I'm setting up TDE-based Debian on a new machine and I've run into a problem I have not experienced on any other of my machines with similar configurations: KMix can't control audio volume. More specifically, I have two audio outputs: an HDMI one (via nVidia card with proprietary drivers) and a front panel audio jack. Sound works correctly on both outputs and I can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
1. KMix master slider that appears after clicking on the tray icon does absolutely nothing. 2. When I open the mixer window in KMix it recognizes PulseAudio as an audio device. There is just one volume slider and it does nothing. 3. Another recognized audio device is HD-Audio Generic. This has a bunch of output sliders and the sliders work correctly (i.e. they change the volume) when the sound is directed to headphones, but not when it's directed to HDMI (output change done via pavucontrol). 4. The final audio device recognized by KMix is HDA Nvidia. This only has seven toggles labales IEC958. First toggle mutes/unmutes the sound, the remaining ones don't seem to be doing anything.
I'm puzzled. This is the first time I see KMix master slider not working at all, even though I have pulseaudio set up on all my other machines with TDE. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Janek
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Anno domini 2020 Tue, 21 Jul 18:56:24 +0100 Janek Stolarek scripsit:
I'm setting up TDE-based Debian on a new machine and I've run into a problem I have not experienced on any other of my machines with similar configurations: KMix can't control audio volume. More specifically, I have two audio outputs: an HDMI one (via nVidia card with proprietary drivers) and a front panel audio jack. Sound works correctly on both outputs and I can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
- KMix master slider that appears after clicking on the tray icon does absolutely nothing.
- When I open the mixer window in KMix it recognizes PulseAudio as an audio device. There is just
one volume slider and it does nothing. 3. Another recognized audio device is HD-Audio Generic. This has a bunch of output sliders and the sliders work correctly (i.e. they change the volume) when the sound is directed to headphones, but not when it's directed to HDMI (output change done via pavucontrol). 4. The final audio device recognized by KMix is HDA Nvidia. This only has seven toggles labales IEC958. First toggle mutes/unmutes the sound, the remaining ones don't seem to be doing anything.
I'm puzzled. This is the first time I see KMix master slider not working at all, even though I have pulseaudio set up on all my other machines with TDE. Any thoughts or suggestions?
I have remove pulseaudio due to strange things happening.
Nik
Janek
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I have remove pulseaudio due to strange things happening.
I tested this out of curiosity - this results in no sound on the system whatsoever.
Janek
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21.07.20 20:56, Janek Stolarek wrote:
I'm setting up TDE-based Debian on a new machine and I've run into a problem I have not experienced on any other of my machines with similar configurations: KMix can't control audio volume. More specifically, I have two audio outputs: an HDMI one (via nVidia card with proprietary drivers) and a front panel audio jack. Sound works correctly on both outputs and I can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
http://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=2782
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Thanks Roman. Reading the patch description I am not 100% sure whether this patch will fix my problem or not. Any chances this patch will show up in PSB?
Another thing I notcied is that if I launch alsamixer then: - default card is labeled as PulseAudio and the volume slider works correctly (unlike in KMix) - I can switch to HD-Audio Generic card and all the sliders work as expected - If I switch to HDA Nvidia card then all the switch are labeled as SPDIF switches, which explains why they don't do anything - I'm not using SPDIF.
Janek
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Roman Savochenko wrote:
can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
Roman, have you tested the recent work by Michele, because in the bug 2782 you were talking about proper interaction with pulse when cards appear and disappear.
I was using the patch for 2y and now using the one Michele merged, but still it is causing problems. I am playing now with the phone connected over bluetooth as audio source and HFP AG and sometimes kmix gets confused and goes to 100%, sometimes it is working fine.
So my question is if you have tested the patch applied by Michele recently?
regards
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22.07.20 21:33, deloptes wrote:
Roman Savochenko wrote:
can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
have you tested the recent work by Michele, because in the bug 2782 you were talking about proper interaction with pulse when cards appear and disappear.
Why I must?
I have my original patches successfully working from 2017-06!
Try and test my LiveDisks with all these patches, including the last mixers dynamization patch: http://ftp.oscada.org/OpenSCADA/Work/Live/
Regards, Roman
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Roman Savochenko wrote:
Try and test my LiveDisks with all these patches, including the last mixers dynamization patch: http://ftp.oscada.org/OpenSCADA/Work/Live/
Hi, I doubt it will help me, because the app I need and is troublesome is not there, but I may try mixer dynamization patch.
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Roman Savochenko wrote:
22.07.20 21:33, deloptes wrote:
Roman Savochenko wrote:
can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
have you tested the recent work by Michele, because in the bug 2782 you were talking about proper interaction with pulse when cards appear and disappear.
Why I must?
I have my original patches successfully working from 2017-06!
Try and test my LiveDisks with all these patches, including the last mixers dynamization patch: http://ftp.oscada.org/OpenSCADA/Work/Live/
Regards, Roman
Forgot to mention that it would be good to have it in Gitea to probably easily compile it.
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Roman Savochenko wrote:
22.07.20 21:33, deloptes wrote:
Roman Savochenko wrote:
can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
have you tested the recent work by Michele, because in the bug 2782 you were talking about proper interaction with pulse when cards appear and disappear.
Why I must?
I have my original patches successfully working from 2017-06!
Try and test my LiveDisks with all these patches, including the last mixers dynamization patch: http://ftp.oscada.org/OpenSCADA/Work/Live/
Regards, Roman
Can this patch be applied on top of the current master?
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30.07.20 20:16, deloptes wrote:
22.07.20 21:33, deloptes wrote:
Roman Savochenko wrote:
can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
have you tested the recent work by Michele, because in the bug 2782 you were talking about proper interaction with pulse when cards appear and disappear.
Why I must?
I have my original patches successfully working from 2017-06!
Try and test my LiveDisks with all these patches, including the last mixers dynamization patch: http://ftp.oscada.org/OpenSCADA/Work/Live/
Can this patch be applied on top of the current master?
I do not know that and will not do that before other my patches will be merged, like to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/issues/11
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Roman Savochenko wrote:
I do not know that and will not do that before other my patches will be merged, like to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/issues/11
OK, I'll create a PR, I was too lazy looking into what Michele did, what you did and what comes out at the end.
I applied it on top of current master (with some manual porting) and it compiles ... I even use it at the moment, but don't know how or what to test. In the PR we may have a look, cause honestly I do not want to understand what Michele did with your other patches and what is doing this one, but I want to have better working kmix and this is what we all have in common.
Regarding your other issues/11 it is only 6 months old :D And it is not up to me ... but this VNC and RDP need some work ... I luckily do not have to use it very often :) and any way it is not up to me to decide, but from own experience 6months is not much waiting.
regards
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On 2020/08/01 12:22 AM, deloptes wrote:
Roman Savochenko wrote:
I do not know that and will not do that before other my patches will be merged, like to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/issues/11
OK, I'll create a PR, I was too lazy looking into what Michele did, what you did and what comes out at the end.
@Emanoil, there is no need for a PR. As mentioned I will look at it very soon.
Regarding your other issues/11 it is only 6 months old :D
@All The point is we developers are all busy and we do the best we can to maintain and improve TDE in our free time. Of course we are few, so things sometimes have to wait, unfortunately. Negativity about why a specific patch has not been merged yet or why it will not be merged "as is" is no use :-) Also following the team standards and best practices (like creating a PR on top of the current development or r14.0 branch on TGW) will likely make the work of the reviewers easier and quicker.
Every little helps, so everyone who cares about TDE should try to do their best if they wish to contribute. Reading some negative comments on bugszilla, ML or TGW about why some things have not been done really doesn't help.
Cheers Michele
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Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
@Emanoil, there is no need for a PR. As mentioned I will look at it very soon.
I just read your mail 30sec ago :) I'll keep the horses.
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31.07.20 18:35, Michele Calgaro via trinity-users wrote:
Regarding your other issues/11 it is only 6 months old :D
@All The point is we developers are all busy and we do the best we can to maintain and improve TDE in our free time. Of course we are few, so things sometimes have to wait, unfortunately.
And what I do also for myself, whenever I have own big opensource project, so I do that in high quality since I use and prepare user solutions about that.
For merging the patches rapidly without waiting in such sort!
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31.07.20 18:22, deloptes wrote:
I do not know that and will not do that before other my patches will be merged, like to https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/TDE/tdenetwork/issues/11
OK, I'll create a PR, I was too lazy looking into what Michele did, what you did and what comes out at the end.
So lazy for just reading the patch comments, downloading the ready Live Disks and starting their on the hardware, VirtualBox or so on. Where you can also install anything additional whether in the LiveDisk directly or on the complete installation, deployed from the LiveDisk. :)
I applied it on top of current master (with some manual porting) and it compiles ... I even use it at the moment, but don't know how or what to test.
I have tested these all, if you will read comments of this bug at least and you need only use it, as all my patches are well and wide range tested and used both myself and in my Linux Automation platform http://oscada.org/wiki/Special:MyLanguage/Sub-projects/Automation_Linux_distributive!
In the PR we may have a look, cause honestly I do not want to understand what Michele did with your other patches and what is doing this one, but I want to have better working kmix and this is what we all have in common.
And what I did at last!
Regarding your other issues/11 it is only 6 months old :D And it is not up to me ... but this VNC and RDP need some work ... I luckily do not have to use it very often :) and any way it is not up to me to decide, but from own experience 6months is not much waiting.
So, the TDE community does not trust the high qualified developers, who are committing to TDE from TDE 3.5.13 on ALTLinux (2013 year), who saved many patches from TDE/KDE 3.5.12 on ALTLinux, who are well and wide range tested their patches (using that) and provide very easy testing way on LiveDisks!
Whether did I all counted? :)
Regards, Roman
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Roman Savochenko wrote:
So, the TDE community does not trust the high qualified developers, who are committing to TDE from TDE 3.5.13 on ALTLinux (2013 year), who saved many patches from TDE/KDE 3.5.12 on ALTLinux, who are well and wide range tested their patches (using that) and provide very easy testing way on LiveDisks!
It is not like this. As Michele explained, we are all busy people. I respect the work you do for yourself and for others, but it does not fit my needs. It simply does not have what I need and I also do not have time to download and test anything for the sake of doing it. I am sorry. This is why I agree with Michele, that it is best to work on Gitea, where the pieces fit together.
Whether did I all counted? :)
A little bit more of cooperation :)
I do not consider myself as qualified developer, but I have a use case since 2005 when I was using a Palm III and later V and it was easy to sync by pressing a button on the docking station. After the Palms broke and the mobile phones took over I started having issues and it was not possible to sync. Especially contacts who were in Cyrillic got broken. I did not have the time to deal with it until 2010-2011 when I started looking at the code, cleaning up, fixing things. With the time passing all the issues were solved on the side of syncing. And this did not include only TDE. Because Nokia, I used 5530 and N9 later, stopped making phone. The syncml was dropped by Google & Co and everybody went crazy with those clouds, where you don't know what is happening with your data. IMO the easiest and safest way for syncing PIM is via BT. But may be I am the only one on this planet doing this now :) So it took me couple of years to go through the issues in KDE/TDE and then to revive the buteo-syncml code, to get familiar with Sailfish, with SDK with Qt5, with dbus, bluetooth and SyncML. Especially the transition from blue4 to bluez5 was devastating. All the code had to be rewritten. On top of this dbus had to be used. This opened the topic with debusxml2qt3. It took us may be 3 years to fix only that part. Now I'm trying to get this Bluetooth manager into TDE officially and it will complete the whole set on TDE side. I also have to take care of the buteo-syncml & syncml plugin for Sailfish. I also have to take care of the TDE sync plugins in SyncEvolution. And this is all done for free and for my own benefit of course, because I do not want to recompile tones of code and spent time with each and every upgrade or maintain my own branch or version of TDE.
Why I am telling you the story? Because if you cooperate, at the end things get done. If you maintain own branch of TDE or KDE3.5, I do not understand what are your expectations, but it is not my business as well. I think everybody could benefit of cooperation, but also everybody is free to do what he/she believes is the best to do.
Perhaps you talk to Michele and Slavek and make a plan that suits your and their vision of the future. Of course if you do not try or do not agree, and don't make compromise here and there, it will not work. As Michele said, we are all busy with work, family and whatever. Please, do understand this and be just a bit more cooperative.
BTW I asked Michele to look into your kmix and kmilo patches, which I've been using for couple of years already and Michele was so nice to rework them and we got the improvements in TDE suggested by you. You could have been doing this as well in cooperation with Michele and thus saving his time.
PS: 1. this is my personal opinion 2. I was going to send this only to you and Michele, but I do not know how to do it
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On 2020/07/22 02:56 AM, Janek Stolarek wrote:
I'm setting up TDE-based Debian on a new machine and I've run into a problem I have not experienced on any other of my machines with similar configurations: KMix can't control audio volume. More specifically, I have two audio outputs: an HDMI one (via nVidia card with proprietary drivers) and a front panel audio jack. Sound works correctly on both outputs and I can control it with pavucontrol (PulseAudio sound mixer). However:
- KMix master slider that appears after clicking on the tray icon does absolutely nothing. 2. When I open the
mixer window in KMix it recognizes PulseAudio as an audio device. There is just one volume slider and it does nothing. 3. Another recognized audio device is HD-Audio Generic. This has a bunch of output sliders and the sliders work correctly (i.e. they change the volume) when the sound is directed to headphones, but not when it's directed to HDMI (output change done via pavucontrol). 4. The final audio device recognized by KMix is HDA Nvidia. This only has seven toggles labales IEC958. First toggle mutes/unmutes the sound, the remaining ones don't seem to be doing anything.
I'm puzzled. This is the first time I see KMix master slider not working at all, even though I have pulseaudio set up on all my other machines with TDE. Any thoughts or suggestions?
Janek
Hi Janek, first of all what version of TDE are you using? R14.0.8 official? R14.0.9 PSB? R14.1.0 PTB? There were various issues in KMix up to R14.0.8 and what you described is not so unfamiliar to me. R14.0.9 will have several fixes for that and since you are using Debian, PSB will have those fixes already available. R14.1.0 will have further fixes, again PTB makes them already available.
Cheers Michele
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first of all what version of TDE are you using?
I'm on R14.0.9 PSB.
There were various issues in KMix up to R14.0.8 and what you described is not so unfamiliar to me.
Yes, I reported at least one bug related to KMix. Thanks to the fixes that were pushed to R14.0.9 a few weeks ago all the PulseAudio-KMix interaction issues on my laptop have been resolved. Now I'm configuring a new desktop PC and have run into problems I described in my previous email. I have some ideas for debugging and a potential workaround, but I need to find the time to see whether any of my ideas actually work. I think my biggest concern right now is that if I uninstall PulseAudio I don't get any sound at all (e.g. Amarok complains no output was detected, as if ALSA was not available) - this is weird and something I have not run into in the past.
Janek
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On 2020/07/22 10:09 PM, Janek Stolarek wrote:
first of all what version of TDE are you using?
I'm on R14.0.9 PSB.
There were various issues in KMix up to R14.0.8 and what you described is not so unfamiliar to me.
Yes, I reported at least one bug related to KMix. Thanks to the fixes that were pushed to R14.0.9 a few weeks ago all the PulseAudio-KMix interaction issues on my laptop have been resolved. Now I'm configuring a new desktop PC and have run into problems I described in my previous email. I have some ideas for debugging and a potential workaround, but I need to find the time to see whether any of my ideas actually work. I think my biggest concern right now is that if I uninstall PulseAudio I don't get any sound at all (e.g. Amarok complains no output was detected, as if ALSA was not available) - this is weird and something I have not run into in the past.
Janek
Hi Janek, perhaps related to bug 3031? https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3031 Please try the workaround proposed in comment 3, just for info. https://bugs.pearsoncomputing.net/show_bug.cgi?id=3031#c3
If you find a way to fix your porblem, please let us know. We will see if we can add to the source code.
Cheers Michele
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Please try the workaround proposed in comment 3, just for info.
The workaround won't work for me since I don't even have that file. But I'll keep that in mind when I actually sit down to debugging this - maybe deleting other files in that directory will have an effect?
Janek
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As a follow-up, I summarized all the KMix bugs I've run into + my setup and some debugging attempts here:
https://gist.github.com/jstolarek/9541d35cded45e593b41ed48aaadc521
That should probably end up somewhere on the bugtracker but I went for easy to read markdown formatting.
I wonder whether it would be possible to back-port KMix fixes from testing builds to PSB?
Janek
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