9 Dec
2022
9 Dec
'22
1:34 a.m.
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active
member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and
Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been
thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and
pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this
platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects
like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be
published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some
useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and
community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Cheers
--
Slávek
9 Dec
9 Dec
2:23 a.m.
On Thursday 08 December 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active
member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and
Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been
thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and
pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this
platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects
like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be
published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some
useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and
community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Cheers
I am all for promoting TDE in order to keep it alive, so that I myself (and
everybody else) can continue using it. Social networks sound like a good
idea. Twitter, Facebook, etc., however, are bloodsucking leeches, and I want
nothing to do with anything like them.
I hear good things about Mastodon; never used it. Just so long as it respects
users' privacy, is secure, decentralized, GNU/Linux free/libre (or at least
compatible with these), and can be used over Tor (and/or VPNs, for those who
prefer), then it sounds good.
We need to keep moving forward, right? Otherwise, the project dies. Whatever
will keep us moving forward, while sticking with those basic values: that
sounds like a good idea.
Bill
2:27 a.m.
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular
than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while
@gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar
enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did
stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
P.S. Any progress on the GMAIL problem?
2:39 a.m.
On 2022-12-08 08:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
As much as I hate Twitter, I do agree that Twitter shouldn't be off
the list. I know far more people who use Twitter than any who use a
Mastodon instance. If we truly wanna get a word out there on Trinity,
Twitter is a better candidate, even with it's many flaws.
That's not to say Mastodon isn't a good one either. It's a nice
alternative and there are a lot of people who use it, but twitters'
reach is far more. Both is good.
--
Nick G. / Wirlaburla
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular
than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while
@gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar
enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did
stumble across this:
https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike 
6:47 a.m.
Anno domini 2022 Thu, 08 Dec 20:39:45 -0600
Wirlaburla via tde-users scripsit:
On 2022-12-08 08:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
Twitter seams to come to it's senses with its new owner.
Nik
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko
wrote:
As much as I hate Twitter, I do agree that Twitter shouldn't be off
the list. I know far more people who use Twitter than any who use a
Mastodon instance. If we truly wanna get a word out there on Trinity,
Twitter is a better candidate, even with it's many flaws. Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular
than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while
@gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar
enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did
stumble across this:
https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
That's not to say Mastodon isn't a good one either. It's a nice
alternative and there are a lot of people who use it, but twitters'
reach is far more. Both is good.
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5:30 p.m.
On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 18:27:08 -0800
Mike Bird <mgb-trinity(a)yosemite.net> wrote:
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
It's functionally impossible to count the number of users on Mastodon
because there is no central control, and server operators are under no
obligation to report their user counts (although many do). The numbers
currently being thrown around are in the 1-3 million range, but that
doesn't mean they're accurate.
One thing to keep in mind is that the users on Mastodon tend to skew
technical (or at least tech-friendly), whereas a lot of users on Twitter
et al. wouldn't know Linux, much less TDE, from a hole in the ground.
There was actually something of an exodus of technical users from
Twitter to Mastodon after the recent shakeup at the former. So Twitter
might have more users, but Mastodon users are more likely to be
interested in TDE.
I'm cautiously in favour of an official TDE Mastodon account, if Slávek
or someone else involved in the project is willing to run it. The worst
that can happen is that it gets no traction. And I don't blame Slávek for
not wanting to engage with Twitter, which has problems right now that
go beyond being closed source, closed-protocol, and centralized under
control of a corporation.
The question, as posed, was not "Mastodon or Twitter?", it was
"Mastodon or status quo (nothing)?" I think we should assume that
Twitter is off the table for the present.
E. Liddell
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular
than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while
@gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar
enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did
stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
10 Dec
10 Dec
1:20 a.m.
Dne pá 9. prosince 2022 03:27:08 Mike Bird napsal(a):
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Thanks to everyone who has already responded.
Yes, sure, Twitter is bigger. But I don't like the fact that it's a
commercial project where voluntarily joined users become "goods" and
everything depends on the will of the owner. At the same time, I observe
that there is an increased interest in Mastodon at this time. And that
seems to me to be a better option to motivate people to join to Mastodon
instead of Twitter.
When I look at KDE and GNOME on Mastodon, yes, the current numbers are
noticeably lower - @kde@floss.social has 12k followers (joined Oct 07,
2022! - see https://floss.social/@kde) and @gnome@floss.social has 9.1k
followers (joined Jul 09, 2018 - see https://floss.social/@gnome). But
here's also the fact that you don't need anything special to follow posts
on Mastodon - you don't even need to create an account, because you can
follow using regular RSS - see https://floss.social/@kde.rss - that's
another thing I like. So, next to the counted followers, there may be
other users following using rss.
The opinion from Michael that we should enter "all" social networks seems
quite unrealistic. This would require a lot of effort, and I believe it
would be questionable whether it would have any real benefit. Also, I
don't agree that we should join social networks that contradict our ideas
just because those networks exist. The unmaintained "trinitydesktop"
account mentioned by Dan that someone created a long time ago on Facebook
is a prime example of the pointlessness of creating an account everywhere
just to exist on some social network.
As E. Liddell well stated, I am not motivated to join Twitter, which is
closed source, closed protocol, centralized under the control of a
corporation that needs to make money. I prefer using a decentralized open
source platform because it is in line with our thoughts. Therefore,
Mastodon seems like a good platform where there could be like-minded
people that our project could reach.
I will look forward to your other opinions.
Cheers
--
Slávek
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular
than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while
@gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar
enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did
stumble across this:
https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
P.S. Any progress on the GMAIL problem?
____________________________________________________ 
3:38 a.m.
Yes, sure, Twitter is bigger. But I don't like the
fact that it's a
commercial project where voluntarily joined users become "goods" and
everything depends on the will of the owner. At the same time, I observe
that there is an increased interest in Mastodon at this time. And that
seems to me to be a better option to motivate people to join to Mastodon
instead of Twitter.
When I look at KDE and GNOME on Mastodon, yes, the current numbers are
noticeably lower - @kde@floss.social has 12k followers (joined Oct 07,
2022! - see https://floss.social/@kde) and @gnome@floss.social has 9.1k
followers (joined Jul 09, 2018 - see https://floss.social/@gnome). But
here's also the fact that you don't need anything special to follow posts
on Mastodon - you don't even need to create an account, because you can
follow using regular RSS - see https://floss.social/@kde.rss - that's
another thing I like. So, next to the counted followers, there may be
other users following using rss.
The opinion from Michael that we should enter "all" social networks seems
quite unrealistic. This would require a lot of effort, and I believe it
would be questionable whether it would have any real benefit. Also, I
don't agree that we should join social networks that contradict our ideas
just because those networks exist. The unmaintained "trinitydesktop"
account mentioned by Dan that someone created a long time ago on Facebook
is a prime example of the pointlessness of creating an account everywhere
just to exist on some social network.
As E. Liddell well stated, I am not motivated to join Twitter, which is
closed source, closed protocol, centralized under the control of a
corporation that needs to make money. I prefer using a decentralized open
source platform because it is in line with our thoughts. Therefore,
Mastodon seems like a good platform where there could be like-minded
people that our project could reach.
I will look forward to your other opinions.
Hi all,
I have read all replies and value them all.
A few things to consider:
1) resources required to run the channel
2) level of the people we want to target
3) what kind of exposure we want to have
IMO we should start small, predominantly with a tech channel where developers can post
news about new features, bug
fixes, news, ... and the target audience should be mostly people who have some tech
knowledge of Linux. Hopefully this
will help to keep the conversation on polite and interesting topic, avoiding the useless
chit-chat and hate so often
seen in lots of online posts on more famous platforms.
More exposure is good for the project, but whether there are 50 users or 1 million users,
TDE will go on, as long as
there are some devs working on it. More exposure may bring more devs along, that would be
great. But it could also bring
more "new" users who don't know anything about the history of the project
and flood the ML or the channel with stuff
like "move to QT6, move to plasma, Qt3 is unsafe, blah blah blah" and we will
need to deal with that.
Overall Mastodon seems a good place to start from. Then we can see what to do next.
Maybe we can have an official channel on Mastodon where developers actively post and
unofficial channels on other
platform created and maintained by the community.
As for the Facebook page, does anyone know who owns it? Is it Tim?
Cheers
Michele
4:39 p.m.
On Friday 09 December 2022 07:20:50 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi Slávek,
You might want to release my post on 12/09/22 09:41:34 from moderator jail,
AFAICT it never made it to the list for anyone to see.
The key word is “want” not “should.” I also wrote:
The opinion from Michael that we should enter
"all" social networks seems
quite unrealistic.
Yes it would be, but your summation above is incorrect, this is what I wrote.
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
Does it seem
like a good idea for us to have an official communication
channel for our project on [social media]? What is your opinion on this?
If we want more users of TDE, then yes.
some time ago I was thinking about whether we
want to become an active
member of social networks with our project.
If yes above, then we would want to be on all the social media platforms.
Even the ones we disagree with. As Bill indicated, they are not mutual
exclusive. That said, members time and ideological alignment will be the
ultimate factor in which ones we stay active on. To me, I think we’re at the stage of asking do we have
any volunteers to be
an admin and moderators for any of the above? My best guess is we’d need
at least two people per platform to keep it ‘alive.’
Yes, you would have to be an ‘owner’ class member of every social media
account (e.g. to solve the Dan/Facebook issue), but only those platforms that
have volunteers would be created. When/If platforms lose their volunteers,
then a simple “posting suspended until volunteers are again available”
message suffices to maintain its existence.
You personally would never have to post to any social media except for the one
you deem the ‘original source’ account. (If Mastodon is it, then you’re
completely welcome to use tde-mirror-01.inet-design.com for Mastodon’s server
needs.) All volunteers are then able to cross post content from
the ‘original source’ account to the platform they are managing.
Closing thoughts
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2022 07:34:32 pm Slávek Banko
wrote:
> I assume that it would help to "make us
visible"
Personal opinion (e.g. no research to back it up),
getting included in
polls for, “What's your favourite desktop?” is most likely a far better use
of the project’s time. Example:
https://opensource.com/article/20/5/linux-desktops
Is the goal of joining social media not to "make us visible?" Facebook,
YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools. No one is asking
anyone to use, or run an account on, any platform they don’t want to, so why
the {snipped to next post because quite frankly it’s off topic}
Best Regards All,
Michael
16 Dec
16 Dec
10:18 a.m.
Dne so 10. prosince 2022 17:39:12 Michael napsal(a):
On Friday 09 December 2022 07:20:50 pm Slávek Banko
wrote:
Hi Slávek,
You might want to release my post on 12/09/22 09:41:34 from moderator
jail, AFAICT it never made it to the list for anyone to see.
The key word is “want” not “should.” I also wrote:
Hi all,
thanks to everyone for the responses and to Michael for correcting me - I
misread and misunderstood.
So the consensus seems to be that it will be good to maintain our presence
where it makes sense and where it looks like we have sufficient resources
to maintain content. So for now I would move forward with an account on
Mastodon. If you manage to get access to the account that is on Facebook,
that will be good. We will see how it goes.
For Mastodon, I intend to create an account on floss.social, as that seems
to be an appropriate place for our focus. So far I haven't considered
creating our own instance of Mastodon server. If it turns out that it
makes sense to set up our own instance, we can deal with that afterwards.
Cheers
--
Slávek
The opinion from Michael that we should enter
"all" social networks
seems quite unrealistic.
Yes it would be, but your summation above is incorrect, this is what I
wrote.
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
Does it
seem like a good idea for us to have an official
communication channel for our project on [social media]? What is
your opinion on this?
If we want more users of TDE, then yes.
some time ago I was thinking about whether we
want to become an
active member of social networks with our project.
If yes above, then we would want to be on all the social media
platforms. Even the ones we disagree with. As Bill indicated, they
are not mutual exclusive. That said, members time and ideological
alignment will be the ultimate factor in which ones we stay active on. To me, I think we’re at the stage of asking do we
have any volunteers
to be an admin and moderators for any of the above? My best guess is
we’d need at least two people per platform to keep it ‘alive.’
Yes, you would have to be an ‘owner’ class member of every social media
account (e.g. to solve the Dan/Facebook issue), but only those platforms
that have volunteers would be created. When/If platforms lose their
volunteers, then a simple “posting suspended until volunteers are again
available” message suffices to maintain its existence.
You personally would never have to post to any social media except for
the one you deem the ‘original source’ account. (If Mastodon is it,
then you’re completely welcome to use tde-mirror-01.inet-design.com for
Mastodon’s server needs.) All volunteers are then able to cross post
content from the ‘original source’ account to the platform they are
managing.
Closing thoughts
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2022 07:34:32 pm Slávek
Banko wrote:
Is the goal of joining social media not to "make us visible?" Facebook,
YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools. No one is
asking anyone to use, or run an account on, any platform they don’t want
to, so why the {snipped to next post because quite frankly it’s off
topic}
Best Regards All,
Michael
____________________________________________________ I assume that it would help to "make us
visible"
Personal opinion (e.g. no research to back it up), getting included in
polls for, “What's your favourite desktop?” is most likely a far
better use of the project’s time. Example:
https://opensource.com/article/20/5/linux-desktops
3:37 p.m.
On Friday 16 December 2022 04:18:23 am Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne so 10. prosince 2022 17:39:12 Michael napsal(a):
I'm not sure who 'you' is, but if someone does get access to the existing
Facebook account, or even creates a new one, do notify me. I’ll go see if I
can dig up a way to setup auto-crossposting from Mastodon to Facebook. Same
with any other social media the group wants to use.
Facebook,
YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools.
So the consensus seems to be that it will be good to maintain our presence
where it makes sense and where it looks like we have sufficient resources
to maintain content. So for now I would move forward with an account on
Mastodon. If you manage to get access to the account that is on Facebook,
that will be good. We will see how it goes. For Mastodon, I intend to create an account on
floss.social, as that seems
to be an appropriate place for our focus. So far I haven't considered
creating our own instance of Mastodon server. If it turns out that it
makes sense to set up our own instance, we can deal with that afterwards.
That sound like the best option. The [little] bit I’ve read says transferring
your Mastodon ‘account?’ from one instance to another is doable, easy-ish,
and doesn’t lose any data.
Thanks Slávek for taking the time to expand TDE’s presence!
Best,
Michael
4:23 p.m.
On Friday 16 December 2022 07:37:38 Michael wrote:
On Friday 16 December 2022 04:18:23 am Slávek Banko
wrote:
The devs should not have to take on the burden of setting up and maintaining
multiple social network accounts. That is a waste of time and resources.
Mastodon definitely seems the best fit for our collective purposes.
Just let the devs post to our "official communication channel"; then let other
people take up the work of auto-crossposting, or maintaining other social
media accounts (the "unofficial communication channels").
Perhaps a standard disclaimer would be in order, for those unofficial
channels, or some kind of links pointing back to the official account; but
otherwise, I say let the developers do what they do best, which is to make
TDE even better than it is now.
Besides, there have been other places online - I am thinking of my own first
steps in running Linux - where the official channels tend to be too technical
for beginners, and the unofficial channels are a better place to start.
This will keep things relatively simple, but adaptable.
Bill
Dne so 10. prosince 2022 17:39:12 Michael
napsal(a):
I'm not sure who 'you' is, but if someone does get access to the existing
Facebook account, or even creates a new one, do notify me. I’ll go see if
I can dig up a way to setup auto-crossposting from Mastodon to Facebook.
Same with any other social media the group wants to use.
Facebook,
YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools.
So the consensus seems to be that it will be good to maintain our
presence where it makes sense and where it looks like we have sufficient
resources to maintain content. So for now I would move forward with an
account on Mastodon. If you manage to get access to the account that is
on Facebook, that will be good. We will see how it goes. For Mastodon, I intend to create an account on
floss.social, as that
seems to be an appropriate place for our focus. So far I haven't
considered creating our own instance of Mastodon server. If it turns out
that it makes sense to set up our own instance, we can deal with that
afterwards.
That sound like the best option. The [little] bit I’ve read says
transferring your Mastodon ‘account?’ from one instance to another is
doable, easy-ish, and doesn’t lose any data.
Thanks Slávek for taking the time to expand TDE’s presence!
Best,
Michael 
9 Dec
9 Dec
2:29 a.m.
On 2022-12-08 19:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active
member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and
Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been
thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and
pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this
platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects
like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be
published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some
useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and
community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Cheers
I think that Mastodon might be worth a try. I certainly wouldn't want to use the
others.
Leslie
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Hardware: x86_64
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.13
tde-config: 1.0
6:45 a.m.
Anno domini 2022 Fri, 9 Dec 02:34:32 +0100
Slávek Banko scripsit:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active
member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and
Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been
thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and
pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this
platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects
like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be
published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some
useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and
community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
If "somebody" has the resources to mantain it, yes. At least it'd be a good
try :)
Nik
Cheers
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7:13 a.m.
On Friday 09 December 2022 07.45:36 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
If "somebody" has the resources to mantain
it, yes. At least it'd be a good
try :)
I have no reason to oppose, but I won't be there. I tried Mastodon and could
not understand how that works - and I don't use my phone for messenging as
far as I can.
Thierry
2:26 p.m.
On 12/8/22 5:34 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Nothing wrong with being on Mastodon, but if you're looking for exposure,
that's not going to do much. We need to go where the people are.
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and
hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if
he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a
little more active. If not, a new page could easily be created, either
official or unofficial.
https://www.facebook.com/trinitydesktop
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16 Dec
16 Dec
9:47 p.m.
On 2022-12-09 08:26:45 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/8/22 5:34 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
As an alternative to Facebook, there is a federated service called Friendica
<https://friendi.ca/> that is to Facebook what Mastodon is to Twitter. It might be
interesting to take a look at that as well.
Leslie
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Platform: GNU/Linux
Hardware: x86_64
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.4
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.13
tde-config: 1.0
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Nothing wrong with being on Mastodon, but if you're looking for exposure,
that's not going to do much. We need to go where the people are.
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and
hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if
he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a
little more active. If not, a new page could easily be created, either
official or unofficial.
https://www.facebook.com/trinitydesktop 
22 Dec
22 Dec
1:55 p.m.
Have you heard any reply? I would love to run the Trinity DE "official facebook
page", I feel like it could potentially bring a lot more eyes to the project even if
it isnt ideal to be on a mainstream social media platform
9 Oct
9 Oct
9:07 p.m.
On 12/9/22 6:26 AM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has
very little activity, and
hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if
he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a
little more active.
https://www.facebook.com/trinitydesktop
The owner of this Facebook page recently replied to my message, and gave me
full admin access to the page. I haven't done anything with it yet, as I
was traveling and am still getting reoriented after returning home. My idea
is to orient it mostly toward publicity and promotion of TDE, and steer most
support issues toward this mailing list. I'm open to suggestions if anyone
has any. Absent a better idea, I may start by cross-posting the Mastodon
posts; Michael mentioned there may be a way to do that automatically, and
that would be great if it exists.
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10:28 p.m.
On Monday 09 October 2023 14:07:06 Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
On 12/9/22 6:26 AM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
No objections from me if we have unofficial pages all over the place on social
networks. However, I believe that we ought to avoid such corporate
entanglements for any official pages. Let us communicate through Mastodon,
and keep clear of Facebook/Meta and their ilk.
Just my own opinion; others may disagree.
Bill
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It
has very little activity,
and hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've
asked if he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could
make it a little more active.
https://www.facebook.com/trinitydesktop
The owner of this Facebook page recently replied to my message, and gave me
full admin access to the page. I haven't done anything with it yet, as I
was traveling and am still getting reoriented after returning home. My
idea is to orient it mostly toward publicity and promotion of TDE, and
steer most support issues toward this mailing list. I'm open to
suggestions if anyone has any. Absent a better idea, I may start by
cross-posting the Mastodon posts; Michael mentioned there may be a way to
do that automatically, and that would be great if it exists. 
10 Oct
10 Oct
2:29 a.m.
On 10/9/23 17:09, Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
On 12/9/22 6:26 AM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
Will that facebookk membership be made mandatory? Facebook and ZuckerB
are on my list of do no business with, I value my privacy and do not
intend to give Mrrc and his partners in the sale of what s/b private
data any more info than they can get from a whois or dig search.
I am not registered there, so I cannot look at your link as its asking
for a username and passwd.
I'm open to suggestions if anyone
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It
has very little activity, and
hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if
he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a
little more active.
https://www.facebook.com/trinitydesktop
The owner of this Facebook page recently replied to my message, and gave me
full admin access to the page. I haven't done anything with it yet, as I
was traveling and am still getting reoriented after returning home. My idea
is to orient it mostly toward publicity and promotion of TDE, and steer most
support issues toward this mailing list. has any. Absent a better idea, I may start by
cross-posting the Mastodon
posts; Michael mentioned there may be a way to do that automatically, and
that would be great if it exists.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
5:13 a.m.
On Tuesday 10 October 2023 04.29:12 gene heskett via tde-users wrote:
Facebook and ZuckerB
are on my list of do no business with
Me too
I am not registered there, so I cannot look at your
link as its asking
for a username and passwd.
You can look at the page (you just close that pop up asking for a username)
but AFAIK you can't do more than read the main page.
As to the page itself, I don't really care if there is one. Some people around
me believe a presence on Facebook is important - I read that youg people now
prefer Instagram...
I am on no social media, so my opinion about them has little value.
Thierry
9 Dec
9 Dec
3:41 p.m.
On Thursday 08 December 2022 07:34:32 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on [social media]? What is your opinion on this?
If we want more users of TDE, then yes.
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to
become an active
member of social networks with our project.
If yes above, then we would want to be on all the social media platforms.
Even the ones we disagree with. As Bill indicated, they are not mutual
exclusive. That said, members time and ideological alignment will be the
ultimate factor in which ones we stay active on.
In general, setting up a social media account is a pita, but once a person
knows the platform, the day to day (re-)posting isn’t that time consuming.
What can be time consuming is replying to comments and answering questions.
Marketing stats are never consistently reported, as one firm will
report ‘total’ users registered and one will report unique logins per day.
That said, here’s some unverified marketing stats*:
Facebook: 2-3 billion monthly active users / 1 billion active users every day
YouTube: 1.9+ billion people use on a regular basis / 2 billion monthly users
Instagram: 1 billion users / 1 billion users every day
Twitter: 330 million active users worldwide / 4.48 billion monthly users
Pinterest: 322+ million monthly active users / 291 million active users /
450+ million monthly users
LinkedIn: 300+ million users / 310+ million monthly users
Reddit: {didn’t dig deep enough}
Quora: {didn’t dig deep enough}
See also at bottom, “The 23 Top Social Media Sites in the World.” **
# # #
To me, I think we’re at the stage of asking do we have any volunteers to be an
admin and moderators for any of the above? My best guess is we’d need at
least two people per platform to keep it ‘alive.’
# # #
Associated:
Personal opinion (e.g. no research to back it up), getting included in polls
for, “What's your favourite desktop?” is most likely a far better use of the
project’s time. Example: https://opensource.com/article/20/5/linux-desktops
Best All,
Michael
* Swiped from
https://www.lyfemarketing.com/blog/best-social-media-platforms/
https://optinmonster.com/best-social-media-platforms-for-business/
https://www.webfx.com/social-media/learn/which-social-media-platforms-are-r…
** From:
https://www.oberlo.com/blog/social-media-sites
“the top 23 social media sites in 2021 and ranked by the number of monthly
active users:”
Facebook – 2.32 Billion
YouTube – 1.9 Billion
Whatsapp – 1.6 Billion
Messenger – 1.3 Billion
WeChat – 1.01 Billion
Instagram – 1 Billion
QQ – 807 Million
Qzone – 532 Million
TikTok – 500 Million
Sina Weibo – 462 Million
Tumblr – 437 Million
Reddit – 430 Million
Twitter – 330 Million
LinkedIn – 303 Million
Douban – 300 Million
Baidu Tieba – 300 Million
Snapchat – 287 Million
Viber – 260 Million
Pinterest – 250 Million
Discord – 250 Million
Telegram – 200 Million
Line – 165 Million
Medium – 60 Million
6:26 p.m.
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 7:34:32 PM CST Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an
official communication
channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I agree that
proprietary platforms like Facebook or Twitter are no-goes.
Projects using these are like how some also use Discord for communication when
we have great FOSS alternatives like Matrix or XMPP. I think a Mastodon
account would work well for us.
23 Dec
23 Dec
8:32 p.m.
On 09/12/2022 01:34, Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active
member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and
Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been
thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Personally, I like being part of a small, niche market that concentrates
on it's core driver.
If we get onto social networks, do we get to tell the world what we did
today? Share photos of the great meal we have just eaten, even before we
have had time to digest it? Perhaps write reams and reams about
something, anything, nothing ....... :-)
In the words of the song, "call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye ....."
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy
Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
--
Michael Howard.
10:16 p.m.
New subject: Do we want to participate in social networks? [offtopic]
On Friday 23 December 2022 02:32:11 pm Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy
Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
Ah, but who's New Year?
Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were
so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat
Shaka Samvat
Kali Yuga
Hijri
Buddhist
Japanese
Chinese
Hebrew
Gregorian
Pawukon
Ethiopian
Persian
Anyway, Happy Winter solstice, Christmas, Hanukkah, or whatever your celebrate
and a Happy New Year!
Best,
Michael
10:35 p.m.
New subject: Do we want to participate in social networks? [offtopic]
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
Which got me interested in how many calendars there
were. Who knew there were
so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat
Shaka Samvat
Kali Yuga
Hijri
Buddhist
Japanese
Chinese
Hebrew
Gregorian
Pawukon
Ethiopian
Persian
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
--
PGP key: http://homestead-products.com/pubkey.htm
10:44 p.m.
New subject: Do we want to participate in social networks? [offtopic]
On 23/12/2022 22:35, Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
> Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were
> so many! The short, not complete list:
>
> Vikram Samvat
> Shaka Samvat
> Kali Yuga
> Hijri
> Buddhist
> Japanese
> Chinese
> Hebrew
> Gregorian
> Pawukon
> Ethiopian
> Persian
Wow.
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
Can't argue with that!
--
Michael Howard.
24 Dec
24 Dec
1:13 a.m.
New subject: Do we want to participate in social networks? [offtopic]
On 12/23/22 17:36, Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
So would I. Its -2F here in West Virginia, USA. Time to hibernate.
But then I'm a little old school and don't care whose upset with a Merry
Christmas everybody. ;o)>
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
--
"There are four boxes to be used in defense of liberty:
soap, ballot, jury, and ammo. Please use in that order."
-Ed Howdershelt (Author, 1940)
If we desire respect for the law, we must first make the law respectable.
- Louis D. Brandeis
Genes Web page <http://geneslinuxbox.net:6309/>
Which got me interested in how many calendars
there were. Who knew there were
so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat
Shaka Samvat
Kali Yuga
Hijri
Buddhist
Japanese
Chinese
Hebrew
Gregorian
Pawukon
Ethiopian
Persian
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
1:42 a.m.
New subject: Do we want to participate in social networks? [offtopic]
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Cheers, Gene Heskett.
And to you, yours, and everyone.
The Solstice has passed, summer will return.
Peace.
Curt-
- --
You may my glories and my state dispose,
But not my griefs; still am I king of those.
--- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
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1:53 p.m.
New subject: Do we want to participate in social networks? [offtopic]
On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 14:35:32 -0800
Dan Youngquist <dan(a)homestead-products.com> wrote:
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
Alas, the seasons pay no attention to the calendar, just like the sun doesn't
care
about wall clock time. It's probably just as well, or you'd have people adding
ten pages of say, June to their calendar, and making the climate go even more
off-course than it is already. ;P
E. Liddell
Which got me interested in how many calendars
there were. Who knew there were
so many! The short, not complete list:
[snip]
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
23 Dec
23 Dec
11:19 p.m.
On Friday 23 December 2022 12:32:11 Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
On 09/12/2022 01:34, Slávek Banko wrote:
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy
Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
Nollaig shonas dhuit! *
[because if you say anything in Irish Gaelic, it sounds totally pagan!]
Bill
* P.S. pronounced in English letters, approximately, Nollagh hoona thoo!
24 Dec
24 Dec
2:57 a.m.
Personally, I like being part of a small, niche market
that concentrates on it's core driver.
If we get onto social networks, do we get to tell the world what we did today? Share
photos of the great meal we have
just eaten, even before we have had time to digest it? Perhaps write reams and reams
about something, anything, nothing
....... :-)
In the words of the song, "call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye ....."
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy Holidays or maybe
..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
We have in fact launched the @tde channel on floss already, but we had yet to announce it
officially (Slavek is
preparing [I hope :-) ] a nice announcement email.
The contents will definitely be of technical nature, I doubt you will never know what we
ate for dinner last night on
that channel :-P
If you want a quick preview, you can check out the channel (and its few announcements so
far) on
https://floss.social/@tde or subscribed to an RSS feed at https://floss.social/@tde.rss
(this second way do not require
an account on floss, but you won't be able to reply back I believe).
As for other platforms, community maintained effort will be welcome as we discussed in
previous emails. Feel free to
repost or link official announcements from the official Mastodon channel.
Cheers
Michele
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