On 11/20/2019 04:54 PM, BorgLabs - Kate Draven wrote: Amen, For those of us that recognized the amazing culmination of a talented team that built a desktop from the ground up with a focus on seamless interface between all applications, and on minimizing the number of keystrokes or mouse-clicks required to accomplish each task -- we never left. That is why TDE/KDE3 will stand alone as one of the, if not the, greatest desktop ever. It was created from a unique process than can never be recreated by porting individual KDE3 apps to the next "greatest" Qt toolsset. Apps ported by one developer and shoehorned into the latest toolset will never have the same function or consistency as those originally developed by a team to end up with what was called KDE3. To think about all that was brought together and incorporated in KDE3 more than 15 years ago is simply amazing. I have an Arch disk that I throw in the laptop from time to time an update to the latest stable release of Plasma from git and I just shake my head. Bugs I filed 11 years ago against KDE 4.0.4a are still unfixed and now it takes damn near a full 60 seconds to initialize. (disk comes back out within the hour and the KDE3 disk goes back in where a 4 sec startup provides every bit of the functionality and none of the bugs...) -- David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.