Is $SUBJECT what making a coaster looks like?
CPU is Core2duo E7600 3.06GHz.
Source: DVD made from standalone DVDR with TV tuner on DVD-R finalized on PATA /dev/sr0
Destination: blank Verbatim DVD-R (CMC MAG, AM3) on SATA /dev/sr1
Other than selecing source and destination, and deselecting create/delete image (aka on-the-fly), I used only defaults, resulting in (auto) writing speed 22713KB/s (16.49x) in the upper pane. Target media is one of last dozen or so from spool of 100 several years old that I remember no previous trouble writing to.
After more than 10 minutes since last screen paint I moved the focused copy window off its parent window, and only the focused window painted. After more waiting, I switched to a tty and found the following:
$ df / Filesystem 1K-blocks Used Available Use% Mounted on /dev/sda17 4843161 4429321 163952 97% / $ ls -lGg /var/tmp/kdecache-loggedusername/ total 128420 drwx------ 2 1024 Oct 21 21:51 background drwx------ 2 1024 Aug 8 2013 favicons -rw-rw-r-- 1 10547304 Oct 21 21:50 icon-cache.kcache -rw-rw-r-- 1 751197 Oct 21 21:51 ksycoca -rw-rw-r-- 1 1359129 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 656 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4stamp -rw-rw-r-- 1 752 Oct 21 21:51 ksycocastamp drwx------ 2 1024 Oct 21 21:50 libphonon -rw------- 1 14264 Oct 21 21:48 plasma-svgelements-default -rw------- 1 16189 Sep 13 2013 plasma-svgelements-openSUSE drwx------ 3 1024 Aug 8 2013 plasma-wallpapers -rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Oct 21 21:50 plasma_theme_default.kcache -rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Sep 13 2013 plasma_theme_openSUSE.kcache $ ls -lGg (/home/loggedusername/.trinity/cache-hostname/) total 128420 drwx------ 2 1024 Oct 21 21:51 background drwx------ 2 1024 Aug 8 2013 favicons -rw-rw-r-- 1 10547304 Oct 21 21:50 icon-cache.kcache -rw-rw-r-- 1 751197 Oct 21 21:51 ksycoca -rw-rw-r-- 1 1359129 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4 -rw-rw-r-- 1 656 Oct 21 21:47 ksycoca4stamp -rw-rw-r-- 1 752 Oct 21 21:51 ksycocastamp drwx------ 2 1024 Oct 21 21:50 libphonon -rw------- 1 14264 Oct 21 21:48 plasma-svgelements-default -rw------- 1 16189 Sep 13 2013 plasma-svgelements-openSUSE drwx------ 3 1024 Aug 8 2013 plasma-wallpapers -rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Oct 21 21:50 plasma_theme_default.kcache -rw-rw-r-- 1 84377704 Sep 13 2013 plasma_theme_openSUSE.kcache
Whether any of those actually belong to the TDE session I dont' know, but I don't seem to be able to locate any other tmpfiles for it. Because/ and /home are different partitions, the identical sizes and timestamps between the two directories looked fishy to me until I noticed that /home/loggedusername/.trinity/cache-hostname/ is a symlink. So, one question I have is how to make the desktop user tmpfiles live in /homeloggedusername/ someplace instead of on /.
On return to desktop, none of the K3b windows would repaint, so I force closed K3b from Kicker. Then I cleared /var/tmp/, which brought space used on / from 97% to 88%, available 1K blocks up to 588973, and got rid of all the big files in /home/loggedusername/.trinity/cache-hostname/.
Comments?
Recommendations?
On 10/21/2014 08:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Other than selecing source and destination, and deselecting create/delete image (aka on-the-fly), I used only defaults, resulting in (auto) writing speed 22713KB/s (16.49x) in the upper pane.
I don't know why the write failed, but just thought I'd point out that writing at max speed will make a lot more coasters. I always write at 1/2 the max speed of the media or the drive, whichever is slower, and get more reliable copies and never a coaster. You might give that a shot and see if it helps.
I've had occasional trouble burning DVD's on Debian Testing + Trinity 3.5.13.1 but usually not. That's one reason why I keep alternate distros installed. I can always reboot into Vector 6 Kde Classic, which has been the most reliable for burning DVDs.
On 10/21/14, Dan Youngquist dan@homestead-products.com wrote:
On 10/21/2014 08:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Other than selecing source and destination, and deselecting create/delete image (aka on-the-fly), I used only defaults, resulting in (auto) writing speed 22713KB/s (16.49x) in the upper pane.
I don't know why the write failed, but just thought I'd point out that writing at max speed will make a lot more coasters. I always write at 1/2 the max speed of the media or the drive, whichever is slower, and get more reliable copies and never a coaster. You might give that a shot and see if it helps.
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Dan Youngquist composed on 2014-10-21 20:26 (UTC-0700):
On 10/21/2014 08:14 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Other than selecing source and destination, and deselecting create/delete image (aka on-the-fly), I used only defaults, resulting in (auto) writing speed 22713KB/s (16.49x) in the upper pane.
I don't know why the write failed, but just thought I'd point out that writing at max speed will make a lot more coasters. I always write at 1/2 the max speed of the media or the drive, whichever is slower, and get more reliable copies and never a coaster. You might give that a shot and see if it helps.
Makes sense, but didn't help, and took much longer than double the time to reach failure. I selected 8x, but it seemed unable to get more than 4X at best, dropping at times to 1.9x:
K3b Writing DVD copy stopped @00:17:05h/Remaining 23:45:38, 4136 of 4144 MB. :-(
Disk space is apparently unrelated, as before and after starting, / consumption stayed @87%. :-p
Next, @8x again, I tried writing tmp file, then burning to SATA drive read from. That claims to have succeeded in 18:08.
Next, @8x again, I tried letting it write tmp file, burning to PATA drive after creating the file from SATA. That claims to have succeeded in 15:42.
Next, @8x again, I tried writing tmp file, then burning to PATA drive read from. That claimed to have succeeded also in 15:42, and plays back OK in a DVD player.
Next, @8x again, I tried letting it write tmp file, burning to SATA drive after creating the file from PATA. That claims to have succeeded in 16:03.
Next, @8x again, I reversed the original failed source/destination configuration, reading from SATA, writing directly to PATA without first writing to a temp file. That produced another coaster @00:07:34h/remaining 00:00:04, 4217 of 4251 MB, with the target drive continuing to spin at high speed until I killed K3b.
Next, @8x again, I repeated the original failed source/destination configuration, reading from SATA, writing directly to PATA without first writing to a temp file. But this time I first booted openSUSE 12.3, with KDE 4.10.5 and K3b That ended @remaining time 00:00:00, 4231 of 4231 MB, without any closure messages or ejection attempts, with K3b again needing to be killed. I tried it in two different players. Both show title menu and play all title's starts, and find and play from each of the index marks, and the end of the last title. Based on that sampling, I have to think it's a complete copy.
That made me try the "coasters" in a player. All play like the one already tried.
So, it appears there's probably a bug in the on-the-fly process in K3b 3.5.13.2 aka 1.0.5-1.oss131.opt.x86_64 in openSUSE 13.1 that's a bit worse than a similar one in 12.3's k3b-2.0.80git20140929.1916-1.1.x86_64. Maybe the drives don't like the several years old CMC MAG/AM3 media, or maybe the problem is in the genisoimage or other underpinnings of the two app versions, genisoimage-1.1.11-16.1.3.x86_64 on 13.1.
???
https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=322096 and https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=291649 look like could be related to this, but I don't find either a KDE4 or a Trinity bug directly on point.
So, it appears there's probably a bug in the on-the-fly process in K3b 3.5.13.2 aka 1.0.5-1.oss131.opt.x86_64 in openSUSE 13.1 that's a bit worse than a similar one in 12.3's
It has nothing to with opensuse or any other distro It has everything to with K3b....for the last 4 years already. Do a search with google. Do a search on various Forums
I use (used ) K3b for everything...""except burning isos, "" Acetoneiso still has to give me my first toasted-DVD after using it for 4/5 years. K3b does that exceptional well after first try
Just my experience and my opinion. Hope other people were more lucky
Maybe worth a try on the absolute slowest burn speed. I've never had any luck with k3b (admittedly KDEs version) on anything but the slowest burn speed available. Anything higher and it fails everytime.
On Wednesday 22 October 2014 13:20:20 you wrote:
Maybe worth a try on the absolute slowest burn speed. I've never had any luck with k3b (admittedly KDEs version) on anything but the slowest burn speed available. Anything higher and it fails everytime.
My $.02, I have never had an issue with K3B...I burn mostly iso images ..no on the fly stuff.
It does semm that media and burners can have issues..I replaced my dvd burner recently, I was getting eratic performance..not recognizing some media. I really like Pioneer, I bought their bluray player, nice..I use the cli to create and manage bluray stuff.
A positive report :-)
ps, I also use cdrtools from Schilly, compile them from source, K3B recognizes and uses them first. This was for bluray support..Debian Wheezy & TDE work fine as is.
Every time I had a problem with K3B it was because I was using a low quality, no-name disc. If I used Sony/Verbatim/Maxell discs, then everything worked okay.
Those discs are cheap for a (bad) reason!
2014-10-22 23:48 GMT+02:00 Tini trin@telekon.org: Every time I had a problem with K3B it was because I was using a low quality, no-name disc. If I used Sony/Verbatim/Maxell discs, then > everything worked okay.
Those discs are cheap for a (bad) reason!
I agree with this fact, i never had any problem with k3b but many with cheap discs. I try to buy the most of time Verbatim discs.
Only one advise for everybody, prefer burning with low or middle speed to get a more precise burning. The most precise is the laser, the more precise is the data on the disc, the more easy to read is the disc ! It can help your players to stay fonctionnal more longer.
Nicolas D.
Nicolas Dobigeon composed on 2014-10-23 00:27 (UTC+0200):
Tini composed on 2014-10-22 18:48 (UTC-0300):
If I used Sony/Verbatim/Maxell discs, then > everything worked okay.
Those discs are cheap for a (bad) reason!
I agree with this fact, i never had any problem with k3b but many with cheap discs. I try to buy the most of time Verbatim discs.
I burned many hundreds of DVD-Rs, maybe over a thousand, including a high percentage of coasters, before I learned how to deal with media quality. http://www.digitalfaq.com/reviews/dvd-media.htm is what brought me up to speed. It may not be up to date now, but it taught me to stop buying less than top quality media. Since then, I've only bought from one (online) source, and only one brand: Taiyo Yuden.
If you read my OP, you should have noticed I included the media code and brand: (CMC MAG, AM3) Verbatim. According to that page, the media I've used WRT this thread are in the "non-Archival" category, less than best). IOW, though Verbatim, not great quality. I didn't buy them, but I do know they were purchased several years ago, when that page was probably close to up to date. They were provided to me by a friend in order to copy for her DVDs I had burned with a DVDR.
OTOH, among the pre-enlightenment discs I burned, the only ones I've later discovered to have become useless are Maxells.
My OP was an attempt to discover whether I was having media or software issues. Based on observations and thread posts since, software has proven to be sole fault, and cosmetic only. All discs play. K3b's UI when selecting on-the-fly is what is failing.
When I run out of her blanks, I may try on-the-fly one more time with one of my better blank media, but I don't expect any better behavior from K3b with it.
Ubuntu Part of NSA PRISM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZakKwQ-gFM
I woulld take everything RS has to say with a grain of salt
On 1 November 2014 16:29, Tini trin@telekon.org wrote:
Ubuntu Part of NSA PRISM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZakKwQ-gFM
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Calvin Morrison mutantturkey@gmail.com napisał(a):
I woulld take everything RS has to say with a grain of salt
Definitely, some of his opinions are still valid and independent of computing development, but some were good in times when CPUs were built from TTL chips and every chip had structure drawing in datasheet (I have a nice data book from late 1970s, every sheet has one-page drawing of structure itself). Now more software becomes free, but it's used in non-free hardware which may have lots of interesting undocumented "features" in it. It's not against free software, but it's about complaining opt-out search engine (with clearly stated privacy policy) while ignoring big "bomb" which may be hidden in CPU executing the search. MCbx
On 11/02/14 10:16, iadest@o2.pl wrote:
It's not against free software, but it's about complaining opt-out search engine (with clearly stated privacy policy) while ignoring big "bomb" which may be hidden in CPU executing the search. MCbx
https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.html
This page says it only affects 'Unity' and the other versions are okay, https://fixubuntu.com
My concern is the version at http://depot-trinity.dotriver.eu/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/ but since it's Kubuntu Precise, I'm assuming it's safe?
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This page says it only affects 'Unity' and the other versions are okay, https://fixubuntu.com
This was all in the news years back; at the time it was just another reason never to use that UI abomination called Unity.
By the way, the data leakage being scrutinized here is the fundamentally same type that occurs with a stock Firefox/Chromium installation. How many people here have bothered to disable Web search autocomplete, "malware protection", automatic redirect of mistyped URLs, switched to Startpage, etc.? If not done your browser will leak a surprising amount of personal data over time. ;-)
My concern is the version at http://depot-trinity.dotriver.eu/cdimages/kubuntu/precise/ but since it's Kubuntu Precise, I'm assuming it's safe?
I kept the "Kubuntu" name for those releases out of inertia, not because they are based on official Kubuntu images. This was confusing so the "Kubuntu" name was dropped for R14. Any security flaws in those images would be due to oversights in the core system and/or TDE itself, not from malicious spying of the type present in Unity.
I still don't have a short name for our new CD images (Tubuntu sounds like a bad musical instrument), so the current ones are simply called "TDE Ubuntu <version name>". Ideas are welcome!
Tim
On Sat, Nov 01, 2014 at 05:04:12PM -0400, Calvin Morrison wrote:
I woulld take everything RS has to say with a grain of salt
Ah, the good ol' Cassandra Sydrome in action. The more often you are proven right, the less people will accept what you have to say.
On 1 November 2014 16:29, Tini trin@telekon.org wrote:
Ubuntu Part of NSA PRISM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZakKwQ-gFM
The title is misleading, this has little to do with PRISM, it is how Ubuntu enables spyware by default and transfers local search results to their servers in order to show ads. It's also quite old, the video is over a year old and Richard Stallman first started talking about it nearly two years ago:
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2012/12/richard-stallman-calls...
To bring this back on topic *grin* the offending spyware is part of Unity, Ubuntu's default desktop environment. By using TDE instead, you avoid the problems with Unity.
On Saturday 01 November 2014 20:29:34 Tini wrote:
Ubuntu Part of NSA PRISM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZakKwQ-gFM
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And this has what to do with K3b DVD writing?
Lisi
Tini wrote:
Ubuntu Part of NSA PRISM, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZakKwQ-gFM
Lisi Reisz wrote:
And this has what to do with K3b DVD writing?
The message subject doesn't mention K3B. And the post wasn't in response to that thread.
On Sunday 02 November 2014 04:14:25 Tini wrote:
The message subject doesn't mention K3B. And the post wasn't in response to that thread.
Yes it does: "K3b Writing DVD copy stopped..." etc. And yes, it was. You replied to the thread, and it gets threaded in the thread. You did not start a new thread, you merely "replied" and tampered with the subject..
You obviously don't use a proper email client.
I use threading, and messages like yours are a nuisance.
Lisi
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On Sunday 02 November 2014 04:14:25 Tini wrote:
The message subject doesn't mention K3B. And the post wasn't in response to that thread.
Yes it does: "K3b Writing DVD copy stopped..." etc. And yes, it was. You replied to the thread, and it gets threaded in the thread. You did not start a new thread, you merely "replied" and tampered with the subject..
You obviously don't use a proper email client.
I use threading, and messages like yours are a nuisance.
Lisi
To be fair broken mail clients abound; even with working ones like mine I still have to be careful not to hit the big tempting "Reply" button and instead copy + paste the list address to a new message. Also there aren't any warnings on the mailing list page about this counter-intuitive process, so maybe adding one would be in order?
Tim
On Sunday 02 November 2014 23:53:41 Timothy Pearson wrote:
even with working ones like mine I still have to be careful not to hit the big tempting "Reply" button and instead copy + paste the list address to a new message.
I use KMail. (Trinity version, of course.) I don't copy and paste anything. I just click on the list email address instead of the reply button.
Just use your own wonderful wares, Tim, and difficulties will disappear!
Lisi
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On Sunday 02 November 2014 23:53:41 Timothy Pearson wrote:
even with working ones like mine I still have to be careful not to hit the big tempting "Reply" button and instead copy + paste the list address to a new message.
I use KMail. (Trinity version, of course.) I don't copy and paste anything. I just click on the list email address instead of the reply button.
Just use your own wonderful wares, Tim, and difficulties will disappear!
Lisi
That's good to know. I "dogfood" most of TDE but I never used KMail as I have been on Thunderbird longer than I've been using Linux. ;-)
Tim
Am Montag, 3. November 2014 schrieb Timothy Pearson:
On Sunday 02 November 2014 23:53:41 Timothy Pearson wrote:
even with working ones like mine I still have to be careful not to hit the big tempting "Reply" button and instead copy + paste the list address to a new message.
I use KMail. (Trinity version, of course.) I don't copy and paste anything. I just click on the list email address instead of the reply button.
Just use your own wonderful wares, Tim, and difficulties will disappear!
Lisi
That's good to know. I "dogfood" most of TDE but I never used KMail as I have been on Thunderbird longer than I've been using Linux. ;-)
Tim
There are not many graphical mailclients that use maildir and kmail is the best of them. You should really try it - IMO it's the TDE killerapp. :-)
Nik
On Monday 03 November 2014 15.57:02 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
There are not many graphical mailclients that use maildir and kmail is the best of them. You should really try it - IMO it's the TDE killerapp. :-)
Nik
True! However in my opinion it shares this place with Konqueror as a file manager. How they could ditch it for Dolphin I can't understand.
I could live with KDE 4 's kmail (I did use it, however in an older version) but I miss Konqueror (KDE 4's version actualy uses Dophin for the file managing part).
Thierry
On Sun, 2 Nov 2014 23:19:36 +0000 Lisi Reisz lisi.reisz@gmail.com wrote:
On Sunday 02 November 2014 04:14:25 Tini wrote:
The message subject doesn't mention K3B. And the post wasn't in response to that thread.
Yes it does: "K3b Writing DVD copy stopped..." etc. And yes, it was. You replied to the thread, and it gets threaded in the thread. You did not start a new thread, you merely "replied" and tampered with the subject..
You obviously don't use a proper email client.
I use threading, and messages like yours are a nuisance.
The X-Mailer header from the message at issue suggests Tini is using some webmail client I've never heard of before.
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Emails have pieces of information attached to them that normally aren't visible (unless you're using a proper mail client and enable the option to view all the headers--most people don't, though). One of these is the In-Reply-To header, which indicates the message that the current one is replying to. Another is the References header, which can contain the entire chain of messages and replies that preceded the current email.
Those headers are what email clients with threading capability use to assign a given message to a thread. So changing the subject line is not enough to break the relationship between your current email and the one you're replying to.
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