Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore. Most of the team has migrated over to Wayland which is catching up quick. Im curious to see how a project such as this could tackle such an issue.
jacobheinrich composed on 2023-10-24 18:59 (UTC):
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
A mature system needs little "development". OTOH, there are things X provides that Wayland design prohibits ever providing. I hope TDE resources never need to be wasted conforming to Wayland requirements.
OTOH, there are things X provides that Wayland design prohibits ever providing.
Is it my understanding that Wayland does not allow remote rendering? Does this mean that `ssh -X` would no longer be able to open a remote window, not even a `xterm` session? I thought this was the core funcionality of any UNIX-like system. Wasn't this one of the reasons why UNIX was created in the frist place? Have a terminal that connects to a central server? There is something like XWayland that should resolve this, maybe? Are major distributions like openSUSE going to switch to Wayland or XWayland?
Gianluca
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
jacobheinrich composed on 2023-10-24 18:59 (UTC):
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
A mature system needs little "development". OTOH, there are things X provides that Wayland design prohibits ever providing. I hope TDE resources never need to be wasted conforming to Wayland requirements. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science.
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It is my understanding that major distributions are planning on switching, as they are already making the default session Wayland for the major DEs. I also have heard on one of the podcasts I listen to that Gnome is planning on ditching X entirely and making it a compile option.
The main concern for me is that the M series GPU drivers developed by the Asahi team are developed for Wayland first, and bugs are expected using X. It makes you wonder if other driver makers are going to develop with a Wayland first mindset.
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for software created for X11 to continue working.
Otherwise that would mean that any software not "updated" for Wayland would be unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
Thierry
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for software created for X11 to continue working.
archwiki has an article about Wayland:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland
From there:
"For compatibility with native X11 applications to run them seamlessly, Xwayland can be used, which provides an X Server in Wayland.
4 Xwayland
Xwayland is an X server that runs under Wayland and provides compatibility for native X11 applications that are yet to provide Wayland support.
Note:
Security: Xwayland is an X server, so it does not have the security features of Wayland
Performance: Xwayland has a nearly identical performance to that of X11. In some cases you might notice degraded performance, especially on NVIDIA cards.
Compatibility: Xwayland is not fully backward compatible with X11. Some applications may not work properly under Xwayland."
Bottom line: Xwayland is the workaround for X11 applications that have not been ported to Wayland yet, but Xwayland is way inferior to X.Org.
Gianluca
Otherwise that would mean that any software not "updated" for Wayland would be unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
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Good evening:
I usually install KDE plasma and Wayland. When I use TDE, I can choose KDEs window manager/Wayland and it works fine. I run it on both Antix and MX.
Thanks, John
On October 24, 2023 5:19:37 p.m. Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for software created for X11 to continue working.
archwiki has an article about Wayland:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland
From there:
"For compatibility with native X11 applications to run them seamlessly, Xwayland can be used, which provides an X Server in Wayland.
4 Xwayland
Xwayland is an X server that runs under Wayland and provides compatibility for native X11 applications that are yet to provide Wayland support.
Note:
Security: Xwayland is an X server, so it does not have the security features of Wayland
Performance: Xwayland has a nearly identical performance to that of X11. In some cases you might notice degraded performance, especially on NVIDIA cards.
Compatibility: Xwayland is not fully backward compatible with X11. Some applications may not work properly under Xwayland."
Bottom line: Xwayland is the workaround for X11 applications that have not been ported to Wayland yet, but Xwayland is way inferior to X.Org.
Gianluca
Otherwise that would mean that any software not "updated" for Wayland would be unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
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So are you running KDE 5s KWin as your Compositor and running the rest of TDE (Panels, etc*) in XWayland?
If so, I will look into this. The hardware I plan to switch to supports Wayland much better on the GPU drivers than X
One thing, is do not doable vsync when using Wayland. I have found a lot of programs with screen tear and or flicker, if vsync is disabled.
On October 24, 2023 5:19:37 p.m. Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for software created for X11 to continue working.
archwiki has an article about Wayland:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland
From there:
"For compatibility with native X11 applications to run them seamlessly, Xwayland can be used, which provides an X Server in Wayland.
4 Xwayland
Xwayland is an X server that runs under Wayland and provides compatibility for native X11 applications that are yet to provide Wayland support.
Note:
Security: Xwayland is an X server, so it does not have the security features of Wayland
Performance: Xwayland has a nearly identical performance to that of X11. In some cases you might notice degraded performance, especially on NVIDIA cards.
Compatibility: Xwayland is not fully backward compatible with X11. Some applications may not work properly under Xwayland."
Bottom line: Xwayland is the workaround for X11 applications that have not been ported to Wayland yet, but Xwayland is way inferior to X.Org.
Gianluca
Otherwise that would mean that any software not "updated" for Wayland would be unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
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