3 Oct
2018
3 Oct
'18
1:34 p.m.
Hi Guys,
Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail ?
There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or waste
bin folders.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
3 Oct
3 Oct
1:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam and that
works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
Hi Guys,
Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail ?
There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or waste
bin folders.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
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1:46 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
Hi John,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they
aren't spam and
that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam
again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail
> ?
>
> There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
> But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
>
> Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> waste bin folders.
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
>
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the 16/09/18,
until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and checked my acc
and there were no posts from the lists at all, not even in the spam
folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm getting my own mail
and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
2:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron wrote:
Hi John,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity mailing list
that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used to have Gmail, but
then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and things got better ... for a
while. Then I started getting the same messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my local
machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless they get quoted
by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I actually log in to my webmail
accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro always get marked as spam; also,
anything from the mysterious Liddell. Also I think one or two others
sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find the rest
in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate; but it would be
nice to know the causes of these issues.
Bill
I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it
they aren't spam and
that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam
again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail
> ?
>
> There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
> But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
>
> Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> waste bin folders.
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the 16/09/18,
until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and checked my acc
and there were no posts from the lists at all, not even in the spam
folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm getting my own mail
and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working.
4:51 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
Hi William,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 15:48:21 William Morder wrote:
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be
reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity
mailing list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used
to have Gmail, but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and
things got better ... for a while. Then I started getting the same
messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my
local machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless
they get quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I
actually log in to my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele
Calgaro always get marked as spam; also, anything from the
mysterious Liddell. Also I think one or two others sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can
find the rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to
investigate; but it would be nice to know the causes of these
issues.
Bill
What I find curious is as soon as I started posting to the list, I
start seeing new posts, but there is absolutely nothing to see if I
go look at my Goggle acc.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
> > I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam
> > and that works for a few messages and then drops them back to
> > spam again.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list
> mail ?
>
> There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail
> account. But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on
> line.
>
> Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> waste bin folders.
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the
16/09/18, until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and
checked my acc and there were no posts from the lists at all, not
even in the spam folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm
getting my own mail and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working. 
4 Oct
4 Oct
4:47 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
You might also consider webmail as the problem. Among other things, webmail
will not let you access it outside the US thru kmail and it often prevents
sending mail outside the US! I also have the webmail kmail combo in my
desktop and about once a month a perfectly good message will not appear in my
desktop kmail, but it will show up in gmail!!!! so i really don't like gmail,
thus i have started experimenting with thunderbird, i *would* like to have
*one* working email setup.
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:51:14 Baron wrote:
Hi William,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 15:48:21 William Morder wrote:
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be
reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity
mailing list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used
to have Gmail, but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and
things got better ... for a while. Then I started getting the same
messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my
local machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless
they get quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I
actually log in to my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele
Calgaro always get marked as spam; also, anything from the
mysterious Liddell. Also I think one or two others sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can
find the rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to
investigate; but it would be nice to know the causes of these
issues.
Bill
What I find curious is as soon as I started posting to the list, I
start seeing new posts, but there is absolutely nothing to see if I
go look at my Goggle acc.
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron
wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
> > I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam
> > and that works for a few messages and then drops them back to
> > spam again.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net>
wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list
> mail ?
>
> There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail
> account. But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on
> line.
>
> Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> waste bin folders.
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the
16/09/18, until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and
checked my acc and there were no posts from the lists at all, not
even in the spam folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm
getting my own mail and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working. 
5 Oct
5 Oct
4:35 a.m.
New subject: [users] Not Getting list mail
On 2018-10-03 09:48:21 William Morder wrote:
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron wrote:
Because I use kMail, I always turn off the spam filtering in my mail
provider's configuration and write my own local filters.
Leslie
Hi John,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be
reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity mailing
list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used to have Gmail,
but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and things got better ...
for a while. Then I started getting the same messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my local
machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless they get
quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I actually log in to
my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro always get marked as
spam; also, anything from the mysterious Liddell. Also I think one or two
others sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find the
rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate; but it
would be nice to know the causes of these issues.
Bill I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it
they aren't spam and
that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam
again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail
> ?
>
> There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
> But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
>
> Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> waste bin folders.
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the 16/09/18,
until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and checked my acc
and there were no posts from the lists at all, not even in the spam
folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm getting my own mail
and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working.
6:12 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Not Getting list mail
On Thursday 04 October 2018 21:35:58 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-10-03 09:48:21 William Morder wrote:
Same here, except that it doesn't work. I turn off all spam filtering in my
webmail accounts; and since I set Kmail to receive text-only (with the option
to click and view html), it doesn't much matter if I get spam, because I can
just delete it. (And when I enough spam to be bothered, I have the option of
using kshowmail, which allows me to preview emails and delete them from the
server without ever downloading them. It works nicely in tandem with Kmail,
but since dropping my old Earthlink account, I haven't needed to use it.)
The thing is, I switched from Earthlink about 18 months ago, I changed first
to Gmail, and now use Zoho as my primary account; but now I don't really get
any spam to be filtered (except of course from Felix's Earthlink account!).
There is no reason for either Gmail or Zoho to block anything, because I get
virtually no spam, so I don't understand why, despite all my best efforts,
certain emails keep getting blocked by default. I can only guess that their
email addresses have turned up on some "master spam list" out there that is
used by various providers. I trust that they have been blocked by mistake,
and are not really spammers, but it's annoying.
Anyway, one keeps moving forward. I check my webmail occasionally, and check
the online record of the mailing list on Trinity's pages, and (unless I have
some sudden flash of insight) will leave such issues for others to sort out.
Bill
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron
wrote:
Because I use kMail, I always turn off the spam filtering in my mail
provider's configuration and write my own local filters.
Leslie
Hi John,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be
reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity mailing
list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used to have
Gmail, but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and things got
better ... for a while. Then I started getting the same messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my local
machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless they get
quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I actually log in to
my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro always get marked as
spam; also, anything from the mysterious Liddell. Also I think one or two
others sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find the
rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate; but it
would be nice to know the causes of these issues.
Bill I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it
they aren't spam and
that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam
again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> Hi Guys,
>
> Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail
> ?
>
> There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
> But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
>
> Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> waste bin folders.
>
> --
> Best Regards:
> Baron
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the 16/09/18,
until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and checked my acc
and there were no posts from the lists at all, not even in the spam
folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm getting my own mail
and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working.
8:45 p.m.
New subject: [users] Re: [users] Not Getting list mail
On 2018-10-05 01:12:29 William Morder wrote:
On Thursday 04 October 2018 21:35:58 J Leslie Turriff
wrote:
Hmm... well, if you actually have SpamAssassin and/or BogoFilter running,
it's possible that the databases they've built up are causing false
positives? Perhaps there's a way to flush their content and start them
fresh?
Leslie
On 2018-10-03 09:48:21 William Morder wrote:
Same here, except that it doesn't work. I turn off all spam filtering in my
webmail accounts; and since I set Kmail to receive text-only (with the
option to click and view html), it doesn't much matter if I get spam,
because I can just delete it. (And when I enough spam to be bothered, I
have the option of using kshowmail, which allows me to preview emails and
delete them from the server without ever downloading them. It works nicely
in tandem with Kmail, but since dropping my old Earthlink account, I
haven't needed to use it.)
The thing is, I switched from Earthlink about 18 months ago, I changed
first to Gmail, and now use Zoho as my primary account; but now I don't
really get any spam to be filtered (except of course from Felix's Earthlink
account!). There is no reason for either Gmail or Zoho to block anything,
because I get virtually no spam, so I don't understand why, despite all my
best efforts, certain emails keep getting blocked by default. I can only
guess that their email addresses have turned up on some "master spam list"
out there that is used by various providers. I trust that they have been
blocked by mistake, and are not really spammers, but it's annoying.
Anyway, one keeps moving forward. I check my webmail occasionally, and
check the online record of the mailing list on Trinity's pages, and (unless
I have some sudden flash of insight) will leave such issues for others to
sort out.
Bill On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron
wrote:
Because I use kMail, I always turn off the spam filtering in my mail
provider's configuration and write my own local filters.
Leslie Hi John,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
> I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam and
> that works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam
> again.
>
> On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> > Hi Guys,
> >
> > Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail
> > ?
> >
> > There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
> > But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
> >
> > Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> > waste bin folders.
> >
> > --
> > Best Regards:
> > Baron
This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the
16/09/18, until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and
checked my acc and there were no posts from the lists at all, not
even in the spam folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm
getting my own mail and reply's back.
Weird !
Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working.
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be
reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity
mailing list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used to
have Gmail, but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and things
got better ... for a while. Then I started getting the same messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my
local machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless they
get quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I actually log
in to my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro always get
marked as spam; also, anything from the mysterious Liddell. Also I
think one or two others sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find
the rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate;
but it would be nice to know the causes of these issues.
Bill
9:08 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: [users] Re: [users] Not Getting list mail
On Friday 05 October 2018 13:45:17 J Leslie Turriff wrote:
On 2018-10-05 01:12:29 William Morder wrote:
I don't use them. I only use kshowmail and kmail. Spam gets marked by Google
or Zoho, despite all my efforts to turn off all filters.
Bill
On Thursday 04 October 2018 21:35:58 J Leslie
Turriff wrote:
Hmm... well, if you actually have SpamAssassin and/or BogoFilter running,
it's possible that the databases they've built up are causing false
positives? Perhaps there's a way to flush their content and start them
fresh?
Leslie
On 2018-10-03 09:48:21 William Morder wrote:
Same here, except that it doesn't work. I turn off all spam filtering in
my webmail accounts; and since I set Kmail to receive text-only (with the
option to click and view html), it doesn't much matter if I get spam,
because I can just delete it. (And when I enough spam to be bothered, I
have the option of using kshowmail, which allows me to preview emails and
delete them from the server without ever downloading them. It works
nicely in tandem with Kmail, but since dropping my old Earthlink account,
I haven't needed to use it.)
The thing is, I switched from Earthlink about 18 months ago, I changed
first to Gmail, and now use Zoho as my primary account; but now I don't
really get any spam to be filtered (except of course from Felix's
Earthlink account!). There is no reason for either Gmail or Zoho to block
anything, because I get virtually no spam, so I don't understand why,
despite all my best efforts, certain emails keep getting blocked by
default. I can only guess that their email addresses have turned up on
some "master spam list" out there that is used by various providers. I
trust that they have been blocked by mistake, and are not really
spammers, but it's annoying.
Anyway, one keeps moving forward. I check my webmail occasionally, and
check the online record of the mailing list on Trinity's pages, and
(unless I have some sudden flash of insight) will leave such issues for
others to sort out.
Bill On Wednesday 03 October 2018 06:46:05 Baron
wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:38:14 Pisini, John wrote:
> > I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they aren't spam
> > and that works for a few messages and then drops them back to
> > spam again.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
> > > Hi Guys,
> > >
> > > Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list
> > > mail ?
> > >
> > > There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
> > > But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
> > >
> > > Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or
> > > waste bin folders.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Best Regards:
> > > Baron
>
> This is crazy ! I've not had a post from the list since the
> 16/09/18, until I posted that I wasn't getting any. I went and
> checked my acc and there were no posts from the lists at all, not
> even in the spam folder. Then I make a post and hey presto, I'm
> getting my own mail and reply's back.
>
> Weird !
>
> Thanks John. At least it now seems to be working.
Google's algorithms know better than you what email you ought to be
reading.
For what it's worth, I've been getting warnings from the Trinity
mailing list that messages sent to my accounts are bouncing. I used
to have Gmail, but then I got wise and switched to Zoho mail, and
things got better ... for a while. Then I started getting the same
messages.
I still get *most* of my messages. However, since I use Kmail on my
local machine, I sometimes don't know about missed messages unless
they get quoted by somebody else, or once in a blue moon when I
actually log in to my webmail accounts. Messages from Michele Calgaro
always get marked as spam; also, anything from the mysterious
Liddell. Also I think one or two others sometimes.
Since I seem to get most messages at least in quotation, and can find
the rest in my webmail accounts, I don't care enough to investigate;
but it would be nice to know the causes of these issues.
Bill
Because I use kMail, I always turn off the spam filtering in my mail
provider's configuration and write my own local filters.
Leslie 
4 Oct
4 Oct
11:21 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
Mine does that as well.
On 10/3/18, Pisini, John <pisinij(a)csps.com> wrote:
I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they
aren't spam and that
works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
--
Bro. Michael Henry
Associate Pastor
Monticello Christian Church
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the
heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the
awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
Hi Guys,
Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail ?
There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or waste
bin folders.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
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11:24 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
- Hide quoted text -
On 10/3/18, Pisini, John <pisinij(a)csps.com> wrote:
I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it they
aren't spam and that
works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam again.
Mine does that as well.
Sorry about the previous email and the top posting, but yes several
messages a day go into the spam box on the webmail. It's been
happening for years, I have just learned to deal with it.
On 10/4/18, Michael Henry <bromichaelhenry(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Mine does that as well.
On 10/3/18, Pisini, John <pisinij(a)csps.com> wrote:
--
Bro. Michael Henry
Associate Pastor
Monticello Christian Church
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the
heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the
awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
I'm on gmail as well. I have tried telling it
they aren't spam and that
works for a few messages and then drops them back to spam again.
On Wed, Oct 3, 2018, 9:35 AM Baron <baron(a)linuxmaniac.net> wrote:
--
Bro. Michael Henry
Associate Pastor
Monticello Christian Church
Even in our sleep, pain which cannot forget, falls drop by drop upon the
heart until, in our own despair, against our will, comes wisdom through the
awful grace of God. - Aeschylus
Hi Guys,
Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail ?
There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or waste
bin folders.
--
Best Regards:
Baron
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3 Oct
3 Oct
1:38 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Not Getting list mail
Hi Guys,
On Wednesday 03 October 2018 14:34:37 Baron wrote:
Hi Guys,
Is there something going on with Google (Gmail) and the list mail ?
There isn't any list mail shown when I go into my mail account.
But I can see my post and John Pisini's reply on line.
Thanks John, but I've not had anything to go into the spam or waste
bin folders.
I don't understand what on earth is going on !
I've just posted this to the list and its straight back in my in box,
via my Gmail acc.
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Best Regards:
Baron
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