On Monday 13 March 2023 05:21:01 pm dep via tde-users wrote:
Nope. Gotta be Debian. Gotta land a taildragger sometime.
Hi dep,
Go you! I use MX/antiX solely because of the ease of use.
Specifically for their “Package Installer.” It makes installing most anything a one click operation. Saving hours of research to correctly install something like a full LAMP stack or Virtuabox makes me happy. But at the end of the day it’s just a bunch of scripts, that are portable to any Debian based system.
I’m not sure if you’ll want or need them, but I’m attaching the tar archive of the MX set of scripts for any that might find them useful. While most of them are easy enough to figure out, some (like the ***vpn’s) are fairly complex, but reading several to get the context should be good enough for most on this list to be able to deconstruct them into commands to run as root.
Note: After modifying the location where the TDE sources.list is to fit your distribution, the ‘tde.pm’ file included will install TDE on any Debian based system.
Best All, Michael
said Michael via tde-users:
| I’m not sure if you’ll want or need them, but I’m attaching the tar | archive of the MX set of scripts for any that might find them useful. | While most of them are easy enough to figure out, some (like the | ***vpn’s) are fairly complex, but reading several to get the context | should be good enough for most on this list to be able to deconstruct | them into commands to run as root.
Many thanks indeed! -- dep
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On Monday 13 March 2023 18:34:26 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Note: After modifying the location where the TDE sources.list is to fit your distribution, the ‘tde.pm’ file included will install TDE on any Debian based system.
Best All, Michael
Sounds good, but it's not clear to me where to put these scripts so that they will be read. I would guess that you mean on my machine, or on a removable device that can be read during installation?
Also, does this mean that I can skip that annoying middle part where I must use another desktop besides TDE (e.g., XFCE or MATE or KDE) in order to get TDE packages installed. It would be nice never to have anything but my Devuan GNU/Linux free/libre OS installed, with TDE on top of that, and never to pollute my system with that other crap.
Felix has a method for installing by command-line (which he has kindly explained for us in some long-ago post), and I would give that a try, if only I could have a little more living space, and thus also more machines, so that I don't get temporarily cut off if I mess up. With only one machine here, I hesitate to try something like that, as it almost always means that I get stranded without a working computer for a few days, because I almost always make some mistake. (This has happened before....)
A script to install TDE on any Debian-based system would indeed be a welcome tool. Most of the other stuff I either don't need, or could never imagine using (such as the Uighur language packs for LibreOffice, or the Basque version of Firefox), but I suppose they are useful to somebody.
Bill
said William Morder via tde-users:
| Also, does this mean that I can skip that annoying middle part where I | must use another desktop besides TDE (e.g., XFCE or MATE or KDE) in | order to get TDE packages installed. It would be nice never to have | anything but my Devuan GNU/Linux free/libre OS installed, with TDE on | top of that, and never to pollute my system with that other crap.
Can't you do that pretty much with mc? I'd suppose it weould be pretty easy -- assuming all the Debians and Debian dilutions use apt -- to add the TDE repositories by using the mc editor -- F4 -- to place them, then do update / apt install tde. no? -- dep
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On Monday 13 March 2023 20:07:55 dep via tde-users wrote:
said William Morder via tde-users: | Also, does this mean that I can skip that annoying middle part where I | must use another desktop besides TDE (e.g., XFCE or MATE or KDE) in | order to get TDE packages installed. It would be nice never to have | anything but my Devuan GNU/Linux free/libre OS installed, with TDE on | top of that, and never to pollute my system with that other crap.
Can't you do that pretty much with mc? I'd suppose it weould be pretty easy -- assuming all the Debians and Debian dilutions use apt -- to add the TDE repositories by using the mc editor -- F4 -- to place them, then do update / apt install tde. no? -- dep
Maybe that's what I have been missing. I am about to reinstall my system to get rid of a minor nuisances, so it would be a good time to try it.
The main thing is, I have my own sources.list which replaces the default Debian/Devuan sources.list, and my list includes TDE repositories. So if there is a way to get my own sources.list recognized during the process, that would save me at least an hour of time when doing a system reinstallation.
Not sure if we are talking about quite the same thing, so just to be clear: I am installing Devuan using an image on a flash drive. If there is a way to get my sources.list recognized during installation (or better yet, to write my own sources.list over the default, so that the TDE repositories are available during installation of a new system), for myself that would be like discovering fire or inventing stone tools.
Bill
said William Morder via tde-users:
| Maybe that's what I have been missing. I am about to reinstall my system | to get rid of a minor nuisances, so it would be a good time to try it. | | The main thing is, I have my own sources.list which replaces the default | Debian/Devuan sources.list, and my list includes TDE repositories. So if | there is a way to get my own sources.list recognized during the process, | that would save me at least an hour of time when doing a system | reinstallation. | | Not sure if we are talking about quite the same thing, so just to be | clear: I am installing Devuan using an image on a flash drive. If there | is a way to get my sources.list recognized during installation (or | better yet, to write my own sources.list over the default, so that the | TDE repositories are available during installation of a new system), for | myself that would be like discovering fire or inventing stone tools.
How about installing no desktop and when you boot to a command prompt copying your sources.list from wherever you safely kept it to /etc/apt/, then doing apt update, ant upgrade, apt install trinity (or whatever the TDE meta package is). -- dep
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William Morder composed on 2023-03-13 19:56 (UTC-0700):
Felix has a method for installing by command-line (which he has kindly explained for us in some long-ago post), and I would give that a try,
A script to install TDE on any Debian-based system would indeed be a welcome tool.
It's too simple to need a script. Whatever installation media you choose to boot, simply append to the installer's linu line at boot time
tasks=standard base-installer/install-recommends=false
When your base installation is finished, boot to shell prompt and follow the trivial instructions on the Wiki.
Those two cmdline strings work for *buntu as well, and likely any derivative that uses the debian installer.
For those adverse to upgrades, I haven't done a fresh installation of any variety of debian in probably about 5 years. I have too many installations to count. Upgrading works. Same goes for Fedora, Mageia & openSUSE. I get lots of upgrade practice, using alphas & betas of all as they become available, including Debian Testing continuously.
On Monday 13 March 2023 09:56:57 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Monday 13 March 2023 18:34:26 Michael via tde-users wrote:
Note: After modifying the location where the TDE sources.list is to fit your distribution, the ‘tde.pm’ file included will install TDE on any Debian based system.
Best All, Michael
Sounds good, but it's not clear to me where to put these scripts so that they will be read. I would guess that you mean on my machine, or on a removable device that can be read during installation?
You don't.
These scripts are the items used by MX's package installer. You'll need to open them and extract the relevent pieces to use on a command line (or use to create your own shell script.)
Just open a few and you'll see how they're structured.
Best, Michael
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