On 2022-02-01 17:05:13 Hunter Ellett via tde-users wrote: I may be wrong, but I thought that Konq and Konqueror were two different programs? Leslie --

c. marlow wrote: I would be surprised if someone would be using Konqueror as an internet browser. the KHTML engine is outdated and it would be hard to update or replace it. You can use traditional browser firefox or chrome or whatever. As filemanager it is very useful. Folks are trying to keep it in best shape. BR

On Wednesday 02 February 2022 13.17:46 c. marlow wrote: Hi Chris, What are these things? This is an earnest question (I mean no troll...), as I had the feeling that any file manager I've tried (I must admit I did not give Thunar a very complete test) could always do only less than I could do with Konqueror - so I really am interested to learn :) Thierry

Anno domini 2022 Wed, 2 Feb 07:11:24 -0600 c. marlow scripsit: Aehm, press right mouse button on the folder symbol, select "compress" in popup, select what methode you wanna use and if it should be password pritected (zip)? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

On February 2, 2022 7:11:24 AM CST, "c. marlow" <TDE(a)CWM030.com> wrote: Chris, others have answered but you must have Trinity's Ark installed. Then you can right click to compress.

On Wednesday 02 February 2022 07:43:57 pm J Leslie Turriff wrote: Make sure you have the plugins installed. I don't know what they would be called in your distro. Kate Ex: trinity-konqueror trinity-konq-plugins* trinity-ark trinity-libkonq *plugins for Konqueror, the Trinity file/web/doc browser This package contains a variety of useful plugins for Konqueror, the file manager, web browser and document viewer for TDE. Many of these plugins will appear in Konqueror's Tools menu. Highlights for web browsing include web page translation, web page archiving, auto-refreshing, HTML and CSS structural analysis, a search toolbar, a sidebar news ticker, fast access to common options, bookmarklets, a crash monitor, a microformat availability indicator, a del.icio.us bookmarks sidebar, and integration with the aKregator RSS feed reader. Highlights for directory browsing include directory filters, image gallery creation, archive compression and extraction, quick copy/move, a sidebar media player, a file information metabar/sidebar, a media folder helper, a graphical disk usage viewer and image conversions and transformations.

On Thursday 03 February 2022 01:04:11 am you wrote: wrote: Ok those are browser plugins in your screenshot. Not related to konq's right click menu. Open konq, right click on a directory and take a screen shot of it so I can see what you're looking at. Should like something like this (see attached). Mind you, my right click menu is heavily modified. Kate

On Thursday 03 February 2022 00:19:16 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Just noticed this comment, so my apologies for the late response. I also had the "compress" option disappear from the menu, but then it was restored when I upgraded to Devuan Chimaera (= Debian Bullseye). I wondered where it went, and once I even complained about the "move to" and "copy to" features having also disappeared. But I got no response, so I thought maybe it was just a choice of developers, due to security concerns or instability or whatnot. Now it makes me wonder if there might be some other cause: for example, I tend to use the main repositories early in the development cycle, then gradually move up to PSBs and usually move on to PTBs repos when it gets later in the cycle. (Somewhere I read, concerning TDE, that the PSB and PTB were better as it got near the time for upgrading to the new stable releases.) Thus it occurs to me that maybe this is due to some glitch in that process? I generally just upgrade existing packages, and as for new versions of old packages, I am an habitual packrat, and keep EVERYTHING, just in case I need to reinstall without access to internet. Unless a package has become obsolete, it ought to get installed, regardless, because I generally use dpkg to install from folders of saved packages. When I reinstall by downloading packages, I keep lists of what to download, and in what order (e.g., firewall + deps, text editors +, browsers +, keyrings, etc.); I try hard to keep my system the same, because when it comes to machines, I don't like new experiences. The question is, then, Why would those features disappear, then reappear, if I always follow the same routines in installation, and always install plugins for Konqueror, and so on? Sorry for the in-depth analysis of what might be a minor glitch, or a mistake on my part. However, as my own experience (of losing the features of "compress", "move to" and "copy to" sound similar to Leslie's description, and moreover, were part of the original question that started this part of the thread, maybe it is relevant, after all. Please feel free to trim, or to start a new thread, if appropriate. Bill

On 2022-02-04 01:49:57 deloptes wrote: This is getting more and more strange. Checking on the package contents, I see |~ |● rpm -q trinity-konq-plugins --filesbypkg|grep ark |trinity-konq-plugins /opt/trinity/lib64/trinity/libarkplugin.la |trinity-konq-plugins /opt/trinity/lib64/trinity/libarkplugin.so |trinity-konq-plugins /opt/trinity/share/applnk/.hidden/arkplugin.desktop |trinity-konq-plugins /opt/trinity/share/services/ark_plugin.desktop |@21:07:41,root@pinto rc=0 Leslie --

Anno domini 2022 Sat, 05 Feb 11:43:56 +0100 deloptes scripsit: Here it definitly uses the ark plugin. Test1: Press RMB when konqueror starts $ konqueror & sleep 5; lsof|grep ark kdesktop 2438 nik mem REG 8,4 89864 8520448 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/libarkplugin.so kdesktop 2438 2439 kdesktop nik mem REG 8,4 89864 8520448 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/libarkplugin.so Test 2, this time press RMB on a folder within 5 secs after conqueror is started: $ konqueror & sleep 5; lsof|grep ark konqueror 2151 nik mem REG 8,4 89864 8520448 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/libarkplugin.so kdesktop 2438 nik mem REG 8,4 89864 8520448 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/libarkplugin.so kdesktop 2438 2439 kdesktop nik mem REG 8,4 89864 8520448 /opt/trinity/lib/trinity/libarkplugin.so So libarkplugin.so is dynamicly loaded by konqueror (or its subprocesses). Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

Anno domini 2022 Sat, 05 Feb 14:00:22 +0100 deloptes scripsit: Ok, I'm convinced. I just purged "ark-trinity" and the "compress" submenu in konqueror is gone. I reinstalled it and it's there again. On Devuan "konq-plugins-trinity" recommends "ark-trinity", so no hard dependecy. Is there a good reason for it not be a "depend" ? Nik -- Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also sharing with the NSA, CIA ...

Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: I do not know details to why, but TDE aims to be modular and flexible. For a newbie or an avg user it might be even too much (especially compared to the newer and dumber Gnomes and KDEs approaches) IMO these problems pop up if you do not install tde-trinity, which usually pulls more then you would need, but makes installation complete incl. all these details. I personally prefer the flexibility as the desktop can be dedicated to one purpose and can be easily maintained (updated) BR

J Leslie Turriff wrote: If you look into detail these seem to be debuginfo and debugsource packages, which are correctly not pulled by default

J Leslie Turriff wrote: I am using Debian and here they are optional and are not installed automatically when I install tde-trinity (meta package) that pulls whole trinity desktop. I don't know how YaST works or how you configured it, but it does not make sense to pull those unless you want to debug. I am even not sure if they are build by default or one should change the build options. In Debian the default is without debugging symbols, which usually go into such packages, but it could be a different configuration in your case.

Well, I am back on Debian 11.2 only because I figured out how to do a minimal install. I tried downloading the " Everything-Fedora-netinstall-amd64.iso and I ran the checker to make sure that the iso wasn't corrupted and it just went right on and loaded the installer, but when it got to the first screen to pick your installation language, it just froze.. You couldn't click on anything. So I downloaded Debian 11.2 and when you get to the screen that says pick what DE you want, I unchecked everything but standard tools, went through with the installation and rebooted and then manually edited /etc/apt/sources.list and added TDE's repo's. So far everything is working fine. :) I decided not to install the Kontact flatpak and I am sticking with Claws-Mail since to me, KMAIL in TDE looks ancient. The only thing I liked about TDE's version of KMAIL was the " favorites area" at the top of the screen where I could add folders that I use all the time instead of having to go through the folder tree. I that see most of ya'll on this mail group but maybe Felix and one other use KMAIL. Chris

On 2022-02-03 02:19:16 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: You're quite right; that library is missing. I took another look at the status of the Trinity packages in YaST (OpenSuSE's software tool), particularly at what isn't installed. None of those packages seem pertinent. (See attached.) Leslie --

On February 2, 2022 8:00:33 PM CST, "E. Liddell" <ejlddll(a)warpmail.net> wrote: Yes, my apologies. I forget I always install tdeaddons which brings in Ark and the plugins needed for compression integration in Konqueror. -- ~ Hunter Sent from my Android device with K9 Mail

On Wednesday 02 February 2022 08:15:19 am ajh-valmer wrote: Me and many others here think Konqueror should not go anywhere. I think the only problem with it as a web browser is KHTML, the actual functionality for both web browsing (KHTML being the bottleneck) & file management is really good. Maybe one day one of us can port it over to WebKit (hopefully not Blink or WebEngine, yuck..) -- ~ Hunter

E. Liddell wrote: security holes I'd argue that since it supports a very limited portion of JavaScript and apparently none of the modern Web APIs like WebRTC, WebAssembly etc., the attack surface is actually smaller. The only disadvantages from a security standpoint would be effective lack of eyes and work on the source (the obvious disadvantage being, of course, a browser stuck in time). Looks like the least evil choice to go for TDE. Upstream versions seem to offer decent rendering and boast good privacy, and it can be integrated deeply with TQt/TDE. Bulky, with questionable privacy, dependent on Google's choices but seemingly very secure (sandboxing, process separation). Does not integrate really well with the system (includes its own graphics stack and does not integrate with any toolkit at all). Probably out-of-date with latest Blink, so not a very safe choice. Last I checked there was still no decent sandboxing in Firefox for Linux. Also, there is no working embedding API AFAIK with either Gecko or Goanna. Yes, that about sums it up all.

On Wednesday 02 February 2022 09:53:10 am Mavridis Philippe wrote: Agreed. I just disable Javascript and Java altogether. Perhaps until something can be done this should be the default. I think Webkit is very underrated, it's used by Midori, Badwolf, Qutebrowser, etc. so it seems to be popular for privacy and freedom oriented browsers. Using things like Midori in the past, it can display modern web pages just fine. I don't trust Blink at all just due to the "creep" from it dominating the web browser market with Google in charge. They could create any standard they want at any time and every browser for the sake of compatibility would have to comply. Just QT5 Blink. With current manpower I don't see Konqueror getting a browser revival any time soon, but it's still nice to think about. I only mention it so much because on the first installation of TDE your web browser *is* Konqueror in its current state, with a launcher in the panel and on the desktop. Not a great start. Off-topic but blu, I don't know if I told you I liked Tristian (the polar bear). I never got to make my entry because then and now I've been too busy with the stress of modern academia to learn much outside of school. If we got another mascot, I would be fine with Tristian. :-) -- ~ Hunter

On Wednesday 02 February 2022 18:26:27 Michele Calgaro via tde-users wrote: I've said this before; some agree with me, and some don't, but here goes ... Konqueror is a great file manager, better than any of the other choices out there, in my opinion. But I think it's a very bad idea to use it as *both* a file manager *and* a web browser. That is an idea left over from the good old days, when most people didn't worry so much about having our machines compromised by intruders. If you use it for both file management and as a browser, it opens up a superhighway into your system. If you have ever somehow opened a browser window, and see a list of your home folder instead of a web page (for example), you may get what I mean. It's true, you can sandbox it, or you can block internet access for specific programs, but the best thing is just not to mix those two activities in such a program. Use it for one or the other. As I said, some may disagree, and maybe they do know better. As far as I am concerned, I would like to see a Konqueror stripped of all web browsing capabilities. As a file manager, however, I want development to continue, onward and upward, better and better, because I use it all the time, almost exclusively, as a file manager. Bill

On Wednesday 02 February 2022 09:55:35 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote: Agreed. Kate

On 2022-02-03 02:16:45 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote: Yes, this ought to be a low labour-cost solution compared with replacing the web engine. I like it. Leslie -- Platform: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.11 tde-config: 1.0

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 09:31:39 -0600 Michael <mb_trinity_desktop(a)inet-design.com> wrote: Then how do you install Fedora with NO DE, to where I could install only TDE? I know Q4OS and PCLinuxOS have TDE as the default DE. Thanks, Chris

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 10:23:39 -0600 Michael <mb_trinity_desktop(a)inet-design.com> wrote: This: https://able.bio/KY64/minimal-installation-fedora-linux--73410e6d Thanks, Chris