On Sunday 19 November 2023 16.06:31 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote:

Why using Mega? We could add it to the TDE live CD section instead. Slavek, what do you think about it?

Hi Michele,

I mostly wanted to have some testing before going farther.

But of course if the project has space available and wishes to propose this "first try", no problem.

However until now only I installed from my ISO on my system - can't be sure that it works for others.

Thierry

Cheers Michele

I had to modify some file, so the correct liks are

Iso file: https://mega.nz/file/Ef820ILb#omQ8lMtFT7x_N-lxyrWRlRAAq3lW7PvnpYK5fHzLggU

md5 file: https://mega.nz/file/8H1RVZQD#C-nuSXfnBwrM29d5ItR7WlSbY2ZyVY2-DUUeW6UPvSY

ReadMe file https://mega.nz/file/NfUTjQ5B#iSzIBWYSZ-Xfqn25RFOf2_CYKRbTUn40tJMb_g9VWAc

On Monday 20 November 2023 07:56:21 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:

I know its not really the same thing, but I have a bash script that will:

1. Set the Debian Bookworm repos to non-free for graphics drivers and

codecs 2. Add the Debian Trinity repos 3. Download and install the keyring, 4. Install Trinity, network-manager, qt5ct, Firefox, VLC, Libreoffice (with EN_CA and EN_US), and optionally NVidia drivers with a Optimus switching script.

If anyone needs it let me know, its useful to be able to downloads and run the script and have a useful install in a jiffy

Myself, I wouldn't mind taking a look at your bash script, and maybe there are others who could benefit.

For me personally, though, I would change about two-thirds of your list to my own preferences: e.g., Devuan Daedalus (don't use non-free or contrib, as I don't need them), Icecat instead of Firefox, OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice, and so on.

But the idea of a script to do all that work might be a great help, and I think it's a good idea to share it, to pool our knowledge and skills for the benefit of all.

Bill

On Monday 20 November 2023 11:49:34 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:

I know its a bit off topic but why OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice? Open Office seems to have commits done just for the fun of it with no new features. There has been some tension in the two communities because OpenOffice holds the name/brand power knowing full well all active development is done on the LibreOffice fork, yet refuses to even acknowledge that.

Yeah, I know that OpenOffice *seems* to be stuck and going nowhere fast. But for me, it's practical.

When I have LibreOffice open, first of all, I cannot see well enough any more to make out the text in the GUI. I have taken other people's suggestions, and made a dark theme, then forced it to fit, but I still am unable to make it out, and must get my nose right up to the screen to make out anything.

Second, I tend to be one of those people with a lot of documents open, sometimes really big documents. I can't help it; it's just how I have to work a lot of the time. With LibreOffice, if I go away from that screen to do something (whether related or not), then come back to the LibreOffice screen, I sometimes must wait five minutes or more for the LibreOffice interface to appear. It takes literally five minutes, or more, before I can do anything. By that time, I often forget what it is I was going to do (revision, adding new text, whatever).

Much of my work involves moving between plain text documents, an office program, KPDF (because I make pdfs on-the-fly for proofreading, in lieu of having a printer ready to print out drafts. (I am trying not only to write a book, but to create a print-ready pdf; if not for actual publication and/or distribution, then at least to use as a mock-up, to show a printer -- or publisher, editor, whoever -- how I want it to look; only, of course, with their help, I hope, even better.)

Also I am making song charts for myself and fellow musicians with whom I play. This is very tedious work to make out arrangements. But the process is mostly the same, except at the end I take a snapshot from the pdf to create a jpg (something smaller that can be viewed on, say, a smartphone screen).

Again, LibreOffice is ungodly slow when I have more than a few documents open. It doesn't do what I want or need much of the time, and it annoys me that Debian and Devuan install it (and keep installing it) by default, and it's hard to get rid off all the bits of cruft left over when I uninstall and purge it from my system. (There's one way that AntiX, and maybe MX, is better, because the versions I try don't install LibreOffice by default.)

When I install OpenOffice, *poof!* all these problems are gone. OpenOffice is fast, and it uses my system fonts, colors, etc., so I can see it. It does what I want.

I hope that this rant is enough to answer your question.

;-)

Bill

P.S. But I am still interested in looking at your bash script, to see if I could use it as a template for myself, then modify the script to suit my own needs. I hope that the above rant does not put you off from generosity towards your fellow TDE users.

On Wednesday 22 November 2023 09:52:26 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:

Hey, thanks for your insight. Im sorry if I came across as confrontational. I honestly don't use an Office Suite much, so to hear your perspective helps.

Some bad news though, I have lost my automated Debian script, which is a shame, it even had TUI menus and everything. But now I have a pretty solid Arch install with TDE, LibreOffice, Steam, Discord, Firefox, Nvidia drivers (I hate these darn things so much btw.... this is for my first and last NVidia laptop lol). Im just working on finding a way to DPI scale the screen nicely. However, once this install is set up exactly how I like it, I will remake the script, but better!

No, I didn't take your words as confrontational; I hope you didn't take me that way, either. We all have our preferences, and use whatever tools work best for us.

I do wish that LibreOffice and OpenOffice could somehow patch up their differences and agree to collaborate. I don't know the whole story there, but it is apparent that the two communities are at odds. And I can see, from the perspective of a developer, or somebody close enough to the devs, how the LibreOffice community might feel slighted. If they are doing the actual work, while OpenOffice benefits from that work without acknowledging it, then things do look out of balance.

When I joined the OpenOffice mailing list, I thought that I might learn what's really going on, so that it might help me it getting it to run properly on my system. But frankly, their mailing list reads like it is written by ghosts, zombies or bots. Honestly, it seems like nothing is happening there. I read their posts, but they make no sense.

By comparison, the TDE mailing list is reads like transcripts of a group of gossipy old women, down by the stream with their tubs and washboards and scrub brushes.

Be that as it may, and despite what is fair or right: OpenOffice actually still *works* for me; LibreOffice doesn't.

Bill

jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:

-Back in 2010 Oracle bought Sun and its assets including OOffice -During the acquisition Oracle pulled back a lot of the internal devs, without any explanation or roadmap for OOffice. This caused the majority of outside devs to leave and fork, as the future of the project was up in the air. -Not too long after, all active development of OOffice stopped on Oracles side (I think at this time the other office suite they worked on was "killed" too). This was because a majority of work was not being done on the LibreOffice fork

But at the end it landed in the Apache Foundation. I haven't look at what their plans are, but it is good that they offer newer versions (perhaps they only patch and compile aka legacy). At the end it is good that they take care of it.

Anno domini 2023 Wed, 22 Nov 10:25:23 -0800 William Morder via tde-users scripsit:

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By comparison, the TDE mailing list is reads like transcripts of a group of gossipy old women, down by the stream with their tubs and washboards and scrub brushes.

Ho ho ho! May I remind you that the season of the white bearded men is just beginning?

Nik

Be that as it may, and despite what is fair or right: OpenOffice actually still *works* for me; LibreOffice doesn't.

Bill

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I use LibreOffice and largely hate it, precisely *because* it is forever adding mud flaps and fuzzy dice and other mostly useless "features." The processing of words hasn't actually much changed since about 2000, when embedding links became useful.

I'd drop LibreOffice for whatever KWord has become in an instant if the fewer, angrier bozos over there adopted good import-export filters. KWord became infamous decades ago for importing files from formats to which it could not save. It got deleted microseconds discovered this "feature."

Oh, for a LibreOffice that could itself be edited, allowing easy deletion of the useless complications that comprise about 90 percent of it . . .

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On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:49 PM, jacobheinrich--- via tde-users <[users@trinitydesktop.org](mailto:On Mon, Nov 20, 2023 at 2:49 PM, jacobheinrich--- via tde-users <<a href=)> wrote:

I know its a bit off topic but why OpenOffice instead of LibreOffice? Open Office seems to have commits done just for the fun of it with no new features. There has been some tension in the two communities because OpenOffice holds the name/brand power knowing full well all active development is done on the LibreOffice fork, yet refuses to even acknowledge that. ____________________________________________________ tde-users mailing list -- users@trinitydesktop.org To unsubscribe send an email to users-leave@trinitydesktop.org Web mail archive available at https://mail.trinitydesktop.org/mailman3/hyperkitty/list/users@trinitydesktop.org

On 2023-11-22 14:46:42 you wrote:

dep via tde-users wrote:

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Sorry for top posting -- on the iPad, and the ProtonMail app doesn't allow grownup formatting.

KNode - the protonmail makes no sense, since this UL is public.

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I use LibreOffice and largely hate it, precisely *because* it is forever adding mud flaps and fuzzy dice and other mostly useless "features." The processing of words hasn't actually much changed since about 2000, when embedding links became useful.

I join this statement. I prefer using Apache's OpenOffice. It is supported and most of all stable. I guess the TDE philosophy applies there too.

But I know people, who prefer the LibreOffice version. As far as Debian stable is used the chances to crash or loose data are minimal.

Neither LibreOffice nor OpenOffice properly supports importation of HTML documents' CSS styling, either imbedded or external. The last mention of providing this feature is years old. It's very frustrating; and meanwhile, as you say, we are provided with useless "features" that provide just about nothing. :-(

Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4 - x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.1.0 tde-config: 1.0

J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:

Neither LibreOffice nor OpenOffice properly supports importation of HTML documents' CSS styling, either imbedded or external.  The last mention of providing this feature is years old.  It's very frustrating; and meanwhile, as you say, we are provided with useless "features" that provide just about nothing. :-(

HTML5 is not an office document format. Why would a office writer application support this. In fact there are just few engines that support this (ex. gecko) and perhaps not fully.

I am afraid your expectations overreach the reality.

J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:

I'm afraid you didn't read my post properly.  I said 'importation of HTML...'.

I think I understood correctly. I just wonder, why one would want to do that? Also as mentioned the problem is in the modern HTML and the lack of engine able to parse it (except the few well known).

I bet if you save a page in HTML2 all will work just fine. About HTML4 I don't know. HTML5 you can forget. I don't know what LibreOffice uses. I know QT5 and QT6 or the KDE5 stack on top did something meaningful, but don't know any details, what engine they used.