16 Jan
2016
16 Jan
'16
5:42 p.m.
Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series. Please,
you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time ago there
were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can change the
address in the sources.list from original ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org. Benefits will be on both sides. Because on
mirror.ppa are packages for most of distributions in the local cache, you'll
have faster downloads. And thanks to this will be less load of line to the
master server.
Cheers
--
Slávek
16 Jan
16 Jan
7:30 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series. Please,
you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time ago
there
were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can change the
address in the sources.list from original ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org. Benefits will be on both sides. Because on
mirror.ppa are packages for most of distributions in the local cache, you'll
have faster downloads. And thanks to this will be less load of line to the
master server.
Very good!
But, remind me: How do I get and set the public key?
Thank you!
Jonesy
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17 Jan
17 Jan
12:43 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Saturday 16 of January 2016 20:30:50 Jonesy wrote:
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Slávek Banko wrote:
GPG key for PPA 'axis' is unchanged.
If you need to install this key, you can use:
apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-key 00A58606
--
Slávek
Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series.
Please, you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time ago
there were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can
change the address in the sources.list from original
ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org.
Benefits will be on both sides. Because on mirror.ppa are packages for
most of distributions in the local cache, you'll have faster downloads.
And thanks to this will be less load of line to the master server.
Very good!
But, remind me: How do I get and set the public key?
Thank you!
Jonesy
1:13 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 of January 2016 01:43:02 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Saturday 16 of January 2016 20:30:50 Jonesy wrote:
sorry, typo:
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-key 00A58606
--
Slávek
On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Slávek Banko wrote:
GPG key for PPA 'axis' is unchanged.
If you need to install this key, you can use:
apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-key
00A58606 Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series.
Please, you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time ago
there were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can
change the address in the sources.list from original
ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org.
Benefits will be on both sides. Because on mirror.ppa are packages for
most of distributions in the local cache, you'll have faster downloads.
And thanks to this will be less load of line to the master server.
Very good!
But, remind me: How do I get and set the public key?
Thank you!
Jonesy 
6:53 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
I still use 3.5.13.2. However, I have not added anything from Trinity repos
in a long time because a Debian developer screwed up apt-get such that
it will remove X and Trinity and a lot else if I try to install
anything at all. So
my solution is to build up the OS as I want it in the beginning and then never
change it again.
My next upgrade will hopefully be the newest/current EXE. But right now
I'm still using two year old OS's.
On 1/16/16, Slávek Banko <slavek.banko(a)axis.cz> wrote:
On Sunday 17 of January 2016 01:43:02 Slávek Banko
wrote:
On Saturday 16 of January 2016 20:30:50 Jonesy
wrote:
sorry, typo:
apt-key adv --keyserver keyserver.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net --recv-key
00A58606
--
Slávek
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On Sat, 16 Jan 2016, Slávek Banko wrote:
GPG key for PPA 'axis' is unchanged.
If you need to install this key, you can use:
apt-key adv --keyserver keyring.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net
--recv-key
00A58606 Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series.
Please, you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time
ago
there were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can
change the address in the sources.list from original
ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org.
Benefits will be on both sides. Because on mirror.ppa are packages
for
most of distributions in the local cache, you'll have faster
downloads.
And thanks to this will be less load of line to the master server.
Very good!
But, remind me: How do I get and set the public key?
Thank you!
Jonesy 
7:15 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 January 2016 06:53:31 Chris Graham wrote:
I still use 3.5.13.2. However, I have not added
anything from Trinity repos
in a long time because a Debian developer screwed up apt-get such that
it will remove X and Trinity and a lot else if I try to install
anything at all.
??? Two years ago? In Sid? I update/full-upgrade every day or two. My
system remains intact.
Lisi
8:30 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 January 2016 08.15:36 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 17 January 2016 06:53:31 Chris Graham
wrote:
I don't know for sid, but I had a similar problem with Wheezy (at the time
stable) because I had had to add repros from unstable for some libraries.
For a while I no more updated because that would remove Trinity. Removing
these unstable repositories I could again update without problem.
So he may have a mix of version repositories that create the problem.
Thierry
I still use 3.5.13.2. However, I have not added
anything from Trinity
repos in a long time because a Debian developer screwed up apt-get such
that it will remove X and Trinity and a lot else if I try to install
anything at all.
??? Two years ago? In Sid? I update/full-upgrade every day or two. My
system remains intact.
Lisi
9:14 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
Wheezy and Jessie/testing 7.2.. Have same prob with Mint 15 and
verious 2 year old Ubuntus.
It's not the fault of Trinity devs at all that I can tell. Yes, I do mess
with repos and possibly make mistakes that way.
It's a "feature" of later Wheezy versions of apt-get. Somebody decided
that Debian needed to be "cleaned up" every time you install something,
and based on researching this on Debian messageboards, the majority
insist on believing this is a good idea. Tough luck for me I guess.
So, for example, if I try to upgrade my totally obsolete Iceweasel or Firefox,
apt-get will insist on removing Trinity, Xorg and countless other vitally
important items. In fact, I can't install or upgrade anything now.
On 1/17/16, Thierry de Coulon <tcoulon(a)decoulon.ch> wrote:
On Sunday 17 January 2016 08.15:36 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Sunday 17 January 2016 06:53:31 Chris Graham
wrote:
I don't know for sid, but I had a similar problem with Wheezy (at the time
stable) because I had had to add repros from unstable for some libraries.
For a while I no more updated because that would remove Trinity. Removing
these unstable repositories I could again update without problem.
So he may have a mix of version repositories that create the problem.
Thierry
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I still use 3.5.13.2. However, I have not added
anything from Trinity
repos in a long time because a Debian developer screwed up apt-get such
that it will remove X and Trinity and a lot else if I try to install
anything at all.
??? Two years ago? In Sid? I update/full-upgrade every day or two. My
system remains intact.
Lisi 
9:41 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sun, 17 Jan 2016 04:14:14 -0500
Chris Graham <chrisdgraham22(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Wheezy and Jessie/testing 7.2.. Have same prob with
Mint 15 and
verious 2 year old Ubuntus.
It's not the fault of Trinity devs at all that I can tell. Yes, I do mess
with repos and possibly make mistakes that way.
It's a "feature" of later Wheezy versions of apt-get. Somebody decided
that Debian needed to be "cleaned up" every time you install something,
and based on researching this on Debian messageboards, the majority
insist on believing this is a good idea. Tough luck for me I guess.
So, for example, if I try to upgrade my totally obsolete Iceweasel or
Firefox, apt-get will insist on removing Trinity, Xorg and countless
other vitally important items. In fact, I can't install or upgrade
anything now.
If you mix repositories, never use apt-get. run aptitude and
look what exactly causes this, because its most likely some manually
installed package from 3-rd party/unstable that has higher priority in
apt-get conflict resolution logic than auto installed packages (including
trinity and Xorg). Look for a broken pacakges in aptitude and find a root
source for conflict, than uninstall/hold it.
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Nick Koretsky (nick.koretsky(a)gmail.com)
10:21 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 of January 2016 10:14:14 Chris Graham wrote:
Wheezy and Jessie/testing 7.2.. Have same prob with
Mint 15 and
verious 2 year old Ubuntus.
It's not the fault of Trinity devs at all that I can tell. Yes, I do mess
with repos and possibly make mistakes that way.
It's a "feature" of later Wheezy versions of apt-get. Somebody decided
that Debian needed to be "cleaned up" every time you install something,
and based on researching this on Debian messageboards, the majority
insist on believing this is a good idea. Tough luck for me I guess.
So, for example, if I try to upgrade my totally obsolete Iceweasel or
Firefox, apt-get will insist on removing Trinity, Xorg and countless other
vitally important items. In fact, I can't install or upgrade anything now.
Package kdesktop na 3.5.13.2 has a strict dependency on a specific version of
binutils. When mixing distribution versions can easily occur attempt to
upgrade binutils and then the problem is obvious.
--
Slávek
11:02 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 January 2016 10:21:38 Slávek Banko wrote:
On Sunday 17 of January 2016 10:14:14 Chris Graham
wrote:
So Chris could probably just pin binutils. It seems a pity to slag off Debian
developers and apt-get because he likes to run a mixed system that doesn't
felicitously mix. I always use aptitude anyway, except if I am explicitly
told not for an upgrade. It is so nice and chatty!
Lisi
Wheezy and Jessie/testing 7.2.. Have same prob
with Mint 15 and
verious 2 year old Ubuntus.
It's not the fault of Trinity devs at all that I can tell. Yes, I do mess
with repos and possibly make mistakes that way.
It's a "feature" of later Wheezy versions of apt-get. Somebody decided
that Debian needed to be "cleaned up" every time you install something,
and based on researching this on Debian messageboards, the majority
insist on believing this is a good idea. Tough luck for me I guess.
So, for example, if I try to upgrade my totally obsolete Iceweasel or
Firefox, apt-get will insist on removing Trinity, Xorg and countless
other vitally important items. In fact, I can't install or upgrade
anything now.
Package kdesktop na 3.5.13.2 has a strict dependency on a specific version
of binutils. When mixing distribution versions can easily occur attempt to
upgrade binutils and then the problem is obvious. 
5 Feb
5 Feb
12:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 January 2016, Chris Graham wrote:
Wheezy and Jessie/testing 7.2.. . if I try to upgrade
my totally obsolete
Iceweasel or Firefox, apt-get will insist on removing Trinity, Xorg and
countless other vitally important items. In fact, I can't install or upgrade
anything now.
You might be running into systemd changes. These are large enough that I have
not tried to do this kind of mixing with Wheezy. Have you tried looking at
backports for new versions of those programs?
https://wiki.debian.org/Backports
http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
I can report that Wheezy, as it is, works wonderfully with the TDE 3.5 branch.
The only thing I've added to my production laptop is TDE and E16, documented
here,
http://50.80.140.55/photo_album/chron/desktop/trinity16.html
I have been avoiding Jessie and have not yet tried with Stretch yet.
http://50.80.140.55/photo_album/chron/desktop/2015_09_29-stretch_alpha3_x60/
12:52 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Friday 05 February 2016 00:34:04 Will Hill wrote:
I can report that Wheezy, as it is, works wonderfully
with the TDE 3.5
branch.
Agreed. And also with the R14 branch. (3 computers on 3.5.13.2, 2 on R14.)
(1 14+Jessie. I persevere.) (Not all mine - some I just administer.)
Lisi
7:34 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
Am Freitag, 5. Februar 2016 schrieb Will Hill:
On Sunday 17 January 2016, Chris Graham wrote:
Hi!
Or you might want to jump ships and upgrade to devuan - which by the way works flawless
with these repositories added:
deb http://packages.devuan.org/merged jessie main contrib non-free
deb http://exegnulinux.net/nosystemd jessie main
deb http://angband.pl/debian/ nosystemd main
even CUPS without systemd ... and no chance to trash your (U)EFI hardware (
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=UEFI-rm-root-direct… ) :-)
Nik
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Wheezy and Jessie/testing 7.2.. . if I try to
upgrade my totally obsolete
Iceweasel or Firefox, apt-get will insist on removing Trinity, Xorg and
countless other vitally important items. In fact, I can't install or upgrade
anything now.
You might be running into systemd changes. These are large enough that I have
not tried to do this kind of mixing with Wheezy. Have you tried looking at
backports for new versions of those programs?
https://wiki.debian.org/Backports
http://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
I can report that Wheezy, as it is, works wonderfully with the TDE 3.5 branch.
The only thing I've added to my production laptop is TDE and E16, documented
here,
http://50.80.140.55/photo_album/chron/desktop/trinity16.html
I have been avoiding Jessie and have not yet tried with Stretch yet.
http://50.80.140.55/photo_album/chron/desktop/2015_09_29-stretch_alpha3_x60/
16 Jan
16 Jan
11:02 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Saturday 16 January 2016 17:42:21 Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series. Please,
you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time ago
there were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can
change the address in the sources.list from original
ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org.
Benefits will be on both sides. Because on mirror.ppa are packages for most
of distributions in the local cache, you'll have faster downloads. And
thanks to this will be less load of line to the master server.
Cheers
I had understood that we should change to the official 3.5.13.2 now that
development on 13.2 has stopped. Is that wrong? Should I change to
mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org?
Lisi
17 Jan
17 Jan
1:09 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Who are using 3.5.13.x series?
On Sunday 17 of January 2016 00:02:07 Lisi Reisz wrote:
On Saturday 16 January 2016 17:42:21 Slávek Banko
wrote:
Very good question :)
I start from the back: mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org is useful in any case -
for official R14, official 3.5.13.x as well as preliminary 3.5.13.x == my
older PPA 'axis'.
And now back to the beginning of the question: Since not escape my attention
that many users still use 3.5.13.x series, with regard to security patches
and several other useful patches, I decided to prepare one more version of
the series 3.5.13.x! At this moment there is no schedule - you can assume
that it will take several months. However, several updates are already
available. And precisely for this purpose is used again PPA 'axis'.
Incidentally, detailed changelog is continuously updated in the wiki:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_3.5.13.3
The fact remains restrictions supported versions of the distributions.
Distributions that do not include HAL, are no longer supported. And in any
case, preparation 3.5.13.3 has a lower priority than the preparation R14.0.3.
By the way, the detailed changelog for upcoming R14.0.3 is also continuously
updated on the wiki:
https://wiki.trinitydesktop.org/Changelog_For_R14.0.3
Cheers
--
Slávek
Hi to all,
I know that there are still many users who use TDE 3.5.13.x series.
Please, you use official 3.5.13.2 or my older PPA 'axis'?
For those who use PPA 'axis': You've probably noticed that some time ago
there were several updates. I would therefore ask you whether you can
change the address in the sources.list from original
ppa.quickbuild.pearsoncomputing.net to mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org.
Benefits will be on both sides. Because on mirror.ppa are packages for
most of distributions in the local cache, you'll have faster downloads.
And thanks to this will be less load of line to the master server.
Cheers
I had understood that we should change to the official 3.5.13.2 now that
development on 13.2 has stopped. Is that wrong? Should I change to
mirror.ppa.trinitydesktop.org?
Lisi
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