I've been running trinity since the ubuntu team tried to shove kde4 onto us. Through the various versions, and including most recently with a clean install off the trinity maverick cd, I have had the problem that when I log out of my desktop, kde does not save what programs I had open at the time (which should be restored when I log back in). The only solution I have found to this issue is to link to kwin in ~/.kde3/Autostart/ (now with 3.5.13 its in ~/.trinity/Autostart/). Also of note is that kwin is NOT found in 'ps' unless I do this.
Now it is my understanding that if kwin is not running, I should be seeing a lack of desktop affects - noticeable things like window borders and such - however when my desktop starts up there are no apparent visual problems. Yet unless I start kwin in Autostart, when I log out of my desktop and back in again, I am always returned to a desktop with konsole and firefox opening up, but nothing else. Once kwin is added to Autostart, my desktop always opens up to whatever programs I had running when I logged out (including correct window and multi-desktop placement).
My wife's system: maverick trinity with the standard updates applied. My system: maverick trinity installed, do-release-upgrade to natty, then pulled the apt sources to upgrade to trinity 3.5.13. Through none of these steps did kwin save my desktop on logout.
What I would like to know is if there was an issue at some point along this path that kwin did not get added to the normal kde startup process, and if there is a more appropriate way that I should get it to run when a user logs in?
On 26 January 2012 01:07, Jeff Taylor shdwdrgn@sourpuss.net wrote:
I've been running trinity since the ubuntu team tried to shove kde4 onto us. Through the various versions, and including most recently with a clean install off the trinity maverick cd, I have had the problem that when I log out of my desktop, kde does not save what programs I had open at the time (which should be restored when I log back in). The only solution I have found to this issue is to link to kwin in ~/.kde3/Autostart/ (now with 3.5.13 its in ~/.trinity/Autostart/). Also of note is that kwin is NOT found in 'ps' unless I do this.
Now it is my understanding that if kwin is not running, I should be seeing a lack of desktop affects - noticeable things like window borders and such - however when my desktop starts up there are no apparent visual problems. Yet unless I start kwin in Autostart, when I log out of my desktop and back in again, I am always returned to a desktop with konsole and firefox opening up, but nothing else. Once kwin is added to Autostart, my desktop always opens up to whatever programs I had running when I logged out (including correct window and multi-desktop placement).
My wife's system: maverick trinity with the standard updates applied. My system: maverick trinity installed, do-release-upgrade to natty, then pulled the apt sources to upgrade to trinity 3.5.13. Through none of these steps did kwin save my desktop on logout.
What I would like to know is if there was an issue at some point along this path that kwin did not get added to the normal kde startup process, and if there is a more appropriate way that I should get it to run when a user logs in?
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
I'm not sure where this save-session option is at? Before trinity, kde3 always automatically saved my setup when I logged out. Also I have to wonder, if kwin is supposed to be running, why wouldn't it have been present on the two machines I did clean installs of trinity to?
On 01/26/2012 05:50 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
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When I first installed trinity on my wife's computer (clean install, upgrading from WinXP), I had this issue pop up. It took me a week to find a solution to storing her settings. Not only were the open programs not being stored (items like firefox, thunderbird and pidgin), but her desktop settings such as font styles and sizes were also being lost after a reboot. There have been no special updates to her computer... it is a clean install from the maverick trinity desktop CD, with aptitude updates being applied infrequently.
I have found references to kwin not launching properly due to issues with video card drivers, however it is obviously starting up and continuing to run when I have kwin launched from the Autostart folder. Also her computer and my computer are based on completely different hardware, and there appears to be no other issues when starting up xorg. We both log in to the trinity desktop under our own usernames (the first account created on each machine during setup). Installation is done by booting to the desktop on the liveCD, and clicking the icon to install trinity. This seems like a fairly routine procedure, so I don't understand why kwin doesn't work for any of my installations, yet appears to be functioning fine for others.
On 01/26/2012 11:51 AM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 26 January 2012 18:28:30 Jeff Taylor wrote:
Before trinity, kde3 always automatically saved my setup when I logged out
In my experience, Trinity normally does too. (If they are Trinity applications, that is.)
Lisi
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On Thursday 26 January 2012 20:55:03 Jeff Taylor wrote:
When I first installed trinity on my wife's computer (clean install, upgrading from WinXP), I had this issue pop up. It took me a week to find a solution to storing her settings. Not only were the open programs not being stored (items like firefox, thunderbird and pidgin),
So of course they don't automatically restart. They are not Trinity applications. I have never expected non-Trinity/KDE applications to start up automatically, tho' OOo 3 does. I did actually say that in the email to which you are replying.
Lisi
OK, I wasn't quite sure what you were referring to by 'trinity apps'. No, pretty much the only problem I have is that kwin doesn't start up on its own from a clean install.
On 01/26/2012 03:39 PM, Lisi wrote:
On Thursday 26 January 2012 20:55:03 Jeff Taylor wrote:
When I first installed trinity on my wife's computer (clean install, upgrading from WinXP), I had this issue pop up. It took me a week to find a solution to storing her settings. Not only were the open programs not being stored (items like firefox, thunderbird and pidgin),
So of course they don't automatically restart. They are not Trinity applications. I have never expected non-Trinity/KDE applications to start up automatically, tho' OOo 3 does. I did actually say that in the email to which you are replying.
Lisi
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On Thursday 26 January 2012 9:28:30 am Jeff Taylor wrote:
I'm not sure where this save-session option is at? Before trinity, kde3 always automatically saved my setup when I logged out. Also I have to wonder, if kwin is supposed to be running, why wouldn't it have been present on the two machines I did clean installs of trinity to?
On 01/26/2012 05:50 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
On my box, There is a manal 'save session' in my 'application start menu', also from the start menu, 'settings>kde components> session manager' gives several options on restoring a seesion etc.
Wait... so you're saying that you manually save your session when you have everything set up a certain way, then every time you log in to your desktop you click something to manually restore your settings an applications?
On 01/26/2012 06:14 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
On Thursday 26 January 2012 9:28:30 am Jeff Taylor wrote:
I'm not sure where this save-session option is at? Before trinity, kde3 always automatically saved my setup when I logged out. Also I have to wonder, if kwin is supposed to be running, why wouldn't it have been present on the two machines I did clean installs of trinity to?
On 01/26/2012 05:50 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
On my box, There is a manal 'save session' in my 'application start menu', also from the start menu, 'settings>kde components> session manager' gives several options on restoring a seesion etc.
On 01/26/2012 06:14 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
On Thursday 26 January 2012 9:28:30 am Jeff Taylor wrote:
I'm not sure where this save-session option is at? Before trinity, kde3 always automatically saved my setup when I logged out. Also I have to wonder, if kwin is supposed to be running, why wouldn't it have been present on the two machines I did clean installs of trinity to?
On 01/26/2012 05:50 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
On my box, There is a manal 'save session' in my 'application start menu', also from the start menu, 'settings>kde components> session manager' gives several options on restoring a seesion etc.
On Thursday 26 January 2012 6:28:35 pm Jeff Taylor wrote: Wait... so you're saying that you manually save your session when you have everything set up a certain way, then every time you log in to your desktop you click something to manually restore your settings an applications?
I fixed your top post, hopefully.
I don't turn off my workstation, don't want to test the feature as it doesn't handle Virtual Box sessions and any app or terminal session started as a different user, afaik.
Maybe I shouldnt have posted since I don't use the feaures, I was pointing out they are available and the location in case you missed that part.
Have you tried the settings available in 'KDE components" ?
Le jeudi 26 janvier 2012, Jeff Taylor a écrit :
On 01/26/2012 06:14 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
On Thursday 26 January 2012 9:28:30 am Jeff Taylor wrote:
I'm not sure where this save-session option is at? Before trinity, kde3 always automatically saved my setup when I logged out. Also I have to wonder, if kwin is supposed to be running, why wouldn't it have been present on the two machines I did clean installs of trinity to?
On 01/26/2012 05:50 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
On my box, There is a manal 'save session' in my 'application start
menu', also
from the start menu, 'settings>kde components> session manager' gives
several
options on restoring a seesion etc.
Wait... so you're saying that you manually save your session when you have everything set up a certain way, then every time you log in to your desktop you click something to manually restore your settings an applications?
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Yes!
To set this: kcontrol -> "KDE Components" -> "Session Manager": frame "On Login" you can activate one of these three radio buttons: - Restore revious session x Restore Manually saved session - Start with an empty session
Just take care with "kate" because it saves the opened files and so change the active session. It's hard to explane: just try it. This could be related to an other thread on kate in this mailing list or in the devel mailing list. At the moment to save a "working" KDE session that I usely use during monthes, the kate's windows are opened with "Default session".
Cheers Patrick
Le jeudi 26 janvier 2012, Patrick Serru a écrit :
Le jeudi 26 janvier 2012, Jeff Taylor a écrit :
On 01/26/2012 06:14 PM, Greg Madden wrote:
On Thursday 26 January 2012 9:28:30 am Jeff Taylor wrote:
I'm not sure where this save-session option is at? Before trinity,
kde3
always automatically saved my setup when I logged out. Also I have to wonder, if kwin is supposed to be running, why wouldn't it have been present on the two machines I did clean installs of trinity to?
On 01/26/2012 05:50 AM, Calvin Morrison wrote:
Me thinks that something weird is happening with your sessions. Try getting everything setup (with kwin running) how it normally should, then save your session. See if that is a solution.
On my box, There is a manal 'save session' in my 'application start
menu', also
from the start menu, 'settings>kde components> session manager' gives
several
options on restoring a seesion etc.
Wait... so you're saying that you manually save your session when you have everything set up a certain way, then every time you log in to your desktop you click something to manually restore your settings an applications?
I forgot to say that once this setting is done in kcontrol, the bottom of KDE main menu changes (see attached file). So you can leave your session after pressing this "Save Session" item. Re-openning it should give something corresponding to what you are dreaming of.
Cheers Patrick
On Friday 27 January 2012 15:39:46 Patrick Serru wrote: <snip>
Yes! To set this:kcontrol -> "KDE Components" -> "Session Manager": frame "On Login" you can activate one of these three radio buttons:
- Restore revious session
x Restore Manually saved session
Start with an empty session
Just take care with "kate" because it saves the opened filesand so change the active session. It's hard to explane: just try it. This could be related to an other thread on kate in this mailing list or in the devel mailing list. At the moment to save a "working" KDE session that I usely use during monthes, the kate's windows are opened with "Default session".
<more snippage>
Thanks Patrick, works a treat! G.
I checked my setting in kcontrol... My buttons are set to "restore previous session". Does this not mean what I think it does... that when I log in, my desktop applications should be restored to what I had running when I logged out?
On 01/26/2012 09:39 PM, Patrick Serru wrote:
Yes! To set this:kcontrol -> "KDE Components" -> "Session Manager": frame "On Login" you can activate one of these three radio buttons:
- Restore revious session
x Restore Manually saved session
Start with an empty session
Just take care with "kate" because it saves the opened files and sochange the active session. It's hard to explane: just try it. This could be related to an other thread on kate in this mailing list or in the devel mailing list. At the moment to save a "working" KDE session that I usely use during monthes, the kate's windows are opened with "Default session".
Le vendredi 27 janvier 2012, Jeff Taylor a écrit :
I checked my setting in kcontrol... My buttons are set to "restore previous session". Does this not mean what I think it does... that when I log in, my desktop applications should be restored to what I had running when I logged out?
On 01/26/2012 09:39 PM, Patrick Serru wrote:
Yes! To set this:kcontrol -> "KDE Components" -> "Session Manager": frame "On Login" you can activate one of these three radio buttons:
- Restore previous session
x Restore Manually saved session
- Start with an empty session
... Once this setting is done in kcontrol, the bottom of KDE main menu changes (see attached file). So you can leave your session after pressing this "Save Session" item. Re-openning it should give something corresponding to what you are dreaming of.
--------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Jeff,
I propose this test (names between '"' can be localized): - Close all application windows - KMenu -> "System" -> "Monitor" -> "KInfoCenter"), activate the radio button titled "Restore Manually saved session", then close KControl saving the setting. - kMenu -> "Internet" -> "KMail". Start KMail (no more than opening it) - KMenu -> "Save Session" (see attached picture somewhere in this thread) - KMenu -> "Log Out..." -> "Close session" - Outside KDE (TDE) Re-enter the same session (I dont know what appens when it is automatic, but I suppose you dont have anything to do!) Once the session is re-openned, you should see the KMail window openned (on the same desktop). If not, there must be someting wrong in your instalation...
Cheers Patrick
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