian stable also give you the option to install Plasma/KDE5 as your default during the OS installation alongside something like LXDE?
Debian is IMO the best - flexible and stable (if you use stable). I usually install using debootstrap. If I were to install from USB stick, I would install only the base system and then on top of it, I would install TDE from the command line.
I'm curious because the future of openSUSE (non-tumbleweed) is a bit uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE 16.x may be provided as.
I used openSUSE only once may be in 2001. Later I saw openSUSE on commercial products. Moveing to Debian will require some relearning but IMO it pays off.
BR
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
I'm curious because the future of openSUSE (non-tumbleweed) is a bit uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE 16.x may be provided as.
I used openSUSE only once may be in 2001. Later I saw openSUSE on commercial products. Moveing to Debian will require some relearning but IMO it pays off.
Maybe I can find a tutorial for openSUSE users migrating to Debian. Something that lists:
rpm -> dpkg zypper -> apt-get etc.
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Gianluca
BR
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Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users wrote:
Maybe I can find a tutorial for openSUSE users migrating to Debian. Something that lists:
rpm -> dpkg zypper -> apt-get etc.
Or start fresh reading the Debian docs
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Gianluca
May be it would be easier for you if you would try Ubuntu on USB stick, until you get used to all of the command line stuff.
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-04 16:07 (UTC-0800):
deloptes wrote:
I'm curious because the future of openSUSE (non-tumbleweed) is a bit uncertain. I'm not sure I want the immutable/ALP version that openSUSE 16.x may be provided as.
I used openSUSE only once may be in 2001. Later I saw openSUSE on commercial products. Moveing to Debian will require some relearning but IMO it pays off.
Maybe I can find a tutorial for openSUSE users migrating to Debian. Something that lists:
rpm -> dpkg zypper -> apt-get etc.
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Freshly released KDE 3.0 and YaST (*Y*et *A*nother *S*etup *T*ool) were what hooked me on SUSE 8.x originally. YaST is both setup tool, and installer, whose UI is logically identical whether using text mode or GUI mode.
With decades of experience behind me I don't use YaST much as setup tool much any more, but I find it far and away the best Gnu/Linux distro installer bar none, with equivalent appreciation applicable to zypper as cmdline package manager.
Were openSUSE 16 to turn out to be unacceptable regression, I would have little problem switching to Mageia, assuming it still exists. If not, most likely any switch of primary OS would be to Debian Stable, assuming TDE still exists for it. ;)
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
Freshly released KDE 3.0 and YaST (*Y*et *A*nother *S*etup *T*ool) were what hooked me on SUSE 8.x originally. YaST is both setup tool, and installer, whose UI is logically identical whether using text mode or GUI mode.
With decades of experience behind me I don't use YaST much as setup tool much any more, but I find it far and away the best Gnu/Linux distro installer bar none, with equivalent appreciation applicable to zypper as cmdline package manager.
Were openSUSE 16 to turn out to be unacceptable regression, I would have little problem switching to Mageia, assuming it still exists. If not, most likely any switch of primary OS would be to Debian Stable, assuming TDE still exists for it. ;)
I have been considereing Mageia, too. Although I read that it has a smaller user base than openSUSE or others. I wonder also whether one should give Tumbleweed a try if Leap 16.x is not really viable.
Gianluca
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I have been a Tumbleweed user for a long time, it is by far the most "stable" rolling distro I have ever used. The main benefit that comes to mind is that even *if* an update went wrong, Zypper already used Snapper to make a BTRFS snapshot to roll back to. A broken update is a simple 1 minute rollback.
Having all my favorite software up to date on my nice stable TDE desktop.... i couldnt ask for a better experience.
All I do is install TW with the "Basic Desktop" pattern, and then use XTerm to install TDE with the urls pulled up in Firefox. I always like to have IceWM as a backup anyways. This makes for a nice minimum install. Oh and before I forget you need to install Pipewire still unless youre an ALSA purist lol
I have also looked at Slowroll (1 major update aprox every 3 months), but Tumbleweed hasnt really let me down. I always come back.
I do have debian systems for specific purposes, but TW is where all my actual work happens on a Dell Latitude.
Thanks Jacob,
What I wonder about Tumbleweed is the following. What happens if you do not update the system for a while. Let's say you had the system sit for 2 years but for whatever reason you never did updates. But now you need to install a new package that you did not install when you performed the installation. Are you required now to bring the system up to date before you install the new package?
Thanks,
Gianluca
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
I have been a Tumbleweed user for a long time, it is by far the most "stable" rolling distro I have ever used. The main benefit that comes to mind is that even *if* an update went wrong, Zypper already used Snapper to make a BTRFS snapshot to roll back to. A broken update is a simple 1 minute rollback.
Having all my favorite software up to date on my nice stable TDE desktop.... i couldnt ask for a better experience.
All I do is install TW with the "Basic Desktop" pattern, and then use XTerm to install TDE with the urls pulled up in Firefox. I always like to have IceWM as a backup anyways. This makes for a nice minimum install. Oh and before I forget you need to install Pipewire still unless youre an ALSA purist lol
I have also looked at Slowroll (1 major update aprox every 3 months), but Tumbleweed hasnt really let me down. I always come back.
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Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-05 10:49 (UTC-0800):
What I wonder about Tumbleweed is the following. What happens if you do not update the system for a while. Let's say you had the system sit for 2 years but for whatever reason you never did updates. But now you need to install a new package that you did not install when you performed the installation. Are you required now to bring the system up to date before you install the new package?
Only to the extent that the new package depends on other packages that have since been updated, and any others those depend upon. That said, not keeping up-to-date means zero security fixes.
I have roughly 40 TW installations. I try to keep them from going more than 6 months without full upgrading. Most I do at ad hoc intervals between 2 weeks and 2 months.
I wonder what an openSUSE based on ALP/immutable will be. Are they going to get rid of RPM? If the file system is "immutable", how can you install software from other sources, such as TDE?
Gianluca
On Tue, 5 Mar 2024, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-05 10:49 (UTC-0800):
What I wonder about Tumbleweed is the following. What happens if you do not update the system for a while. Let's say you had the system sit for 2 years but for whatever reason you never did updates. But now you need to install a new package that you did not install when you performed the installation. Are you required now to bring the system up to date before you install the new package?
Only to the extent that the new package depends on other packages that have since been updated, and any others those depend upon. That said, not keeping up-to-date means zero security fixes.
I have roughly 40 TW installations. I try to keep them from going more than 6 months without full upgrading. Most I do at ad hoc intervals between 2 weeks and 2 months. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science.
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Well you can still install packages transactionally, I use immutable distros often. Say you had a package that wasn't available as a snap, flatpak, appimage, etc*. You would start a transaction, install the software, reboot, and if the system boots, transaction complete, if not... it keeps the old snapshot and things are the same as before. Otherwise the system is always in a read only state (user data excluded). RPMs wont be gone completely, but containers is where things are going.
Id imagine getting TDE running on a immutable distro wouldnt be too hard, as long as everything that gets changed is in user dirs
Gianluca Interlandi composed on 2024-03-05 11:33 (UTC-0800):
I wonder what an openSUSE based on ALP/immutable will be. Are they going to get rid of RPM?
IMO, rpm is far too foundational to be replaced. If SUSE were to do that, it might as well become yet another fork/spin of Debian, but with BTRFS and snapshotting by default.
From my POV, ALP will remain considered vaporware at least through the end of this coming summer. Leap will continue for at least 2 more Thanksgivings.
Well if you went 2 years without updates... youd be without security updates for 2 years. Anyways... if you meet the minimum version of dependencies for the software your installing youd be fine, otherwise it will upgrade what it needs.
On the flip side I have gone a year or more between upgrades lol
On 2024/03/05 08:31 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Debian is IMO the best - flexible and stable (if you use stable).
Debian testing is also very stable, although it only makes sense if you want progressive updates. In that case using TDE PSB or PTB would also make sense. It's very stable, even it is called "testing".
rpm -> dpkg zypper -> apt-get etc.
I would also have to get used to not having Yast.
"aptitude" is probably the best CLI tool you can use in debian for keeping your system up to date. It saves you from the quicks of apt-get/dpkg, although knowing the latter tools is good too.
Cheers Michele
On 04/03/2024 16:13, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse to name two. Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since last summer :D
:-)
drive is here; https://github.com/odeke-em/drive?ref=itsfoss.com
and a fuse implementation can be found here; https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse?ref=itsfoss.com
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 18:25:58 +0000 Michael Howard via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On 04/03/2024 16:13, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Not strictly speaking true. You can use Drive or Fuse to name two. Personally speaking, anything is better than the mammoth KDE dependencies.
Can you elaborate more on those alternatives, because I installed a bunch of dependencies, only to find out that this crap in KDE5 is not working since last summer :D
:-)
drive is here; https://github.com/odeke-em/drive?ref=itsfoss.com
and a fuse implementation can be found here; https://github.com/astrada/google-drive-ocamlfuse?ref=itsfoss.com
There's also a command-line utility "gdrive" of unknown quality: https://github.com/glotlabs/gdrive (written in Rust, it appears).
E. Liddell
On Monday 04 March 2024 13:41:52 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Unfortunately we have no option to use google drive in TDE with sign-on. And I'm tired copying files manually. I tried this in Windows and Ubuntu and it works fine. The Drive appears as a mount point on the linux desktop and it makes live very easy :
Windows I don't mind but works fine only with Ubuntu ? and not with others Linux distributions ?
deloptes via tde-users wrote on 3/4/24 00:59:
Hi is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
I have had no problems that I can recall running KDE5 programs even though TDE is my desktop.
I haven't used gdrive, though. But I wouldn't expect there to be any problem with doing so. I'm pretty sure that I've /never/ seen any conflict when using KDE5 programs under TDE. (I routinely use kate5 and digikam5, and less routinely a few other KDE5 programs.)
Doc
On Mon, 4 Mar 2024, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Hi is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I want to use gdrive with the sign-on (KIO
thanks
I have been using KDE4/5 applications in TDE for a while, mostly okular, k3b and gwenview. I haven't tried out any others.
Gianluca
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deloptes composed on 2024-03-04 08:59 (UTC+0100):
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
I have several openSUSE installations with both. All have TDM to the exclusion of SDDM installed. If you wish to use the Konsole each provides, you may want to do some menu tweaking to make it clear which you're selecting. I mostly use TDE's Konsole. If you like and keep TDE as your only environment, then simply installing some KDE apps won't require nearly as much space or overhead as running full defaults Plasma sessions.
On 3/4/24 1:59 AM, deloptes via tde-users wrote:
is someone using KDE5 apps on top of TDE and what is your experience.
One of the speed bumps I encountered using KDE tools in TDE is theme configurations are ignored. This results in flat icons and tiny fonts in the menu bars in the KDE tools.
The primary culprit is the $XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP environment variable. KDE tools expect this to be set to KDE and not TDE.
One work-around I use is script wrappers to the KDE tools I prefer. In the script wrappers I set XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP=TDE:KDE. The KDE tools then are content and no theming issues arise with flat icons or tiny fonts.
I hope this helps.
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