6 Dec
2019
6 Dec
'19
5:54 p.m.
I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable (buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
usable TDE?
Doc
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6 Dec
6 Dec
9:30 p.m.
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running
debian stable (buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
is visible.
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really, don't
want to give up and use KDE5.
Doc
--
Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans
9:37 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Friday 06 December 2019 13:30:17 D. R. Evans wrote:
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
I found that I had problems upgrading to Buster / Ascii. However, my
recommendation is maybe not a "fix", but a better workaround. I would suggest
using a different desktop (such as MATE) for you other desktop choice.
When I install Devuan, I use the netinstall CD, and MATE is one of the
choices. I find that it works better than KDE5 when running beside TDE. It
took me months and months of tweaking to get KDE5 to behave itself enough to
make my system work.
After I install the base system, I reboot into MATE, then add Open Office
(instead of LibreOffice), and usually reboot again, then install TDE, and
everything has been working almost with few problems for nearly a year;
especially the past 6 months have seen only a few minor bugs. No such luck
with KDE5.
Bill
I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system
running debian stable
(buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it
installed KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever
works these days. In particular, though, the screen looks fine
(1920x1200) and everything works as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can
get a usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when
the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as
the menu is visible.
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really, don't
want to give up and use KDE5.
Doc 
10:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Friday 06 December 2019 03:37:59 pm William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
On Friday 06 December 2019 13:30:17 D. R. Evans
wrote:
I've found that not installing any desktop during initial installation is my
preferred choice.
I generally make several bash scripts to do the TDE installation and other
initial housekeeping and stick those on a USB stick and use those after first
boot. Attaching them for convenience, modify as you desire.
Best,
Michael
PS: aud?, aup?, yes I'm that lazy... (actually I can't type...)
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
I found that I had problems upgrading to Buster / Ascii. However, my
recommendation is maybe not a "fix", but a better workaround. I would
suggest using a different desktop (such as MATE) for you other desktop
choice.
When I install Devuan, I use the netinstall CD, and MATE is one of the
choices. I find that it works better than KDE5 when running beside TDE. It
took me months and months of tweaking to get KDE5 to behave itself enough
to make my system work.
After I install the base system, I reboot into MATE, then add Open Office
(instead of LibreOffice), and usually reboot again, then install TDE, and
everything has been working almost with few problems for nearly a year;
especially the past 6 months have seen only a few minor bugs. No such luck
with KDE5. I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system
running debian stable
(buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it
installed KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever
works these days. In particular, though, the screen looks fine
(1920x1200) and everything works as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I
can get a usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when
the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as
the menu is visible.
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really,
don't want to give up and use KDE5.
Doc
10:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
Michael wrote on 12/6/19 3:15 PM:
On Friday 06 December 2019 03:37:59 pm William Morder
via trinity-users wrote:
> On Friday 06 December 2019 13:30:17 D. R. Evans wrote:
>> D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
>>> I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable
>>> (buster).
>>>
>>> All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it
>>> installed KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever
>>> works these days. In particular, though, the screen looks fine
>>> (1920x1200) and everything works as expected.
>>>
>>> In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
>>> desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
>>> keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
>>>
>>> Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I
>>> can get a usable TDE?
>>
>> More info:
>>
>> The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
>> and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
>>
>> If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
>> eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when
>> the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as
>> the menu is visible.
>>
>> Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really,
>> don't want to give up and use KDE5.
>>
>> Doc
>
> I found that I had problems upgrading to Buster / Ascii. However, my
> recommendation is maybe not a "fix", but a better workaround. I would
> suggest using a different desktop (such as MATE) for you other desktop
> choice.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you suggesting, as you seem to be, that if I
add MATE as a possible desktop, then that will somehow help TDE to work?
Doc
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11:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Friday 06 December 2019 14:48:07 D. R. Evans wrote:
Well, in preference to KDE5, yes. For me, anything besides TDE is bad. MATE
is, for me, the least bad of bad choices.
If you can do as Michael suggested, and install no desktop at all (see his
answer), then add TDE, that might be better still. Even better will be
whenever we see TDE as a default choice of desktops that are offered in the
mainstream Linux repositories (Ubuntu, Debian, Devuan, etc.), but it seems we
shall have to wait for that glad moment.
For myself, it helps to have another desktop as my backup, even if I don't use
it much. In the past it has proved useful for troubleshooting.
I am not saying that MATE will help TDE "work better"; only that MATE
interferes less with my TDE desktop. When I install Debian with the KDE5
desktop, it was a constant headache; maybe there are conflicts between KDE5
and TDE. I don't know, and am only really interested in what works. For
myself, since I must install TDE later, MATE has proved to be my best
workaround solution.
Bill
Michael wrote on 12/6/19 3:15 PM:
> On Friday 06 December 2019 03:37:59 pm William Morder via trinity-users
wrote:
> On Friday
06 December 2019 13:30:17 D. R. Evans wrote:
>> D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
>>> I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable
>>> (buster).
>>>
>>> All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it
>>> installed KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever
>>> works these days. In particular, though, the screen looks fine
>>> (1920x1200) and everything works as expected.
>>>
>>> In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and
>>> the desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so
>>> most keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
>>>
>>> Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I
>>> can get a usable TDE?
>>
>> More info:
>>
>> The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
>> and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
>>
>> If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough
>> times, eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a
>> moment when the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops
>> for as long as the menu is visible.
>>
>> Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really,
>> don't want to give up and use KDE5.
>>
>> Doc
>
> I found that I had problems upgrading to Buster / Ascii. However, my
> recommendation is maybe not a "fix", but a better workaround. I would
> suggest using a different desktop (such as MATE) for you other desktop
> choice.
Maybe I'm misunderstanding. Are you suggesting, as you seem to be, that if
I add MATE as a possible desktop, then that will somehow help TDE to work?
Doc
11:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Friday 06 December 2019 14:15:34 Michael wrote:
We'll be testing these scripts of yours whenever next I reinstall my system.
If it eliminates the need to install the MATE desktop, then you definitely
will be owed props from everybody.
Bill
On Friday 06 December 2019 03:37:59 pm William Morder
via trinity-users
wrote:
On Friday 06
December 2019 13:30:17 D. R. Evans wrote:
I've found that not installing any desktop during initial installation is
my preferred choice.
I generally make several bash scripts to do the TDE installation and other
initial housekeeping and stick those on a USB stick and use those after
first boot. Attaching them for convenience, modify as you desire.
Best,
Michael
PS: aud?, aup?, yes I'm that lazy... (actually I can't type...) D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
I found that I had problems upgrading to Buster / Ascii. However, my
recommendation is maybe not a "fix", but a better workaround. I would
suggest using a different desktop (such as MATE) for you other desktop
choice.
When I install Devuan, I use the netinstall CD, and MATE is one of the
choices. I find that it works better than KDE5 when running beside TDE.
It took me months and months of tweaking to get KDE5 to behave itself
enough to make my system work.
After I install the base system, I reboot into MATE, then add Open Office
(instead of LibreOffice), and usually reboot again, then install TDE, and
everything has been working almost with few problems for nearly a year;
especially the past 6 months have seen only a few minor bugs. No such
luck with KDE5. I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system
running debian stable
(buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it
installed KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE
ever works these days. In particular, though, the screen looks fine
(1920x1200) and everything works as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and
the desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so
most keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I
can get a usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough
times, eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a
moment when the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops
for as long as the menu is visible.
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really,
don't want to give up and use KDE5.
Doc 
7 Dec
7 Dec
12:28 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
William Morder via trinity-users composed on 2019-12-06 15:40 (UTC-0800):
We'll be testing these scripts of yours whenever
next I reinstall my system.
If it eliminates the need to install the MATE desktop, then you definitely
will be owed props from everybody.
From those who don't know how to do a minimal base install sure, but not from
everybody. There's no need to install Mate or KDE or any other DE before adding
TDE. Minimal installation with no X or DE, then adding, TDE has been normal
procedure here since I learned of TDE.
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1:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Friday 06 December 2019 16:28:27 Felix Miata wrote:
William Morder via trinity-users composed on
2019-12-06 15:40 (UTC-0800):
Okay, okay. Maybe not props from "everybody"; but he has shared his knowledge
with us, showed us another possible way to do things.
For myself, doing a minimal installation would be okay, if I had another
system on which to experiment. But all in good time.
Bill
We'll be testing these scripts of yours
whenever next I reinstall my
system. If it eliminates the need to install the MATE desktop, then you
definitely will be owed props from everybody.
From those who don't know how to do a minimal base install sure, but not
from everybody. There's no need to install Mate or KDE or any other DE
before adding TDE. Minimal installation with no X or DE, then adding, TDE
has been normal procedure here since I learned of TDE.
6 Dec
6 Dec
11:30 p.m.
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
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I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system
running debian stable (buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
is visible. 
11:34 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
Anno domini 2019 Fri, 6 Dec 16:30:14 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
can you run "top"or "htop" on a console (e.g.:
<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>)?
Nik
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D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system
running debian stable (buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
is visible.
7 Dec
7 Dec
2:27 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 12/6/19 4:34 PM:
Anno domini 2019 Fri, 6 Dec 16:30:14 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
----
top -b -n 1 produces (while the flickering is occurring):
top - 19:24:38 up 4 min, 3 users, load average: 1.40, 1.24, 0.56
Tasks: 592 total, 1 running, 590 sleeping, 0 stopped, 1 zombie
%Cpu(s): 9.9 us, 3.8 sy, 0.0 ni, 85.5 id, 0.0 wa, 0.0 hi, 0.8 si, 0.0 st
MiB Mem : 31937.5 total, 29274.7 free, 2303.3 used, 359.5 buff/cache
MiB Swap: 0.0 total, 0.0 free, 0.0 used. 29109.6 avail Mem
PID USER PR NI VIRT RES SHR S %CPU %MEM TIME+ COMMAND
2816 n7dr 20 0 157640 24428 18680 S 106.7 0.1 2:13.59 kdesktop
10051 n7dr 20 0 11548 2916 1940 R 6.7 0.0 0:00.01 top
1 root 20 0 169796 7592 5040 S 0.0 0.0 0:01.95 systemd
2 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.10 kthreadd
3 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rcu_gp
4 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rcu_par_gp
5 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/0:0-memcg_kmem_cache
6 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kworker/0:0H
7 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u16:0-events_unbound
8 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mm_percpu_wq
9 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 ksoftirqd/0
10 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.12 rcu_sched
11 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rcu_bh
12 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 migration/0
13 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.06
kworker/0:1-events
14 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 cpuhp/0
15 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/1
16 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 migration/1
17 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 ksoftirqd/1
18 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/1:0-pm
19 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/1:0H-kblockd
20 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/2
21 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 migration/2
22 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 ksoftirqd/2
23 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.25
kworker/2:0-mm_percpu_wq
24 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/2:0H-kblockd
25 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/3
26 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 migration/3
27 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 ksoftirqd/3
28 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/3:0-events
29 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/3:0H-kblockd
30 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/4
31 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 migration/4
32 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 ksoftirqd/4
33 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/4:0-mm_percpu_wq
34 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/4:0H-kblockd
35 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/5
36 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/5
37 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 ksoftirqd/5
38 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/5:0-pm
39 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/5:0H-kblockd
40 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/6
41 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 migration/6
42 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksoftirqd/6
43 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/6:0-rcu_gp
44 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/6:0H-kblockd
45 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cpuhp/7
46 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 migration/7
47 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 ksoftirqd/7
48 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/7:0-events
49 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/7:0H-kblockd
50 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kdevtmpfs
51 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 netns
52 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 kauditd
53 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/1:1-pm
54 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 khungtaskd
55 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 oom_reaper
56 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 writeback
57 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kcompactd0
58 root 25 5 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ksmd
59 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 khugepaged
60 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 crypto
61 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kintegrityd
62 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kblockd
63 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 edac-poller
64 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 devfreq_wq
65 root rt 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 watchdogd
66 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.04
kworker/3:1-mm_percpu_wq
67 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.02
kworker/7:1-mm_percpu_wq
68 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.03
kworker/2:1-events
69 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kswapd0
87 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kthrotld
88 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ipv6_addrconf
89 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u16:1-events_unbound
91 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.08
kworker/5:1-mm_percpu_wq
99 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kstrp
102 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
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103 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.04
kworker/1:3-mm_percpu_wq
104 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kworker/1:4
105 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.25
kworker/4:1-events
106 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/6:1-mm_percpu_wq
154 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
acpi_thermal_pm
190 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ata_sff
200 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/2:2-events
215 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/2:3-cgroup_destroy
226 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ttm_swap
233 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_0
234 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_tmf_0
235 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_1
236 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_tmf_1
237 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_2
238 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_tmf_2
239 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_3
240 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_tmf_3
241 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_4
242 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_tmf_4
243 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_eh_5
244 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 scsi_tmf_5
245 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u16:2-rpciod
246 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u16:3-events_unbound
247 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.69
kworker/u16:4-i915
248 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.02
kworker/u16:5-rpciod
249 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u16:6-i915
252 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u17:0-xprtiod
253 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 i915/signal:0
254 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 i915/signal:1
255 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 i915/signal:2
256 root -2 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 i915/signal:6
257 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kworker/u16:7
258 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cec-DP-1
259 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/6:1H-kblockd
260 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/5:1H-kblockd
263 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/7:2-cgroup_destroy
270 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/3:2-mm_percpu_wq
272 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/2:1H-kblockd
281 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/4:2-events
299 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02
spl_system_task
300 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
spl_delay_taskq
301 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05
spl_dynamic_tas
302 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.07
spl_kmem_cache
303 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 zvol
304 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 arc_prune
305 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
zthr_procedure
306 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
zthr_procedure
307 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 dbu_evict
308 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dbuf_evict
309 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_vdev_file
310 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 l2arc_feed
323 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/4:1H-kblockd
324 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/3:1H-kblockd
393 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.03 z_null_iss
394 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_null_int
395 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_iss
396 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.13 z_rd_int
397 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.15 z_rd_int
398 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.13 z_rd_int
399 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.14 z_rd_int
400 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.17 z_rd_int
401 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.14 z_rd_int
402 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.15 z_rd_int
403 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.15 z_rd_int
404 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 z_wr_iss
405 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.07 z_wr_iss
406 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_iss
407 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_iss
408 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 z_wr_iss
409 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.06 z_wr_iss
410 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss_h
411 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_int
412 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 z_wr_int
413 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_int
414 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 z_wr_int
415 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_int
416 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_int
417 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_int
418 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_wr_int
419 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int_h
420 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
421 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
422 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
423 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
424 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
425 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
426 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
427 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
428 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_int
429 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_cl_iss
430 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_cl_int
431 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_ioctl_iss
432 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_ioctl_int
433 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_trim_iss
434 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_trim_int
435 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_zvol
436 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_prefetch
437 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_upgrade
441 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 dp_sync_taskq
442 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 dp_sync_taskq
443 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 dp_sync_taskq
444 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
445 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 dp_sync_taskq
446 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
447 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
448 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
449 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
450 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
451 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
452 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
453 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
454 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
455 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_iput
456 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
z_unlinked_drai
460 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
metaslab_group_
614 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 txg_quiesce
615 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.06 txg_sync
616 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mmp
657 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/1:1H-kblockd
658 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
zthr_procedure
659 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
zthr_procedure
761 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/7:1H-kblockd
907 root 20 0 29628 7288 6096 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.36
systemd-journal
923 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rpciod
924 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 xprtiod
925 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/5:2-mm_percpu_wq
934 root 20 0 23696 4484 2472 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.34 systemd-udevd
940 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/0:1H-kblockd
1009 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 z_null_iss
1010 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 z_null_int
1011 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_iss
1012 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1013 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1014 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1015 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1016 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1017 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1018 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1019 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_rd_int
1020 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss
1021 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss
1022 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss
1023 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss
1024 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss
1025 root 1 -19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss
1026 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_iss_h
1027 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1028 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1029 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1030 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1031 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1032 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1033 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1034 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1035 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int_h
1036 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1037 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1038 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1039 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1040 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1041 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1042 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1043 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_iss
1044 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_fr_int
1045 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_cl_iss
1046 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_cl_int
1047 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_ioctl_iss
1048 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_ioctl_int
1049 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_trim_iss
1050 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_trim_int
1051 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_zvol
1052 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_prefetch
1053 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_upgrade
1057 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
1058 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
1059 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
1060 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
1061 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
1062 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dp_sync_taskq
1063 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1064 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1065 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1066 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1067 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1068 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1069 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1070 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
dp_zil_clean_ta
1071 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_iput
1072 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
z_unlinked_drai
1076 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
metaslab_group_
1144 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 txg_quiesce
1145 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 txg_sync
1146 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 mmp
1234 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
zthr_procedure
1237 root 39 19 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
zthr_procedure
1394 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/0:2-cgroup_destroy
1473 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/7:3-cgroup_destroy
1474 root -51 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
irq/141-mei_me
1484 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.05
kworker/6:2-mm_percpu_wq
1532 root 20 0 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/5:3-events
1621 systemd+ 20 0 95144 4756 3892 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.08
systemd-timesyn
1622 _rpc 20 0 6824 2312 1880 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 rpcbind
1639 root 20 0 8084 4736 1100 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.23 haveged
1650 root 20 0 238880 4772 3744 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.06
accounts-daemon
1653 root 20 0 398808 9144 6524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.10 udisksd
1654 root 20 0 166736 3436 2676 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.23 zed
1656 avahi 20 0 8004 2336 2020 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.03 avahi-daemon
1657 message+ 20 0 9332 3256 2272 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.22 dbus-daemon
1658 root 20 0 19768 3552 2920 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
wpa_supplicant
1660 root 20 0 19508 5520 4520 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.13
systemd-logind
1661 root 20 0 29196 5008 3812 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 cupsd
1666 root 39 19 31452 3968 3040 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 alsactl
1668 root 20 0 332556 10016 7856 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.12
NetworkManager
1669 root 20 0 318320 8732 5224 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 ModemManager
1670 root 20 0 225824 5272 2036 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 rsyslogd
1713 avahi 20 0 7872 304 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 avahi-daemon
1720 root 20 0 9488 3676 2404 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dhclient
1749 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
iprt-VBoxWQueue
1750 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
iprt-VBoxTscThr
1805 lp 20 0 19112 3948 3144 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dbus
1806 root 20 0 185212 7384 5968 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.05 cups-browsed
1894 root 20 0 237884 6476 4060 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 polkitd
1967 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
1968 root 0 -20 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 z_wr_int
2012 root 20 0 15852 4272 3432 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sshd
2103 root 20 0 7440 2076 1820 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 inetd
2108 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 nfsiod
2114 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kworker/u17:1
2115 root 20 0 0 0 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 NFSv4
callback
2120 root 20 0 8504 1736 1536 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 cron
2128 root 20 0 5612 1204 1096 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 agetty
2129 root 20 0 137868 9068 7912 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.06 sddm
2131 root 20 0 5564 1720 1532 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 lisa
2135 root 20 0 1019476 101384 32700 S 0.0 0.3 0:31.92 Xorg
2384 root 20 0 59496 9800 8664 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.10 sddm-helper
2388 n7dr 20 0 21412 7460 5832 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 systemd
2389 n7dr 20 0 23136 2624 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 (sd-pam)
2400 n7dr 20 0 266724 21500 16592 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.26 kwalletd5
2401 n7dr 20 0 2388 1224 1100 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.04 starttde
2414 n7dr 20 0 8688 2836 2408 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 dbus-daemon
2438 n7dr 20 0 5852 476 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 ssh-agent
2560 root 20 0 5020 976 800 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01
tde_dbus_hardwa
2566 n7dr 20 0 71108 9372 5924 S 0.0 0.0 0:03.22 dcopserver
2571 n7dr 20 0 83140 24160 16996 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.59 kded
2710 root 20 0 2144 68 0 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 start_tdeinit
2711 n7dr 20 0 70668 6108 2940 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.02 tdeinit
2801 n7dr 20 0 75804 16884 13636 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.59 tdelauncher
2807 n7dr 20 0 63720 16504 14296 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.02
tdeinit_phase1
2808 n7dr 20 0 2388 568 496 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sh
2809 n7dr 20 0 2280 536 476 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kwrapper
2811 n7dr 20 0 78568 20840 13980 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.86 ksmserver
2812 n7dr 20 0 82308 20724 15088 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.61 twin
2813 n7dr 20 0 82936 21308 15020 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.56 twin
2817 n7dr 20 0 157600 24272 18656 S 0.0 0.1 0:18.82 kdesktop
2829 n7dr 20 0 90824 26532 18252 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.68 kicker
2830 n7dr 20 0 90808 26532 18288 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.87 kicker
2832 n7dr 20 0 70840 10676 7480 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2837 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2839 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2848 n7dr 20 0 68952 20436 16696 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.35
kblankscrn.kss
2854 n7dr 20 0 77996 16256 12044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.30 khotkeys
2855 n7dr 20 0 77708 16044 12044 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.34 khotkeys
2856 n7dr 20 0 68948 20472 16740 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
2862 n7dr 20 0 68944 20532 16800 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
2889 n7dr 20 0 68956 20620 16844 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.33
kblankscrn.kss
2891 n7dr 20 0 190988 13816 9924 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.45 artsd
2896 n7dr 20 0 75160 16664 12976 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.27 kaccess
2899 n7dr 20 0 72140 11740 8524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_media
2900 n7dr 20 0 70840 10780 7588 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2910 n7dr 20 0 68984 20660 16840 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
2912 n7dr 9 -11 351352 16892 10012 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.17 pulseaudio
2915 n7dr 20 0 84264 23876 15840 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.06 tderandrtray
3041 rtkit 21 1 152648 2120 1888 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 rtkit-daemon
3047 n7dr 20 0 68984 20668 16892 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.30
kblankscrn.kss
3058 n7dr 20 0 1097584 70712 51348 S 0.0 0.2 0:01.15 yakuake
3068 n7dr 20 0 68984 20468 16700 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.35
kblankscrn.kss
3073 n7dr 20 0 68956 20664 16888 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.36
kblankscrn.kss
3076 n7dr 20 0 93464 24040 18700 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.33 knotify
3077 n7dr 20 0 55376 25692 10564 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.40 applet.py
3078 n7dr 20 0 237608 3432 2980 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 agent
3079 n7dr 20 0 312440 6964 4320 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.01
at-spi-bus-laun
3085 n7dr 20 0 68992 20716 16936 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.33
kblankscrn.kss
3100 n7dr 20 0 8556 2656 2340 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dbus-daemon
3106 n7dr 20 0 79604 18924 13868 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34 klipper
3116 n7dr 20 0 171560 25820 16268 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.48 kmix
3118 n7dr 20 0 68980 20720 16952 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3122 n7dr 20 0 87104 23500 14892 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.14 tdepowersave
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kblankscrn.kss
3132 n7dr 20 0 68988 20688 16912 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
3156 n7dr 20 0 68984 20928 17156 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.30
kblankscrn.kss
3165 n7dr 20 0 246204 16196 13924 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.21 kglobalaccel5
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kblankscrn.kss
3180 n7dr 20 0 68960 20676 16896 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.33
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
3215 n7dr 20 0 68956 20916 17140 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.30
kblankscrn.kss
3223 n7dr 20 0 68988 20868 17096 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3227 n7dr 20 0 68984 20872 17100 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3231 n7dr 20 0 68984 20740 16968 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3250 n7dr 20 0 68988 20724 16952 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3254 n7dr 20 0 68988 20696 16924 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3262 n7dr 20 0 68988 20704 16928 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3277 n7dr 20 0 68984 20868 17096 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.30
kblankscrn.kss
3288 n7dr 20 0 68988 20632 16860 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3292 n7dr 20 0 68952 20928 17156 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
3320 n7dr 20 0 68988 20884 17112 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3332 n7dr 20 0 68984 20932 17164 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
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3336 n7dr 20 0 68956 20700 16924 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.35
kblankscrn.kss
3352 n7dr 20 0 68984 20776 17004 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.35
kblankscrn.kss
3370 n7dr 20 0 68952 20648 16876 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
3374 n7dr 20 0 68988 20784 17004 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3380 n7dr 20 0 68984 20928 17156 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3381 n7dr 20 0 6992 2608 2076 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 bash
3406 n7dr 20 0 68956 20656 16884 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3415 n7dr 20 0 8556 2076 1720 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 dbus-daemon
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kblankscrn.kss
3550 n7dr 20 0 68988 20912 17140 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3561 n7dr 20 0 68984 20792 17016 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
3569 n7dr 20 0 68988 20716 16944 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.33
kblankscrn.kss
3582 n7dr 20 0 68984 20804 17036 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.35
kblankscrn.kss
3613 n7dr 20 0 68984 20660 16892 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
3696 n7dr 20 0 68996 20752 16968 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3703 n7dr 20 0 68988 20788 17012 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.34
kblankscrn.kss
3716 n7dr 20 0 68984 20784 17016 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3720 n7dr 20 0 68988 20772 17000 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3736 n7dr 20 0 68956 20740 16964 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3742 n7dr 20 0 68988 20788 17016 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.33
kblankscrn.kss
3753 n7dr 20 0 68984 20760 16992 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.28
kblankscrn.kss
3769 n7dr 20 0 68984 20864 17096 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.28
kblankscrn.kss
3794 n7dr 20 0 68992 20888 17112 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3809 n7dr 20 0 68988 20672 16896 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3821 n7dr 20 0 68984 20792 17020 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
3825 n7dr 20 0 68984 20660 16884 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3829 n7dr 20 0 68984 20688 16920 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.28
kblankscrn.kss
3836 n7dr 20 0 68980 20716 16944 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.28
kblankscrn.kss
3858 n7dr 20 0 68960 20864 17088 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.27
kblankscrn.kss
3877 n7dr 20 0 68956 20788 17012 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3893 n7dr 20 0 68992 20820 17040 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.27
kblankscrn.kss
3901 n7dr 20 0 68984 20716 16944 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
3910 n7dr 20 0 68956 20812 17036 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.31
kblankscrn.kss
3916 n7dr 20 0 68984 20788 17020 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.30
kblankscrn.kss
3920 n7dr 20 0 68984 20804 17032 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.28
kblankscrn.kss
3940 n7dr 20 0 68956 20692 16912 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
3959 n7dr 20 0 68952 20720 16948 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.27
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
3983 n7dr 20 0 68952 20860 17088 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.26
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4260 n7dr 20 0 68956 20756 16976 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.32
kblankscrn.kss
4275 n7dr 20 0 68952 20716 16944 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.26
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4292 n7dr 20 0 68988 20672 16900 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.26
kblankscrn.kss
4310 n7dr 20 0 68988 20932 17160 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.24
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4413 n7dr 20 0 68988 20716 16940 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.26
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4499 n7dr 20 0 68984 20696 16924 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.29
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4577 n7dr 20 0 68988 20720 16948 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.27
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4634 n7dr 20 0 68980 20784 17016 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.25
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
4657 n7dr 20 0 68984 20804 17040 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.24
kblankscrn.kss
4664 root 20 0 16604 5608 4532 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sshd
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kblankscrn.kss
4687 n7dr 20 0 16604 3712 2628 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sshd
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
5445 n7dr 20 0 68956 20872 17100 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.24
kblankscrn.kss
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kblankscrn.kss
5777 n7dr 20 0 68956 20716 16940 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.20
kblankscrn.kss
5828 root 0 -20 0 0 0 I 0.0 0.0 0:00.00
kworker/u17:2-xprtiod
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kblankscrn.kss
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6584 n7dr 20 0 68988 20876 17100 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.18
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kblankscrn.kss
8376 n7dr 20 0 68988 20660 16888 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.14
kblankscrn.kss
8435 n7dr 20 0 68984 20792 17024 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.11
kblankscrn.kss
8454 n7dr 20 0 68988 20668 16888 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.15
kblankscrn.kss
8483 n7dr 20 0 68956 20728 16952 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.13
kblankscrn.kss
8522 n7dr 20 0 68988 20864 17092 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.13
kblankscrn.kss
8675 n7dr 20 0 68956 20796 17020 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.10
kblankscrn.kss
9090 n7dr 20 0 68956 20704 16928 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.11
kblankscrn.kss
9304 n7dr 20 0 68980 20812 17044 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.08
kblankscrn.kss
9890 n7dr 20 0 68956 20916 17144 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.05
kblankscrn.kss
9922 n7dr 20 0 68984 20788 17020 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.03
kblankscrn.kss
9938 n7dr 20 0 152072 25596 20852 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.44 kdesktop_lock
9939 n7dr 20 0 77204 19628 16044 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.01 kdesktop_lock
9940 n7dr 20 0 68984 20652 16880 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.05
kblankscrn.kss
9941 n7dr 20 0 0 0 0 Z 0.0 0.0 0:00.01 kdesktop_lock
9943 n7dr 20 0 67928 19108 16556 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.03
kblankscrn.kss
----
Doc
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D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
can you run "top"or "htop" on a console (e.g.:
<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>)?
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system
running debian stable (buster).
All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
as expected.
In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
usable TDE?
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
is visible. 
10:48 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 19:27:14 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 12/6/19 4:34 PM:
[...]
Anno domini 2019 Fri, 6 Dec 16:30:14 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
----
top -b -n 1 produces (while the flickering is occurring):
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
can you run "top"or "htop" on a console (e.g.:
<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>)?
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
> I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable (buster).
>
> All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
> KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
> In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
> as expected.
>
> In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
> desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
> keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
>
> Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
> usable TDE?
>
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
is visible.
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
2808 n7dr 20 0 2388 568 496 S 0.0
0.0 0:00.00 sh
2809 n7dr 20 0 2280 536 476 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kwrapper
2811 n7dr 20 0 78568 20840 13980 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.86 ksmserver
2812 n7dr 20 0 82308 20724 15088 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.61 twin
2813 n7dr 20 0 82936 21308 15020 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.56 twin
2817 n7dr 20 0 157600 24272 18656 S 0.0 0.1 0:18.82 kdesktop
2829 n7dr 20 0 90824 26532 18252 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.68 kicker
2830 n7dr 20 0 90808 26532 18288 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.87 kicker
2832 n7dr 20 0 70840 10676 7480 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2837 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2839 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
[...]
The doubled-up instances of kicker and twin jump out at me as a possible conflict.
E. Liddell
8 Dec
8 Dec
2:53 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
E. Liddell wrote on 12/7/19 3:48 PM:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 19:27:14 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
OK; so do you have any idea what spawns the twin and kicker processes? I'm
floundering here (as is so often the case). Since this happens immediately I
log in, I'm not starting anything manually.
Doc
--
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Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 12/6/19 4:34 PM:
[...]
Anno domini 2019 Fri, 6 Dec 16:30:14 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
----
top -b -n 1 produces (while the flickering is occurring):
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
> D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
>> I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable (buster).
>>
>> All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
>> KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
>> In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
>> as expected.
>>
>> In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
>> desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
>> keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
>>
>> Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
>> usable TDE?
>>
>
> More info:
>
> The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
> the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
>
> If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
> eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
> desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
> is visible.
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
can you run "top"or "htop" on a console (e.g.:
<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>)?
2808 n7dr 20 0 2388 568 496 S
0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sh
2809 n7dr 20 0 2280 536 476 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kwrapper
2811 n7dr 20 0 78568 20840 13980 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.86 ksmserver
2812 n7dr 20 0 82308 20724 15088 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.61 twin
2813 n7dr 20 0 82936 21308 15020 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.56 twin
2817 n7dr 20 0 157600 24272 18656 S 0.0 0.1 0:18.82 kdesktop
2829 n7dr 20 0 90824 26532 18252 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.68 kicker
2830 n7dr 20 0 90808 26532 18288 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.87 kicker
2832 n7dr 20 0 70840 10676 7480 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2837 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2839 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
[...]
The doubled-up instances of kicker and twin jump out at me as a possible conflict.
9:35 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
Anno domini 2019 Sat, 7 Dec 19:53:11 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
E. Liddell wrote on 12/7/19 3:48 PM:
Most likely systemd.
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 19:27:14 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
OK; so do you have any idea what spawns the twin and kicker processes? I'm
floundering here (as is so often the case). Since this happens immediately I
log in, I'm not starting anything manually. Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 12/6/19 4:34 PM:
[...]
Anno domini 2019 Fri, 6 Dec 16:30:14 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
> D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
>> D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
>>> I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable (buster).
>>>
>>> All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it
installed
>>> KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these
days.
>>> In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything
works
>>> as expected.
>>>
>>> In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
>>> desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
>>> keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
>>>
>>> Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get
a
>>> usable TDE?
>>>
>>
>> More info:
>>
>> The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
>> the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
>>
>> If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
>> eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
>> desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
>> is visible.
>
> More info:
>
> After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
> suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
> that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
> the flickering had stopped.
>
> So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
> requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
> flickering problem.
>
> Doc
>
> PS I have no screensaver set.
>
can you run "top"or "htop" on a console (e.g.:
<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>)?
----
top -b -n 1 produces (while the flickering is occurring):
2808 n7dr 20 0 2388 568 496 S
0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sh
2809 n7dr 20 0 2280 536 476 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kwrapper
2811 n7dr 20 0 78568 20840 13980 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.86 ksmserver
2812 n7dr 20 0 82308 20724 15088 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.61 twin
2813 n7dr 20 0 82936 21308 15020 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.56 twin
2817 n7dr 20 0 157600 24272 18656 S 0.0 0.1 0:18.82 kdesktop
2829 n7dr 20 0 90824 26532 18252 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.68 kicker
2830 n7dr 20 0 90808 26532 18288 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.87 kicker
2832 n7dr 20 0 70840 10676 7480 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2837 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2839 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
[...]
The doubled-up instances of kicker and twin jump out at me as a possible conflict.
Doc
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3:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
E. Liddell wrote on 12/7/19 3:48 PM:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 19:27:14 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I can confirm that on the machine in question, twin is started twice on login,
and it is started only once on the machine on which I am typing this:
----
[before login, with the sddm screen showing]:
[ZB:~] top -b -n 1 | grep twin
[after login]:
[ZB:~] top -b -n 1 | grep twin
5405 n7dr 20 0 82156 20316 14816 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.08 twin
5406 n7dr 20 0 82928 21292 15020 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.11 twin
[ZB:~] exit
logout
Connection to zbrew closed.
[on this machine]:
[HN:radio] top -b -n 1 | grep twin
28092 n7dr 20 0 198264 14364 6132 S 0.0 0.2 2:23.39 twin
[HN:radio]
----
So this certainly looks like there's a problem with twin being started more
than once on the zbrew machine when I log in. The same goes for kicker.
Doc
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Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote on 12/6/19 4:34 PM:
[...]
Anno domini 2019 Fri, 6 Dec 16:30:14 -0700
D. R. Evans scripsit:
----
top -b -n 1 produces (while the flickering is occurring):
D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 2:30 PM:
> D. R. Evans wrote on 12/6/19 10:54 AM:
>> I just installed TDE on a new-to-me system running debian stable (buster).
>>
>> All the initial system installation was done from a live CD, and it installed
>> KDE. That installed version of KDE works as well as KDE ever works these days.
>> In particular, though, the screen looks fine (1920x1200) and everything works
>> as expected.
>>
>> In the newly-installed TDE, though, the desktop flickers wildly and the
>> desktop is simply unusable: input is lost during the flickers, so most
>> keyboard/mouse input is not even seen by the desktop.
>>
>> Where should I look to try to eliminate all the flickering so that I can get a
>> usable TDE?
>>
>
> More info:
>
> The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel and
> the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
>
> If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
> eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when the
> desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as the menu
> is visible.
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE, it
suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and requested
that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to the session, but
the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the popup
requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to the
flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
can you run "top"or "htop" on a console (e.g.:
<ctrl>+<alt>+<f1>)?
2808 n7dr 20 0 2388 568 496 S
0.0 0.0 0:00.00 sh
2809 n7dr 20 0 2280 536 476 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 kwrapper
2811 n7dr 20 0 78568 20840 13980 S 0.0 0.1 0:00.86 ksmserver
2812 n7dr 20 0 82308 20724 15088 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.61 twin
2813 n7dr 20 0 82936 21308 15020 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.56 twin
2817 n7dr 20 0 157600 24272 18656 S 0.0 0.1 0:18.82 kdesktop
2829 n7dr 20 0 90824 26532 18252 S 0.0 0.1 0:01.68 kicker
2830 n7dr 20 0 90808 26532 18288 S 0.0 0.1 0:02.87 kicker
2832 n7dr 20 0 70840 10676 7480 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2837 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
2839 n7dr 20 0 70840 10720 7524 S 0.0 0.0 0:00.00 tdeio_file
[...]
The doubled-up instances of kicker and twin jump out at me as a possible conflict.
11 Dec
11 Dec
1:15 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:30:14 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
By any chance, do you have multiple monitors setup via Xorg.conf (not
randr)? Anyway, rename /opt/trinity/bin/kdesktop_lock to something (like
add .NO to it), restart pc and see if it helped.
--
Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough
times, eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a
moment when the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops
for as long as the menu is visible.
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE,
it suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and
requested that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to
the session, but the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the
popup requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to
the flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
6:50 p.m.
New subject: [tentatively SOLVED] Re: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
Nick Koretsky wrote on 12/11/19 6:15 AM:
On Fri, 6 Dec 2019 16:30:14 -0700
"D. R. Evans" <doc.evans(a)gmail.com> wrote:
By any chance, do you have multiple monitors setup via Xorg.conf (not
randr)? Anyway, rename /opt/trinity/bin/kdesktop_lock to something (like
add .NO to it), restart pc and see if it helped.
I have only one monitor, but the motherboard appears to support two graphics
ports. And even though only one port has anything attached to it, I realised
that I can change a jumper on the motherboard to disable the one that is
unused (it appears to be dedicated in some way to remote administration;
switching the monitor to that port causes an error message to appear on the
monitor, and I couldn't find a way to actually use a monitor on that port). So
I disabled the unused port by moving the hardware jumper and rebooted... and
magically, now there is only one twin process and the flickering has stopped.
So I am tentatively considering that for my system this issue has been worked
around.
I am fairly sure that there is a bug somewhere in TDE, because the problem
should never have occurred -- and, indeed, doesn't occur with KDE. Somehow, it
seems that if there are two graphics ports on the system, even though one has
logged in via sddm with a monitor attached to just one port, two twin process
are started, and they both try to write to the same port.
Anyway, unless it recurs for some reason, I think it's safe now for me to move
on to the next issue :-)
Doc
--
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More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough
times, eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a
moment when the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops
for as long as the menu is visible.
More info:
After a few minutes of I trying to use this (basically unsable :-( ) TDE,
it suddenly popped up a dialog that said that the screen was locked and
requested that I enter my password. When I did that, I was returned to
the session, but the flickering had stopped.
So that suggests the question: what causes the screen to lock and the
popup requesting unlocking to appear? Somehow that seems to be related to
the flickering problem.
Doc
PS I have no screensaver set.
7 Dec
7 Dec
7:29 a.m.
On 12/06/2019 03:30 PM, D. R. Evans wrote:
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really,
really, really, don't
want to give up and use KDE5.
You won't -- who wants to wait 5 min. for a desktop to start anyway :)
There are several things to check. The first, and I apologize I can't give you
a chapter and verse here, but I do recall an issue with 2-panels being
triggered plasma/TDE, and if I recall it had to do with the /etc/xdg/autostart
stuff plasma adds to the box. Check the autostart folder for anything suspicious.
There is two of something running that is fighting for the same screen real
estate.
Second, the underlying graphics system (driver, etc..) should be the same no
matter what desktop you are running. How xrandr is used or what plasma does on
its own can effect DPMS, etc.., but what pumps pixels to the screen from your
GPU should be desktop agnostic.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
3:20 p.m.
David C. Rankin wrote on 12/7/19 12:29 AM:
On 12/06/2019 03:30 PM, D. R. Evans wrote:
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I
really, really, really, don't
want to give up and use KDE5.
There are several things to check. The first, and I
apologize I can't give you
a chapter and verse here, but I do recall an issue with 2-panels being
triggered plasma/TDE, and if I recall it had to do with the /etc/xdg/autostart
stuff plasma adds to the box. Check the autostart folder for anything suspicious.
I don't know what would be suspicious, but here are the contents of that
directory:
----
[ZB:autostart] ls -al
total 172
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 20 Nov 11 14:40 .
drwxr-xr-x 9 root root 192 Dec 6 10:19 ..
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 202 Feb 9 2019 at-spi-dbus-bus.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1844 Jan 6 2019 baloo_file.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 223 Jan 12 2019 geoclue-demo-agent.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 937 Jan 8 2019 gmenudbusmenuproxy.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1474 Dec 30 2018 kdeconnectd.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11708 Jan 8 2019 klipper.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3041 Nov 20 2018 konqy_preload.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1036 Jan 8 2019 krunner.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 272 Oct 20 2018 orca-autostart.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7112 Oct 30 2018 org.kde.korgac.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2374 Jan 8 2019 org.kde.plasmashell.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3908 Jan 24 2019 pam_kwallet_init.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3917 Jan 24 2019
polkit-kde-authentication-agent-1.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5495 Jan 24 2019 powerdevil.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7969 Dec 27 2018 print-applet.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 4973 Aug 15 09:21 pulseaudio.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 212 Dec 27 2018 xdg-user-dirs.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1163 Jan 8 2019 xembedsniproxy.desktop
[ZB:autostart]
----
There is two of something running that is fighting for
the same screen real
estate.
That is an excellent thought. That's exactly what it looks like.
Second, the underlying graphics system (driver, etc..)
should be the same no
matter what desktop you are running. How xrandr is used or what plasma does on
its own can effect DPMS, etc.., but what pumps pixels to the screen from your
GPU should be desktop agnostic.
Right. And I don't see how it is likely to be the driver anyway, since the
background wallpaper doesn't flicker, just the stuff that's layered on top of
it. That fact is probably telling us something important, but I don't know
what :-)
Doc
--
Web: http://enginehousebooks.com/drevans
13 Dec
13 Dec
7 a.m.
On 12/07/2019 09:20 AM, D. R. Evans wrote:
I don't know what would be suspicious, but here are the contents of that
directory:
----
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 11708 Jan 8 2019
klipper.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3041 Nov 20 2018 konqy_preload.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1036 Jan 8 2019 krunner.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 7112 Oct 30 2018 org.kde.korgac.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 2374 Jan 8 2019 org.kde.plasmashell.desktop
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3908 Jan 24 2019 pam_kwallet_init.desktop
All of it. Those pieces of plasma are started with X every time. So you are
loading the parts of the plasma desktop necessary to support klipper (both
plasma and TDE use differing versions), plasmashell, krunner, etc.. should
have different names, but I wouldn't be surprised if plasma wasn't attempting
to put its toolbar on the screen at the same time.
Further checks with top, ps axf, etc.. would be needed to confirm if you have
2 clipboard managers, 2 wallets or the like running at the same time all
fighting for the same systray -- whichever desktop that happens to be.
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David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
7 Dec
7 Dec
7:35 a.m.
D. R. Evans wrote:
More info:
The background doesn't flicker at all. What is flickering are the panel
and the default icons on the desktop, many times a second.
If I succeed in bringing up the TDE menu (which, if I click enough times,
eventually does appear when I succeed in timing a click at a moment when
the desktop is accepting input), then the flickering stops for as long as
the menu is visible.
Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I really, really, really,
don't want to give up and use KDE5.
Try the tderandrtray and set better resolution to match your screen.
flickering comes from many possible places but most often is the requency
1:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: TDE flickers wildly and unusably; KDE OK
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> Really hoping for some helpful suggestions. I
really, really, really, don't want to give up and use KDE5.
Just for info, I ran TDE in buster for all the time buster was testing and never had major
issues.
Sure, flickering can come from many places/reasons and your system may be different from
mine.
I would suggest trying installing a clean buster *without* any DE at all, then install
TDE.
At least if the flickering is still happening, we can be sure it is not related to other
DE also installed.
There is a bug open in buster related to flickering (bug 2955 -
https://bugs.trinitydesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2955),
although that seems to be very specific to a particular dialog.
Cheers
Michele
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Michael -
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