16 Sep
2020
16 Sep
'20
12:52 p.m.
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would have a mechanism,
that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on
quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or
two lines reply.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
Regards, Peter.
16 Sep
16 Sep
1:02 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 16 Sep 14:52:14 +0200
phiebie(a)drei.at scripsit:
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would
have a mechanism,
that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on
quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or
two lines reply.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Why should the mailserver do that?
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
:)
Regards, Peter.
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1:49 p.m.
On Wed, Sep 16, 2020 at 02:52:14PM +0200, phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would
have a mechanism,
that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on
quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or
two lines reply.
Should the mail server also correct people's spelling errors, fix bad
grammar, and look up solutions for technical problems for them too?
Mail servers serve mail. If people have the bad habit of not trimming
them quotes, and end up bottom-quoting at the end of seven pages of
quoted material nine levels deep, that's a problem with the writer not
the mail server.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued
here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
No, you are not the only one.
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3:48 p.m.
On Wednesday 16 of September 2020 14:52:14 phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
I had a little hope, that the new mail-server would
have a mechanism,
that would filter out these nauseating mails with quote on quote on
quote... 6, 7 or 8 levels deep the full original text and then one or
two lines reply.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
Regards, Peter.
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In mailserver / mailman, it might be possible to deal with adding a footer
so that it is separated by a signature block mark. However, this does not
resolve the way users cite original content.
For example, recently there have been responses from one user that are in
HTML and the response has an identical indentation as the previous mail =>
it requires a lot of effort in finding the real text of the response. I
have no idea if this is the behavior of an HTML interface for mail, but
it's terrible. This makes reading such posts very difficult, because here
the mail client cannot be helpful by collapsing up previous replies.
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6:32 p.m.
On 09/16/2020 04:52 AM, phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote... 6, 7
or 8 levels deep
the full original text and then one or two lines reply.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
I do as well, and apparently there are at least several others. It makes it
much more difficult follow the discussions where it's done. One would've
thought it wouldn't happen on a list where most users are fairly
computer-savvy and many have been around computers from the early days, but
here it is. I hate to suggest it, but maybe we need a rule for that?
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5:45 p.m.
On Wednesday 16 September 2020 11:32:03 Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
On 09/16/2020 04:52 AM, phiebie(a)drei.at wrote:
I certainly will plead mea maxima culpa here; but usually the threads go
off-topic, then spin out-of-control, by little steps.
One offhand comment, or joke, then everybody piles on, and I alone am not
responsible for that. And by the way, we did try making a rule, which is to
change the heading, create a new thread from scratch (rather than reusing the
thread).
We could stick to "strictly business"; which I am sure would please the
no-nonsense people here, but alienate others. For what it's worth, I also
don't like reading the threads when they get too far disconnected from the
original topic. But how far is too far? No jokes at all? No witty retorts?
I say, take it private (chat or private email), if it goes more than, say, one
step beyond the topic. No harm in having private conversation (or even a
group private conversation). Not everybody is interested.
When it goes off-topic, it becomes like a snowball effect, hard to stop when
it gets momentum. We need to stop or divert it before that point.
Bill
nauseating mails with quote on quote on quote...
6, 7 or 8 levels deep
the full original text and then one or two lines reply.
In vain, the old bad habit is seamlessly continued here.
Am I the only one here, who finds this a nuisance?
I do as well, and apparently there are at least several others. It makes
it much more difficult follow the discussions where it's done. One
would've thought it wouldn't happen on a list where most users are fairly
computer-savvy and many have been around computers from the early days, but
here it is. I hate to suggest it, but maybe we need a rule for that?
7:04 p.m.
On 09/16/2020 09:45 AM, William Morder via tde-users wrote:
We could stick to "strictly business"; which
I am sure would please the
no-nonsense people here, but alienate others. For what it's worth, I also
don't like reading the threads when they get too far disconnected from the
original topic. But how far is too far? No jokes at all? No witty retorts?
That's a completely different topic; we're talking about seemingly endless
levels of untrimmed quotes that one has to scroll through to get to a very
short reply at the bottom. Makes it very difficult to read and follow a
discussion.
(Personally, I like to see a little personal banter and joking; it helps one
get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too far
sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two problems are
combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed, now-irrelevant quotes
many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling, just to find a line or
two of something completely irrelevant at the bottom.)
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6:10 p.m.
On Wednesday 16 September 2020 12:04:04 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 09/16/2020 09:45 AM, William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
I can live with that. My problem is always, where to start revising or cutting
what others have said.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers into
philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned
into a completely new, separate thread. It's interesting, sometimes, but the
original topic got lost in discussions of matters that were several steps
removed from where it started.
So what would be our rule? except to create a new thread, early on, once we
realize where this train wreck is headed.
Bill
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We could stick to "strictly business";
which I am sure would please the
no-nonsense people here, but alienate others. For what it's worth, I also
don't like reading the threads when they get too far disconnected from
the original topic. But how far is too far? No jokes at all? No witty
retorts?
That's a completely different topic; we're talking about seemingly endless
levels of untrimmed quotes that one has to scroll through to get to a very
short reply at the bottom. Makes it very difficult to read and follow a
discussion.
(Personally, I like to see a little personal banter and joking; it helps
one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too
far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two
problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed,
now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,
just to find a line or two of something completely irrelevant at the
bottom.)
6:44 p.m.
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 16 Sep 11:10:00 -0700
William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users scripsit:
[...]
@ topposting: https://habr.com/ru/post/13714/
@ rules: rules are there to be broken. The more the world drifts to law & order, the
more imporant that gets.
Nik
(Personally, I like to see a little personal
banter and joking; it helps
one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a bit too
far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these two
problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed,
now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling, scrolling,
just to find a line or two of something completely irrelevant at the
bottom.)
I can live with that. My problem is always, where to start revising or cutting
what others have said.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers into
philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned
into a completely new, separate thread. It's interesting, sometimes, but the
original topic got lost in discussions of matters that were several steps
removed from where it started.
So what would be our rule? except to create a new thread, early on, once we
realize where this train wreck is headed.
Bill
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On Wednesday 16 September 2020 11:44:13 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Wed, 16 Sep 11:10:00 -0700
William Morder via trinity-users via tde-users scripsit:
I also agree with this position, but only because I am feeling very agreeable
today. I don't know about *rules*, but at least guidelines, signposts,
guardrails, some sort of official notice that says, for example,
DANGER! BRIDGE OUT!
BOTTOMLESS ABYSS AHEAD
But I am also against rules that are too rigid and unyielding, as that is both
inhuman and inhumane.
Bill
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[...]
@ topposting: https://habr.com/ru/post/13714/
@ rules: rules are there to be broken. The more the world drifts to law &
order, the more imporant that gets.
Nik
(Personally, I like to see a little personal
banter and joking; it
helps one get to know the folks we're communicating with. It does go a
bit too far sometimes, but for me it only becomes irritating when these
two problems are combined -- page after page after page of untrimmed,
now-irrelevant quotes many levels deep, scrolling, scrolling,
scrolling, just to find a line or two of something completely
irrelevant at the bottom.)
I can live with that. My problem is always, where to start revising or
cutting what others have said.
And when the original topic (say, about installing Icecat) suddenly veers
into philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to
be turned into a completely new, separate thread. It's interesting,
sometimes, but the original topic got lost in discussions of matters that
were several steps removed from where it started.
So what would be our rule? except to create a new thread, early on, once
we realize where this train wreck is headed.
7:18 p.m.
On 09/16/2020 10:10 AM, William Morder via trinity-users wrote:
My problem is always, where to start revising or
cutting what others have said.
It's very simple, really: Just include the minimum necessary to let readers
know what you're replying to, and maintain continuity in the thread.
Usually that's no more than a few lines, and rarely more than one level of
quotes.
And when the original topic (say, about installing
Icecat) suddenly veers into
philosophy and politics and Big Brother, etc., this really ought to be turned
into a completely new, separate thread.
Speaking of which, let's try to keep this on topic, which is endless levels
of untrimmed quotes followed by a very short reply.
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