24 Oct
2023
24 Oct
'23
6:59 p.m.
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the projects
perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively anymore.
Most of the team has migrated over to Wayland which is catching up quick. Im curious to
see how a project such as this could tackle such an issue.
24 Oct
24 Oct
7:19 p.m.
jacobheinrich composed on 2023-10-24 18:59 (UTC):
I know that X11 is still around, but its development
isn't exactly lively anymore.
A mature system needs little "development". OTOH, there are things X provides
that
Wayland design prohibits ever providing. I hope TDE resources never need to be
wasted conforming to Wayland requirements.
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7:49 p.m.
OTOH, there are things X provides that Wayland design
prohibits ever
providing.
Is it my understanding that Wayland does not allow remote rendering? Does
this mean that `ssh -X` would no longer be able to open a remote window,
not even a `xterm` session? I thought this was the core funcionality of
any UNIX-like system. Wasn't this one of the reasons why UNIX was created
in the frist place? Have a terminal that connects to a central server?
There is something like XWayland that should resolve this, maybe? Are
major distributions like openSUSE going to switch to Wayland or XWayland?
Gianluca
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Felix Miata via tde-users wrote:
jacobheinrich composed on 2023-10-24 18:59 (UTC):
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I know that X11 is still around, but its
development isn't exactly lively anymore.
A mature system needs little "development". OTOH, there are things X provides
that
Wayland design prohibits ever providing. I hope TDE resources never need to be
wasted conforming to Wayland requirements.
--
Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion,
based on faith, not based on science.
Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks!
Felix Miata
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30 Oct
30 Oct
12:17 p.m.
It is my understanding that major distributions are planning on switching, as they are
already making the default session Wayland for the major DEs. I also have heard on one of
the podcasts I listen to that Gnome is planning on ditching X entirely and making it a
compile option.
The main concern for me is that the M series GPU drivers developed by the Asahi team are
developed for Wayland first, and bugs are expected using X. It makes you wonder if other
driver makers are going to develop with a Wayland first mindset.
24 Oct
24 Oct
8:57 p.m.
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01 jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the
projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively
anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for
software created for X11 to continue working.
Otherwise that would mean that any software not "updated" for Wayland would be
unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
Thierry
9:17 p.m.
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01 jacobheinrich---
via tde-users wrote:
archwiki has an article about Wayland:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland
From there:
"For compatibility with native X11 applications to run them seamlessly,
Xwayland can be used, which provides an X Server in Wayland.
4 Xwayland
Xwayland is an X server that runs under Wayland and provides compatibility
for native X11 applications that are yet to provide Wayland support.
Note:
Security: Xwayland is an X server, so it does not have the security
features of Wayland
Performance: Xwayland has a nearly identical performance to that of X11.
In some cases you might notice degraded performance, especially on NVIDIA
cards.
Compatibility: Xwayland is not fully backward compatible with X11. Some
applications may not work properly under Xwayland."
Bottom line: Xwayland is the workaround for X11 applications that have not
been ported to Wayland yet, but Xwayland is way inferior to X.Org.
Gianluca
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the
projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively
anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for
software created for X11 to continue working. Otherwise that would mean that any software not
"updated" for Wayland would be
unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
Thierry
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27 Oct
27 Oct
10:29 p.m.
Good evening:
I usually install KDE plasma and Wayland. When I use TDE, I can choose KDEs
window manager/Wayland and it works fine. I run it on both Antix and MX.
Thanks,
John
On October 24, 2023 5:19:37 p.m. Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users
<users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users
wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01
jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
archwiki has an article about Wayland:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland
From there:
"For compatibility with native X11 applications to run them seamlessly,
Xwayland can be used, which provides an X Server in Wayland.
4 Xwayland
Xwayland is an X server that runs under Wayland and provides compatibility
for native X11 applications that are yet to provide Wayland support.
Note:
Security: Xwayland is an X server, so it does not have the security
features of Wayland
Performance: Xwayland has a nearly identical performance to that of X11.
In some cases you might notice degraded performance, especially on NVIDIA
cards.
Compatibility: Xwayland is not fully backward compatible with X11. Some
applications may not work properly under Xwayland."
Bottom line: Xwayland is the workaround for X11 applications that have not
been ported to Wayland yet, but Xwayland is way inferior to X.Org.
Gianluca
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the
projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively
anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for
software created for X11 to continue working. Otherwise that would mean that any software not
"updated" for Wayland would be
unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
Thierry
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30 Oct
30 Oct
12:09 p.m.
So are you running KDE 5s KWin as your Compositor and running the rest of TDE (Panels,
etc*) in XWayland?
If so, I will look into this. The hardware I plan to switch to supports Wayland much
better on the GPU drivers than X
27 Oct
27 Oct
10:30 p.m.
One thing, is do not doable vsync when using Wayland. I have found a lot of
programs with screen tear and or flicker, if vsync is disabled.
On October 24, 2023 5:19:37 p.m. Gianluca Interlandi via tde-users
<users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
On Tue, 24 Oct 2023, Thierry de Coulon via tde-users
wrote:
On Tuesday 24 October 2023 20.59:01
jacobheinrich--- via tde-users wrote:
archwiki has an article about Wayland:
https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/wayland
From there:
"For compatibility with native X11 applications to run them seamlessly,
Xwayland can be used, which provides an X Server in Wayland.
4 Xwayland
Xwayland is an X server that runs under Wayland and provides compatibility
for native X11 applications that are yet to provide Wayland support.
Note:
Security: Xwayland is an X server, so it does not have the security
features of Wayland
Performance: Xwayland has a nearly identical performance to that of X11.
In some cases you might notice degraded performance, especially on NVIDIA
cards.
Compatibility: Xwayland is not fully backward compatible with X11. Some
applications may not work properly under Xwayland."
Bottom line: Xwayland is the workaround for X11 applications that have not
been ported to Wayland yet, but Xwayland is way inferior to X.Org.
Gianluca
Hey all.
Is there a project roadmap that is updated? Mostly looking to see the
projects perspectives on things like Wayland for example?
I know that X11 is still around, but its development isn't exactly lively
anymore.
I'm no specialist, but I thought Wayland would have to offer some way for
software created for X11 to continue working. Otherwise that would mean that any software not
"updated" for Wayland would be
unusable - and If Linux distribution go that way, I can't follow.
So what for would TDE ever need to care about Wayland?
Thierry
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