Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Cheers
On Thursday 08 December 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Cheers
I am all for promoting TDE in order to keep it alive, so that I myself (and everybody else) can continue using it. Social networks sound like a good idea. Twitter, Facebook, etc., however, are bloodsucking leeches, and I want nothing to do with anything like them.
I hear good things about Mastodon; never used it. Just so long as it respects users' privacy, is secure, decentralized, GNU/Linux free/libre (or at least compatible with these), and can be used over Tor (and/or VPNs, for those who prefer), then it sounds good.
We need to keep moving forward, right? Otherwise, the project dies. Whatever will keep us moving forward, while sticking with those basic values: that sounds like a good idea.
Bill
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while @gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
P.S. Any progress on the GMAIL problem?
On 2022-12-08 08:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while @gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
As much as I hate Twitter, I do agree that Twitter shouldn't be off the list. I know far more people who use Twitter than any who use a Mastodon instance. If we truly wanna get a word out there on Trinity, Twitter is a better candidate, even with it's many flaws.
That's not to say Mastodon isn't a good one either. It's a nice alternative and there are a lot of people who use it, but twitters' reach is far more. Both is good.
Anno domini 2022 Thu, 08 Dec 20:39:45 -0600 Wirlaburla via tde-users scripsit:
On 2022-12-08 08:27 PM, Mike Bird wrote:
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while @gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
As much as I hate Twitter, I do agree that Twitter shouldn't be off the list. I know far more people who use Twitter than any who use a Mastodon instance. If we truly wanna get a word out there on Trinity, Twitter is a better candidate, even with it's many flaws.
Twitter seams to come to it's senses with its new owner.
Nik
That's not to say Mastodon isn't a good one either. It's a nice alternative and there are a lot of people who use it, but twitters' reach is far more. Both is good.
On Thu, 8 Dec 2022 18:27:08 -0800 Mike Bird mgb-trinity@yosemite.net wrote:
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while @gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
It's functionally impossible to count the number of users on Mastodon because there is no central control, and server operators are under no obligation to report their user counts (although many do). The numbers currently being thrown around are in the 1-3 million range, but that doesn't mean they're accurate.
One thing to keep in mind is that the users on Mastodon tend to skew technical (or at least tech-friendly), whereas a lot of users on Twitter et al. wouldn't know Linux, much less TDE, from a hole in the ground. There was actually something of an exodus of technical users from Twitter to Mastodon after the recent shakeup at the former. So Twitter might have more users, but Mastodon users are more likely to be interested in TDE.
I'm cautiously in favour of an official TDE Mastodon account, if Slávek or someone else involved in the project is willing to run it. The worst that can happen is that it gets no traction. And I don't blame Slávek for not wanting to engage with Twitter, which has problems right now that go beyond being closed source, closed-protocol, and centralized under control of a corporation.
The question, as posed, was not "Mastodon or Twitter?", it was "Mastodon or status quo (nothing)?" I think we should assume that Twitter is off the table for the present.
E. Liddell
Dne pá 9. prosince 2022 03:27:08 Mike Bird napsal(a):
On Thu December 8 2022 17:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I'm on Twitter. It's far from perfect but TTBOMK much more popular than Mastodon. @kdecommunity has 114K followers on Twitter while @gnome has 187K.
What sort of numbers do they have on Mastodon? I'm not familiar enough with Mastodon to find those numbers quickly although I did stumble across this: https://social.anoxinon.de/@gnulinux/109471420784742781
--Mike
P.S. Any progress on the GMAIL problem? ____________________________________________________
Thanks to everyone who has already responded.
Yes, sure, Twitter is bigger. But I don't like the fact that it's a commercial project where voluntarily joined users become "goods" and everything depends on the will of the owner. At the same time, I observe that there is an increased interest in Mastodon at this time. And that seems to me to be a better option to motivate people to join to Mastodon instead of Twitter.
When I look at KDE and GNOME on Mastodon, yes, the current numbers are noticeably lower - @kde@floss.social has 12k followers (joined Oct 07, 2022! - see https://floss.social/@kde) and @gnome@floss.social has 9.1k followers (joined Jul 09, 2018 - see https://floss.social/@gnome). But here's also the fact that you don't need anything special to follow posts on Mastodon - you don't even need to create an account, because you can follow using regular RSS - see https://floss.social/@kde.rss - that's another thing I like. So, next to the counted followers, there may be other users following using rss.
The opinion from Michael that we should enter "all" social networks seems quite unrealistic. This would require a lot of effort, and I believe it would be questionable whether it would have any real benefit. Also, I don't agree that we should join social networks that contradict our ideas just because those networks exist. The unmaintained "trinitydesktop" account mentioned by Dan that someone created a long time ago on Facebook is a prime example of the pointlessness of creating an account everywhere just to exist on some social network.
As E. Liddell well stated, I am not motivated to join Twitter, which is closed source, closed protocol, centralized under the control of a corporation that needs to make money. I prefer using a decentralized open source platform because it is in line with our thoughts. Therefore, Mastodon seems like a good platform where there could be like-minded people that our project could reach.
I will look forward to your other opinions.
Cheers
Yes, sure, Twitter is bigger. But I don't like the fact that it's a commercial project where voluntarily joined users become "goods" and everything depends on the will of the owner. At the same time, I observe that there is an increased interest in Mastodon at this time. And that seems to me to be a better option to motivate people to join to Mastodon instead of Twitter.
When I look at KDE and GNOME on Mastodon, yes, the current numbers are noticeably lower - @kde@floss.social has 12k followers (joined Oct 07, 2022! - see https://floss.social/@kde) and @gnome@floss.social has 9.1k followers (joined Jul 09, 2018 - see https://floss.social/@gnome). But here's also the fact that you don't need anything special to follow posts on Mastodon - you don't even need to create an account, because you can follow using regular RSS - see https://floss.social/@kde.rss - that's another thing I like. So, next to the counted followers, there may be other users following using rss.
The opinion from Michael that we should enter "all" social networks seems quite unrealistic. This would require a lot of effort, and I believe it would be questionable whether it would have any real benefit. Also, I don't agree that we should join social networks that contradict our ideas just because those networks exist. The unmaintained "trinitydesktop" account mentioned by Dan that someone created a long time ago on Facebook is a prime example of the pointlessness of creating an account everywhere just to exist on some social network.
As E. Liddell well stated, I am not motivated to join Twitter, which is closed source, closed protocol, centralized under the control of a corporation that needs to make money. I prefer using a decentralized open source platform because it is in line with our thoughts. Therefore, Mastodon seems like a good platform where there could be like-minded people that our project could reach.
I will look forward to your other opinions.
Hi all, I have read all replies and value them all.
A few things to consider: 1) resources required to run the channel 2) level of the people we want to target 3) what kind of exposure we want to have
IMO we should start small, predominantly with a tech channel where developers can post news about new features, bug fixes, news, ... and the target audience should be mostly people who have some tech knowledge of Linux. Hopefully this will help to keep the conversation on polite and interesting topic, avoiding the useless chit-chat and hate so often seen in lots of online posts on more famous platforms.
More exposure is good for the project, but whether there are 50 users or 1 million users, TDE will go on, as long as there are some devs working on it. More exposure may bring more devs along, that would be great. But it could also bring more "new" users who don't know anything about the history of the project and flood the ML or the channel with stuff like "move to QT6, move to plasma, Qt3 is unsafe, blah blah blah" and we will need to deal with that.
Overall Mastodon seems a good place to start from. Then we can see what to do next. Maybe we can have an official channel on Mastodon where developers actively post and unofficial channels on other platform created and maintained by the community.
As for the Facebook page, does anyone know who owns it? Is it Tim?
Cheers Michele
On Friday 09 December 2022 07:20:50 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi Slávek,
You might want to release my post on 12/09/22 09:41:34 from moderator jail, AFAICT it never made it to the list for anyone to see.
The opinion from Michael that we should enter "all" social networks seems quite unrealistic.
Yes it would be, but your summation above is incorrect, this is what I wrote.
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on [social media]? What is your opinion on this?
If we want more users of TDE, then yes.
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project.
If yes above, then we would want to be on all the social media platforms. Even the ones we disagree with. As Bill indicated, they are not mutual exclusive. That said, members time and ideological alignment will be the ultimate factor in which ones we stay active on.
The key word is “want” not “should.” I also wrote:
To me, I think we’re at the stage of asking do we have any volunteers to be an admin and moderators for any of the above? My best guess is we’d need at least two people per platform to keep it ‘alive.’
Yes, you would have to be an ‘owner’ class member of every social media account (e.g. to solve the Dan/Facebook issue), but only those platforms that have volunteers would be created. When/If platforms lose their volunteers, then a simple “posting suspended until volunteers are again available” message suffices to maintain its existence.
You personally would never have to post to any social media except for the one you deem the ‘original source’ account. (If Mastodon is it, then you’re completely welcome to use tde-mirror-01.inet-design.com for Mastodon’s server needs.) All volunteers are then able to cross post content from the ‘original source’ account to the platform they are managing.
Closing thoughts
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2022 07:34:32 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
I assume that it would help to "make us visible"
Personal opinion (e.g. no research to back it up), getting included in polls for, “What's your favourite desktop?” is most likely a far better use of the project’s time. Example: https://opensource.com/article/20/5/linux-desktops
Is the goal of joining social media not to "make us visible?" Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools. No one is asking anyone to use, or run an account on, any platform they don’t want to, so why the {snipped to next post because quite frankly it’s off topic}
Best Regards All, Michael
Dne so 10. prosince 2022 17:39:12 Michael napsal(a):
On Friday 09 December 2022 07:20:50 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi Slávek,
You might want to release my post on 12/09/22 09:41:34 from moderator jail, AFAICT it never made it to the list for anyone to see.
The opinion from Michael that we should enter "all" social networks seems quite unrealistic.
Yes it would be, but your summation above is incorrect, this is what I wrote.
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on [social media]? What is your opinion on this?
If we want more users of TDE, then yes.
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project.
If yes above, then we would want to be on all the social media platforms. Even the ones we disagree with. As Bill indicated, they are not mutual exclusive. That said, members time and ideological alignment will be the ultimate factor in which ones we stay active on.
The key word is “want” not “should.” I also wrote:
To me, I think we’re at the stage of asking do we have any volunteers to be an admin and moderators for any of the above? My best guess is we’d need at least two people per platform to keep it ‘alive.’
Yes, you would have to be an ‘owner’ class member of every social media account (e.g. to solve the Dan/Facebook issue), but only those platforms that have volunteers would be created. When/If platforms lose their volunteers, then a simple “posting suspended until volunteers are again available” message suffices to maintain its existence.
You personally would never have to post to any social media except for the one you deem the ‘original source’ account. (If Mastodon is it, then you’re completely welcome to use tde-mirror-01.inet-design.com for Mastodon’s server needs.) All volunteers are then able to cross post content from the ‘original source’ account to the platform they are managing.
Closing thoughts
On Friday 09 December 2022 09:41:34 am Michael wrote:
On Thursday 08 December 2022 07:34:32 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
I assume that it would help to "make us visible"
Personal opinion (e.g. no research to back it up), getting included in polls for, “What's your favourite desktop?” is most likely a far better use of the project’s time. Example: https://opensource.com/article/20/5/linux-desktops
Is the goal of joining social media not to "make us visible?" Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools. No one is asking anyone to use, or run an account on, any platform they don’t want to, so why the {snipped to next post because quite frankly it’s off topic}
Best Regards All, Michael ____________________________________________________
Hi all,
thanks to everyone for the responses and to Michael for correcting me - I misread and misunderstood.
So the consensus seems to be that it will be good to maintain our presence where it makes sense and where it looks like we have sufficient resources to maintain content. So for now I would move forward with an account on Mastodon. If you manage to get access to the account that is on Facebook, that will be good. We will see how it goes.
For Mastodon, I intend to create an account on floss.social, as that seems to be an appropriate place for our focus. So far I haven't considered creating our own instance of Mastodon server. If it turns out that it makes sense to set up our own instance, we can deal with that afterwards.
Cheers
On Friday 16 December 2022 04:18:23 am Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne so 10. prosince 2022 17:39:12 Michael napsal(a):
Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools.
So the consensus seems to be that it will be good to maintain our presence where it makes sense and where it looks like we have sufficient resources to maintain content. So for now I would move forward with an account on Mastodon. If you manage to get access to the account that is on Facebook, that will be good. We will see how it goes.
I'm not sure who 'you' is, but if someone does get access to the existing Facebook account, or even creates a new one, do notify me. I’ll go see if I can dig up a way to setup auto-crossposting from Mastodon to Facebook. Same with any other social media the group wants to use.
For Mastodon, I intend to create an account on floss.social, as that seems to be an appropriate place for our focus. So far I haven't considered creating our own instance of Mastodon server. If it turns out that it makes sense to set up our own instance, we can deal with that afterwards.
That sound like the best option. The [little] bit I’ve read says transferring your Mastodon ‘account?’ from one instance to another is doable, easy-ish, and doesn’t lose any data.
Thanks Slávek for taking the time to expand TDE’s presence!
Best, Michael
On Friday 16 December 2022 07:37:38 Michael wrote:
On Friday 16 December 2022 04:18:23 am Slávek Banko wrote:
Dne so 10. prosince 2022 17:39:12 Michael napsal(a):
Facebook, YouTube, Twitter, Reddit, Mastodon, et al., are just tools.
So the consensus seems to be that it will be good to maintain our presence where it makes sense and where it looks like we have sufficient resources to maintain content. So for now I would move forward with an account on Mastodon. If you manage to get access to the account that is on Facebook, that will be good. We will see how it goes.
I'm not sure who 'you' is, but if someone does get access to the existing Facebook account, or even creates a new one, do notify me. I’ll go see if I can dig up a way to setup auto-crossposting from Mastodon to Facebook. Same with any other social media the group wants to use.
For Mastodon, I intend to create an account on floss.social, as that seems to be an appropriate place for our focus. So far I haven't considered creating our own instance of Mastodon server. If it turns out that it makes sense to set up our own instance, we can deal with that afterwards.
That sound like the best option. The [little] bit I’ve read says transferring your Mastodon ‘account?’ from one instance to another is doable, easy-ish, and doesn’t lose any data.
Thanks Slávek for taking the time to expand TDE’s presence!
Best, Michael
The devs should not have to take on the burden of setting up and maintaining multiple social network accounts. That is a waste of time and resources. Mastodon definitely seems the best fit for our collective purposes.
Just let the devs post to our "official communication channel"; then let other people take up the work of auto-crossposting, or maintaining other social media accounts (the "unofficial communication channels").
Perhaps a standard disclaimer would be in order, for those unofficial channels, or some kind of links pointing back to the official account; but otherwise, I say let the developers do what they do best, which is to make TDE even better than it is now.
Besides, there have been other places online - I am thinking of my own first steps in running Linux - where the official channels tend to be too technical for beginners, and the unofficial channels are a better place to start.
This will keep things relatively simple, but adaptable.
Bill
On 2022-12-08 19:34:32 Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Cheers
I think that Mastodon might be worth a try. I certainly wouldn't want to use the others.
Leslie
Anno domini 2022 Fri, 9 Dec 02:34:32 +0100 Slávek Banko scripsit:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Mastodon is a decentralized platform for publishing short messages and pictures. It is based on open source architecture and therefore this platform is close to our ideas. You can see profiles of other projects like @kde@floss.social, @gnome@floss.social, and others.
I assume that it would help to "make us visible" and information could be published there, for example about the release of new versions, or some useful information regarding development, screenshots, solving issues and community info.
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
If "somebody" has the resources to mantain it, yes. At least it'd be a good try :)
Nik
Cheers
On Friday 09 December 2022 07.45:36 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
If "somebody" has the resources to mantain it, yes. At least it'd be a good try :)
I have no reason to oppose, but I won't be there. I tried Mastodon and could not understand how that works - and I don't use my phone for messenging as far as I can.
Thierry
On 12/8/22 5:34 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Nothing wrong with being on Mastodon, but if you're looking for exposure, that's not going to do much. We need to go where the people are.
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a little more active. If not, a new page could easily be created, either official or unofficial.
https://www.facebook.com/trinitydesktop
On 2022-12-09 08:26:45 Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/8/22 5:34 PM, Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
Nothing wrong with being on Mastodon, but if you're looking for exposure, that's not going to do much. We need to go where the people are.
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a little more active. If not, a new page could easily be created, either official or unofficial.
As an alternative to Facebook, there is a federated service called Friendica https://friendi.ca/ that is to Facebook what Mastodon is to Twitter. It might be interesting to take a look at that as well.
Leslie
Have you heard any reply? I would love to run the Trinity DE "official facebook page", I feel like it could potentially bring a lot more eyes to the project even if it isnt ideal to be on a mainstream social media platform
On 12/9/22 6:26 AM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a little more active.
The owner of this Facebook page recently replied to my message, and gave me full admin access to the page. I haven't done anything with it yet, as I was traveling and am still getting reoriented after returning home. My idea is to orient it mostly toward publicity and promotion of TDE, and steer most support issues toward this mailing list. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any. Absent a better idea, I may start by cross-posting the Mastodon posts; Michael mentioned there may be a way to do that automatically, and that would be great if it exists.
On Monday 09 October 2023 14:07:06 Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
On 12/9/22 6:26 AM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a little more active.
The owner of this Facebook page recently replied to my message, and gave me full admin access to the page. I haven't done anything with it yet, as I was traveling and am still getting reoriented after returning home. My idea is to orient it mostly toward publicity and promotion of TDE, and steer most support issues toward this mailing list. I'm open to suggestions if anyone has any. Absent a better idea, I may start by cross-posting the Mastodon posts; Michael mentioned there may be a way to do that automatically, and that would be great if it exists.
No objections from me if we have unofficial pages all over the place on social networks. However, I believe that we ought to avoid such corporate entanglements for any official pages. Let us communicate through Mastodon, and keep clear of Facebook/Meta and their ilk.
Just my own opinion; others may disagree.
Bill
On 10/9/23 17:09, Dan Youngquist via tde-users wrote:
On 12/9/22 6:26 AM, Dan Youngquist wrote:
There's already a Facebook page for TDE. It has very little activity, and hasn't had a post since 2019. I don't know who owns it, but I've asked if he'd be willing to add admins or transfer the page so we could make it a little more active.
The owner of this Facebook page recently replied to my message, and gave me full admin access to the page. I haven't done anything with it yet, as I was traveling and am still getting reoriented after returning home. My idea is to orient it mostly toward publicity and promotion of TDE, and steer most support issues toward this mailing list.
Will that facebookk membership be made mandatory? Facebook and ZuckerB are on my list of do no business with, I value my privacy and do not intend to give Mrrc and his partners in the sale of what s/b private data any more info than they can get from a whois or dig search.
I am not registered there, so I cannot look at your link as its asking for a username and passwd. I'm open to suggestions if anyone
has any. Absent a better idea, I may start by cross-posting the Mastodon posts; Michael mentioned there may be a way to do that automatically, and that would be great if it exists.
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
On Tuesday 10 October 2023 04.29:12 gene heskett via tde-users wrote:
Facebook and ZuckerB are on my list of do no business with
Me too
I am not registered there, so I cannot look at your link as its asking for a username and passwd.
You can look at the page (you just close that pop up asking for a username) but AFAIK you can't do more than read the main page.
As to the page itself, I don't really care if there is one. Some people around me believe a presence on Facebook is important - I read that youg people now prefer Instagram...
I am on no social media, so my opinion about them has little value.
Thierry
On Thursday 08 December 2022 07:34:32 pm Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on [social media]? What is your opinion on this?
If we want more users of TDE, then yes.
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project.
If yes above, then we would want to be on all the social media platforms. Even the ones we disagree with. As Bill indicated, they are not mutual exclusive. That said, members time and ideological alignment will be the ultimate factor in which ones we stay active on.
In general, setting up a social media account is a pita, but once a person knows the platform, the day to day (re-)posting isn’t that time consuming. What can be time consuming is replying to comments and answering questions.
Marketing stats are never consistently reported, as one firm will report ‘total’ users registered and one will report unique logins per day. That said, here’s some unverified marketing stats*:
Facebook: 2-3 billion monthly active users / 1 billion active users every day YouTube: 1.9+ billion people use on a regular basis / 2 billion monthly users Instagram: 1 billion users / 1 billion users every day Twitter: 330 million active users worldwide / 4.48 billion monthly users Pinterest: 322+ million monthly active users / 291 million active users / 450+ million monthly users LinkedIn: 300+ million users / 310+ million monthly users Reddit: {didn’t dig deep enough} Quora: {didn’t dig deep enough}
See also at bottom, “The 23 Top Social Media Sites in the World.” **
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To me, I think we’re at the stage of asking do we have any volunteers to be an admin and moderators for any of the above? My best guess is we’d need at least two people per platform to keep it ‘alive.’
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Associated:
Personal opinion (e.g. no research to back it up), getting included in polls for, “What's your favourite desktop?” is most likely a far better use of the project’s time. Example: https://opensource.com/article/20/5/linux-desktops
Best All, Michael
* Swiped from https://www.lyfemarketing.com/blog/best-social-media-platforms/ https://optinmonster.com/best-social-media-platforms-for-business/ https://www.webfx.com/social-media/learn/which-social-media-platforms-are-ri...
** From: https://www.oberlo.com/blog/social-media-sites “the top 23 social media sites in 2021 and ranked by the number of monthly active users:”
Facebook – 2.32 Billion YouTube – 1.9 Billion Whatsapp – 1.6 Billion Messenger – 1.3 Billion WeChat – 1.01 Billion Instagram – 1 Billion QQ – 807 Million Qzone – 532 Million TikTok – 500 Million Sina Weibo – 462 Million Tumblr – 437 Million Reddit – 430 Million Twitter – 330 Million LinkedIn – 303 Million Douban – 300 Million Baidu Tieba – 300 Million Snapchat – 287 Million Viber – 260 Million Pinterest – 250 Million Discord – 250 Million Telegram – 200 Million Line – 165 Million Medium – 60 Million
On Thursday, December 8, 2022 7:34:32 PM CST Slávek Banko wrote:
Does it seem like a good idea for us to have an official communication channel for our project on Mastodon? What is your opinion on this?
I agree that proprietary platforms like Facebook or Twitter are no-goes. Projects using these are like how some also use Discord for communication when we have great FOSS alternatives like Matrix or XMPP. I think a Mastodon account would work well for us.
On 09/12/2022 01:34, Slávek Banko wrote:
Hi all,
some time ago I was thinking about whether we want to become an active member of social networks with our project. Things like Facebook and Twitter have always been "no go" zones for me. However, I've been thinking about the Mastodon platform for a long time.
Personally, I like being part of a small, niche market that concentrates on it's core driver.
If we get onto social networks, do we get to tell the world what we did today? Share photos of the great meal we have just eaten, even before we have had time to digest it? Perhaps write reams and reams about something, anything, nothing ....... :-)
In the words of the song, "call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye ....."
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
On Friday 23 December 2022 02:32:11 pm Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
Ah, but who's New Year?
Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat Shaka Samvat Kali Yuga Hijri Buddhist Japanese Chinese Hebrew Gregorian Pawukon Ethiopian Persian
Anyway, Happy Winter solstice, Christmas, Hanukkah, or whatever your celebrate and a Happy New Year!
Best, Michael
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat Shaka Samvat Kali Yuga Hijri Buddhist Japanese Chinese Hebrew Gregorian Pawukon Ethiopian Persian
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
On 23/12/2022 22:35, Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat Shaka Samvat Kali Yuga Hijri Buddhist Japanese Chinese Hebrew Gregorian Pawukon Ethiopian Persian
Wow.
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
Can't argue with that!
On 12/23/22 17:36, Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were so many! The short, not complete list:
Vikram Samvat Shaka Samvat Kali Yuga Hijri Buddhist Japanese Chinese Hebrew Gregorian Pawukon Ethiopian Persian
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
So would I. Its -2F here in West Virginia, USA. Time to hibernate.
But then I'm a little old school and don't care whose upset with a Merry Christmas everybody. ;o)>
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
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Merry Christmas everybody. ;o)>
Cheers, Gene Heskett.
And to you, yours, and everyone.
The Solstice has passed, summer will return.
Peace.
Curt-
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
On Fri, 23 Dec 2022 14:35:32 -0800 Dan Youngquist dan@homestead-products.com wrote:
On 12/23/22 2:16 PM, Michael wrote:
Which got me interested in how many calendars there were. Who knew there were so many! The short, not complete list: [snip]
I'll go with whichever one will get winter over with the soonest.
Alas, the seasons pay no attention to the calendar, just like the sun doesn't care about wall clock time. It's probably just as well, or you'd have people adding ten pages of say, June to their calendar, and making the climate go even more off-course than it is already. ;P
E. Liddell
On Friday 23 December 2022 12:32:11 Michael Howard via tde-users wrote:
On 09/12/2022 01:34, Slávek Banko wrote:
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
Nollaig shonas dhuit! * [because if you say anything in Irish Gaelic, it sounds totally pagan!]
Bill
* P.S. pronounced in English letters, approximately, Nollagh hoona thoo!
Personally, I like being part of a small, niche market that concentrates on it's core driver.
If we get onto social networks, do we get to tell the world what we did today? Share photos of the great meal we have just eaten, even before we have had time to digest it? Perhaps write reams and reams about something, anything, nothing ....... :-)
In the words of the song, "call some place paradise, kiss it goodbye ....."
Merry Christmas everybody, unless of course that upsets you then Happy Holidays or maybe ..................
I hope these days it's safe to say, Happy New Year to all!
We have in fact launched the @tde channel on floss already, but we had yet to announce it officially (Slavek is preparing [I hope :-) ] a nice announcement email. The contents will definitely be of technical nature, I doubt you will never know what we ate for dinner last night on that channel :-P If you want a quick preview, you can check out the channel (and its few announcements so far) on https://floss.social/@tde or subscribed to an RSS feed at https://floss.social/@tde.rss (this second way do not require an account on floss, but you won't be able to reply back I believe).
As for other platforms, community maintained effort will be welcome as we discussed in previous emails. Feel free to repost or link official announcements from the official Mastodon channel.
Cheers Michele
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