I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would have a mechanism, that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or two lines reply. In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
Regards, Peter.
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 16 Sep 14:52:14 +0200 phiebie@drei.at scripsit:
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would have a mechanism, that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or two lines reply. In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Why should the mailserver do that?
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
:)
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On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 02:52:14PM +0200, phiebie@drei.at wrote:
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would have a mechanism, that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or two lines reply.
Should the mail server also correct people's spelling errors, fix bad grammar, and look up solutions for technical problems for them too?
Mail servers serve mail. If people have the bad habit of not trimming them quotes, and end up bottom-quoting at the end of seven pages of quoted material nine levels deep, that's a problem with the writer not the mail server.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
No, you are not the only one.
On Wednesday 16 of September 2020 14:52:14 phiebie@drei.at wrote:
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would have a mechanism, that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or two lines reply. In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
Regards, Peter. ____________________________________________________
In mailserver / mailman, it might be possible to deal with adding a footer so that it is separated by a signature block mark. However, this does not resolve the way users cite original content.
For example, recently there have been responses from one user that are in HTML and the response has an identical indentation as the previous mail => it requires a lot of effort in finding the real text of the response. I have no idea if this is the behavior of an HTML interface for mail, but it's terrible. This makes reading such posts very difficult, because here the mail client cannot be helpful by collapsing up previous replies.
Cheers
On 09/16/2020 04:52 AM, phiebie@drei.at wrote:
nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or two lines reply. In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
I do as well, and apparently there are at least several others. It makes it much more difficult follow the discussions where it's done. One would've thought it wouldn't happen on a list where most users are fairly computer-savvy and many have been around computers from the early days, but here it is. I hate to suggest it, but maybe we need a rule for that?
On Wednesday 16 September 2020 11:32:03 Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
On 09/16/2020 04:52 AM, phiebie@drei.at wrote:
nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or two lines reply. In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
I do as well, and apparently there are at least several others. It makes it much more difficult follow the discussions where it's done. One would've thought it wouldn't happen on a list where most users are fairly computer-savvy and many have been around computers from the early days, but here it is. I hate to suggest it, but maybe we need a rule for that?
I certainly will plead mea maxima culpa here; but usually the threads go off-topic, then spin out-of-control, by little steps.
One offhand comment, or joke, then everybody piles on, and I alone am not responsible for that. And by the way, we did try making a rule, which is to change the heading, create a new thread from scratch (rather than reusing the thread).
We could stick to "strictly business"; which I am sure would please the no-nonsense people here, but alienate others. For what it's worth, I also don't like reading the threads when they get too far disconnected from the original topic. But how far is too far? No jokes at all? No witty retorts?
I say, take it private (chat or private email), if it goes more than, say, one step beyond the topic. No harm in having private conversation (or even a group private conversation). Not everybody is interested.
When it goes off-topic, it becomes like a snowball effect, hard to stop when it gets momentum. We need to stop or divert it before that point.
Bill
On 09/16/2020 09:45 AM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
We could stick to "strictly business"; which I am sure would please the no-nonsense people here, but alienate others. For what it's worth, I also don't like reading the threads when they get too far disconnected from the original topic. But how far is too far? No jokes at all? No witty retorts?
That's a completely different topic; we're talking about seemingly endless levels of untrimmed quotes that one has to scroll through to get to a very short reply at the bottom. Makes it very difficult to read and follow a discussion.
(Personally, I like to see a little personal banter and joking; it helps one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed, now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, just to find a line or two of something completely irrelevant at the bottom.)
On Wednesday 16 September 2020 12:04:04 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 09/16/2020 09:45 AM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
We could stick to "strictly business"; which I am sure would please the no-nonsense people here, but alienate others. For what it's worth, I also don't like reading the threads when they get too far disconnected from the original topic. But how far is too far? No jokes at all? No witty retorts?
That's a completely different topic; we're talking about seemingly endless levels of untrimmed quotes that one has to scroll through to get to a very short reply at the bottom. Makes it very difficult to read and follow a discussion.
(Personally, I like to see a little personal banter and joking; it helps one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed, now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, just to find a line or two of something completely irrelevant at the bottom.)
I can live with that. My problem is always, where to start revising or cutting what others have said.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers into philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned into a completely new, separate thread. It's interesting, sometimes, but the original topic got lost in discussions of matters that were several steps removed from where it started.
So what would be our rule? except to create a new thread, early on, once we realize where this train wreck is headed.
Bill
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Anno domini 2020 Wed, 16 Sep 11:10:00 -0700 William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users scripsit:
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(Personally, I like to see a little personal banter and joking; it helps one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed, now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, just to find a line or two of something completely irrelevant at the bottom.)
I can live with that. My problem is always, where to start revising or cutting what others have said.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers into philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned into a completely new, separate thread. It's interesting, sometimes, but the original topic got lost in discussions of matters that were several steps removed from where it started.
So what would be our rule? except to create a new thread, early on, once we realize where this train wreck is headed.
@ topposting: https://habr.com/ru/post/13714/ @ rules: rules are there to be broken. The more the world drifts to law & order, the more imporant that gets.
Nik
Bill
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On Wednesday 16 September 2020 11:44:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 16 Sep 11:10:00 -0700
William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users scripsit:
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(Personally, I like to see a little personal banter and joking; it helps one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed, now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, just to find a line or two of something completely irrelevant at the bottom.)
I can live with that. My problem is always, where to start revising or cutting what others have said.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers into philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned into a completely new, separate thread. It's interesting, sometimes, but the original topic got lost in discussions of matters that were several steps removed from where it started.
So what would be our rule? except to create a new thread, early on, once we realize where this train wreck is headed.
@ topposting: https://habr.com/ru/post/13714/ @ rules: rules are there to be broken. The more the world drifts to law & order, the more imporant that gets.
Nik
I also agree with this position, but only because I am feeling very agreeable today. I don't know about *rules*, but at least guidelines, signposts, guardrails, some sort of official notice that says, for example,
DANGER! BRIDGE OUT! BOTTOMLESS ABYSS AHEAD
But I am also against rules that are too rigid and unyielding, as that is both inhuman and inhumane.
Bill
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On 09/16/2020 10:10 AM, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
My problem is always, where to start revising or cutting what others have said.
It's very simple, really: Just include the minimum necessary to let readers know what you're replying to, and maintain continuity in the thread. Usually that's no more than a few lines, and rarely more than one level of quotes.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers into philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned into a completely new, separate thread.
Speaking of which, let's try to keep this on topic, which is endless levels of untrimmed quotes followed by a very short reply.
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