When I run: sudo apt-get update and then sudo aptitude install tde-trinity to install TDE on my 64-bit stretch system, some of the things I see are sufficiently concerning that I don't want to go ahead and allow the installation without further guidance and confirmation that I'm not about to break something important.
The output is:
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[HN:apt] sudo aptitude install tde-trinity The following NEW packages will be installed: <lots of new packages> but then: The following packages will be REMOVED: chromium-inspector{u} libgsoap5{u} libwebp5{u} libwebpdemux1{u} virtualbox-dkms{u} The following packages will be upgraded: libart-2.0-2 1 packages upgraded, 328 newly installed, 5 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 222 MB/225 MB of archives. After unpacking 593 MB will be used. The following packages have unmet dependencies: desktop-base-trinity : Conflicts: desktop-base but 9.0.2 is installed The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Remove the following packages: 1) desktop-base [9.0.2 (now, stable)]
Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q
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So:
1. Looking at the packages that will be removed, will I still be able to run virtualbox if virtualbox-dkms is removed? [I think that the answer is yes, but I would like some assurance from someone who is more certain than am I.]
2. And then what about desktop-base? The version that is currently installed is from the official debian stable repository, so I don't think that I should be removing it. So what should I do about this conflict?
Doc
On Sunday 24 September 2017 05:20:54 pm D. R. Evans wrote:
When I run: sudo apt-get update and then sudo aptitude install tde-trinity to install TDE on my 64-bit stretch system, some of the things I see are sufficiently concerning that I don't want to go ahead and allow the installation without further guidance and confirmation that I'm not about to break something important.
The output is:
[HN:apt] sudo aptitude install tde-trinity The following NEW packages will be installed:
<lots of new packages> but then: The following packages will be REMOVED: chromium-inspector{u} libgsoap5{u} libwebp5{u} libwebpdemux1{u} virtualbox-dkms{u} The following packages will be upgraded: libart-2.0-2 1 packages upgraded, 328 newly installed, 5 to remove and 1 not upgraded. Need to get 222 MB/225 MB of archives. After unpacking 593 MB will be used. The following packages have unmet dependencies: desktop-base-trinity : Conflicts: desktop-base but 9.0.2 is installed The following actions will resolve these dependencies:
Remove the following packages:
desktop-base [9.0.2 (now, stable)]Accept this solution? [Y/n/q/?] q
So:
- Looking at the packages that will be removed, will I still be able to
run virtualbox if virtualbox-dkms is removed? [I think that the answer is yes, but I would like some assurance from someone who is more certain than am I.]
- And then what about desktop-base? The version that is currently
installed is from the official debian stable repository, so I don't think that I should be removing it. So what should I do about this conflict?
Doc
If you are using Debian, upgrading to Stretch, the following apply.
Virtualbox is no longer in Stretch, if you use Vbox you issues are larger.You can put all the Virtualbox packages on "hold" , see if VB survives the upgrade to Stretch.
I was able to install VB from Testing back when Testing was close to Stable. I put my VB stuff on hold to survive update. You can "try" the Testing packages if you arer fluent in Debian.
You can get Virtualbox from Oracle.
desktop-base-trinity replaces the Debian desktop-base
Greg Madden wrote on 09/24/2017 07:42 PM:
On Sunday 24 September 2017 05:20:54 pm D. R. Evans wrote:
So:
- Looking at the packages that will be removed, will I still be able to
run virtualbox if virtualbox-dkms is removed? [I think that the answer is yes, but I would like some assurance from someone who is more certain than am I.]
- And then what about desktop-base? The version that is currently
installed is from the official debian stable repository, so I don't think that I should be removing it. So what should I do about this conflict?
Doc
If you are using Debian, upgrading to Stretch, the following apply.
Virtualbox is no longer in Stretch, if you use Vbox you issues are larger.You
Yes; I already added the oracle package yesterday, and it appears to be working fine.
I *think* that virtualbox-dkms is used only when vb is being installed, so it should be safe to remove it; but I'm not absolutely certain.
desktop-base-trinity replaces the Debian desktop-base
OK; so I should let aptitude do what it wants to do, which is to remove the debian desktop-base, right?
One more question as a follow-on to this: when TDE is installed, is it still possible to run KDE despite the fact that the debian desktiop-base is no longer in place? (Just in case some program doesn't work on TDE and I have to go back to KDE temporarily.)
Doc
Sunday 24 September 2017 07:55:26 pm D. R. Evans wrote:
Greg Madden wrote on 09/24/2017 07:42 PM:
On Sunday 24 September 2017 05:20:54 pm D. R. Evans wrote:
So:
- Looking at the packages that will be removed, will I still be able to
run virtualbox if virtualbox-dkms is removed? [I think that the answer is yes, but I would like some assurance from someone who is more certain than am I.]
- And then what about desktop-base? The version that is currently
installed is from the official debian stable repository, so I don't think that I should be removing it. So what should I do about this conflict?
Doc
If you are using Debian, upgrading to Stretch, the following apply.
Virtualbox is no longer in Stretch, if you use Vbox you issues are larger.You
Yes; I already added the oracle package yesterday, and it appears to be working fine.
I *think* that virtualbox-dkms is used only when vb is being installed, so it should be safe to remove it; but I'm not absolutely certain.
desktop-base-trinity replaces the Debian desktop-base
OK; so I should let aptitude do what it wants to do, which is to remove the debian desktop-base, right?
One more question as a follow-on to this: when TDE is installed, is it still possible to run KDE despite the fact that the debian desktiop-base is no longer in place? (Just in case some program doesn't work on TDE and I have to go back to KDE temporarily.)
Doc
Only one Desktop base can be installed at a time.
FYI, I run lots of different apps on my TDE, all work.
greg
On Sunday 24 Sep 2017 20:17:51 Greg Madden wrote:
Sunday 24 September 2017 07:55:26 pm D. R. Evans wrote:
Greg Madden wrote on 09/24/2017 07:42 PM:
On Sunday 24 September 2017 05:20:54 pm D. R. Evans wrote:
So:
- Looking at the packages that will be removed, will I still be able
to run virtualbox if virtualbox-dkms is removed? [I think that the answer is yes, but I would like some assurance from someone who is more certain than am I.]
- And then what about desktop-base? The version that is currently
installed is from the official debian stable repository, so I don't think that I should be removing it. So what should I do about this conflict?
Doc
If you are using Debian, upgrading to Stretch, the following apply.
Virtualbox is no longer in Stretch, if you use Vbox you issues are larger.You
Yes; I already added the oracle package yesterday, and it appears to be working fine.
I *think* that virtualbox-dkms is used only when vb is being installed, so it should be safe to remove it; but I'm not absolutely certain.
desktop-base-trinity replaces the Debian desktop-base
OK; so I should let aptitude do what it wants to do, which is to remove the debian desktop-base, right?
One more question as a follow-on to this: when TDE is installed, is it still possible to run KDE despite the fact that the debian desktiop-base is no longer in place? (Just in case some program doesn't work on TDE and I have to go back to KDE temporarily.)
Doc
Only one Desktop base can be installed at a time.
FYI, I run lots of different apps on my TDE, all work.
greg
When I installed Trinity over Debian 8.7 starting on Friday 12 May this year, I couldn't get apt or aptitude to recognize the TDE R14.0.4 repositories as on https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/DebianInstall. So I did the installation manually with dpkg, using the repository web addresses for Jessie given on the page. I first attempted to install the tdebase-trinity meta-package, then manually located and installed all the packages dpkg required me to install before it would set up tdebase-trinity.
I don't recall being asked to uninstall any Debian package, and indeed, I would have been extremely worried if I had been asked to do so.
As I installed the packages, I moved them to a DebianInstalled/ directory, so I can see what I actually installed by looking in there. Doing ls on that directory, it seems I have not installed any desktop-base-"anything", so I must still be using the Debian desktop-base, which would presumably have been installed when I did a fresh install of Debian 8.7 in March this year.
I am very happy with my TDE installation, so my advice to Doc would be to do the same as me, and just install tdebase-trinity and its dependencies.
After I had installed Trinity, I was still able to use KDE4 rather than Trinity by selecting KDE4 in the KDM menu, but I very quickly decided that I preferred Trinity, and I have never been back to KDE4 since perhaps a week after I installed Trinity. I installed TDM a few days after I installed Trinity, and use the TDM login now.
I can run the best KDE4 apps, such as Konqueror-KDE4, in Trinity, and thus get the best of both worlds, by putting the appropriate path for the KDE4 version in the Command field for a new menu item in Menu Editor. To run Konqueror-KDE4 in Trinity, I put the command /usr/bin/konqueror in the Command field.
Chris
Chris Austin wrote on 09/25/2017 10:29 AM:
I don't recall being asked to uninstall any Debian package, and indeed, I would have been extremely worried if I had been asked to do so.
Yep, that's exactly why I was worried too :-) I'm definitely being told to uninstall the debian desktop-base.
After I had installed Trinity, I was still able to use KDE4 rather than Trinity by selecting KDE4 in the KDM menu, but I very quickly decided that I preferred Trinity, and I have never been back to KDE4 since perhaps a week after I installed Trinity. I installed TDM a few days after I installed Trinity, and use the TDM login now.
I'm using sddm because the update to stretch/KDE5 kindly removed kdm.
When I have some time later in the week, when I can do the TDE installation without time pressure, I'll do so. I honestly don't expect to care about KDE5 after the installation is done, but I am still appropriately paranoid :-) Although I can always fall back to i3 :-)
[I have one machine that is still running KDE3, and every time I use that machine the experience is vastly more pleasant than either KDE4 or (in my opinion, unusable) KDE5.]
I can run the best KDE4 apps, such as Konqueror-KDE4, in Trinity, and thus get the best of both worlds, by putting the appropriate path for the KDE4 version in the Command field for a new menu item in Menu Editor. To run Konqueror-KDE4 in Trinity, I put the command /usr/bin/konqueror in the Command field.
Understood. Of course, this assumes that when you press the K button, you actually get a menu ... which is not a given on the KDE[5] I'm running! Sometimes it gets itself into a state where pressing the K button simply changes the K icon (it puts a little bar under it), but doesn't actually pop up a menu. I'll be so glad to go back to a desktop that behaves itself.
Doc
D. R. Evans composed on 2017-09-24 21:55 (UTC+0600):
One more question as a follow-on to this: when TDE is installed, is it still possible to run KDE despite the fact that the debian desktiop-base is no longer in place? (Just in case some program doesn't work on TDE and I have to go back to KDE temporarily.)
KDE apps don't require a Plasma session to use them. I can't remember ever trying to run one in TDE that wouldn't work, though I haven't found reason to try many.
You should not have to "go back" to KDE to run KDE apps, just like you don't need to use a Gnome session to run Mozilla's (GTK) apps.
I got so fed up with plasma 5 that, even though I really didn't have enough time if something went wrong, I installed TDE anyway this morning.
My blood pressure immediately dropped several points.
Quite a lot of configuration to do when I have time and can find instructions on some of the necessary configuration, but at least my desktop now doesn't behave as if it has a mind of its own: things don't disappear on me any more, and behaviour is now consistent.
Thanks for the encouragement, everyone.
Doc
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