1 Jan
2019
1 Jan
'19
5:11 a.m.
Hi people
I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this.
User PCLOS, it happens on both 32 and 64 bit versions.
After arranging the desktop icons (all kinds), they rearrange themselves each
time I load the TDE. They just scatter everywhere.
I have tried, arranging to grid, locking in place. No setting seems to work.
When I lock the icons in place, they still rearrange and then lock.
Any ideas?
Kate
1 Jan
1 Jan
11:32 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
I am using PCLOS with Trinity I am not seeing this. My icons stay where I
put them. Try creating a new account and see if it it happens to that one
as well.
On Tue, Jan 1, 2019 at 12:12 AM borglabs4 <borglabs4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi people
I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this.
User PCLOS, it happens on both 32 and 64 bit versions.
After arranging the desktop icons (all kinds), they rearrange themselves
each
time I load the TDE. They just scatter everywhere.
I have tried, arranging to grid, locking in place. No setting seems to
work.
When I lock the icons in place, they still rearrange and then lock.
Any ideas?
Kate
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12:24 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 00:11:48 -0500
borglabs4 <borglabs4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Hi people
I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this.
User PCLOS, it happens on both 32 and 64 bit versions.
After arranging the desktop icons (all kinds), they rearrange themselves each
time I load the TDE. They just scatter everywhere.
I have tried, arranging to grid, locking in place. No setting seems to work.
When I lock the icons in place, they still rearrange and then lock.
Any ideas?
I've had the same problem. The desktop seems to want to force unnecessarily
wide spacing between icons on startup only. I don't know why or how to fix it,
but if you move them far enough apart to satisfy it, it will stop playing with them.
E. Liddell
1:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
Am Dienstag, 1. Januar 2019 schrieb E. Liddell:
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 00:11:48 -0500
borglabs4 <borglabs4(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Maybe a permission problem, check if all files in ~/.trinity are +rw and owned by the
user.
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Hi people
I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this.
User PCLOS, it happens on both 32 and 64 bit versions.
After arranging the desktop icons (all kinds), they rearrange themselves each
time I load the TDE. They just scatter everywhere.
I have tried, arranging to grid, locking in place. No setting seems to work.
When I lock the icons in place, they still rearrange and then lock.
Any ideas?
I've had the same problem. The desktop seems to want to force unnecessarily
wide spacing between icons on startup only. I don't know why or how to fix it,
but if you move them far enough apart to satisfy it, it will stop playing with them.
E. Liddell
2:40 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, borglabs4 wrote:
Hi people
I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this.
User PCLOS, it happens on both 32 and 64 bit versions.
After arranging the desktop icons (all kinds), they rearrange
themselves each time I load the TDE. They just scatter everywhere.
I have tried, arranging to grid, locking in place. No setting seems to
work. When I lock the icons in place, they still rearrange and then
lock.
Any ideas?
I sometimes have a "floater" problem.
My icons are more or less arranged in several columns on the left side
of my screen. Every now and then an icon will float up to fill in an
empty slot above it -- even with "Lock In Place" set.
I unlock, pull it back down, re-lock, and it stays put for a week or so.
Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS and Trinity 14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT] using the
Preliminary Stable Builds repository.
Aside: Is there a "proper way" to get the Trinity version/level info
out of the system? I usually go into konqueror -> Help -> About Trinity
But, if there is a more definitive way....
Happy New Year to All!!
Jonesy
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3:36 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019 07:40:21 -0700 (MST)
"Marvin Jones via trinity-users"
<trinity-users(a)lists.pearsoncomputing.net> wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, borglabs4 wrote:
That sounds about right. I have my icons grouped around the edges of the
desktop; they tend to get pushed upwards and inwards. I'll have to do some
testing to see if it also happens on my laptop (rebuilt out of git sources only
a few days ago)--I think I saw it there while I was wrestling with the display
manager problem, but I'm so used to it at this point that I just roll my eyes and
stuff the icons back into their places without the problem really registering.
The governing file seems to be .trinity/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions .
Maybe editing that and then locking it so that it can't be written, assuming
that doesn't cause TDE to fail to start?
E. Liddell
Hi people
I don't know if anyone else is experiencing this.
User PCLOS, it happens on both 32 and 64 bit versions.
After arranging the desktop icons (all kinds), they rearrange
themselves each time I load the TDE. They just scatter everywhere.
I have tried, arranging to grid, locking in place. No setting seems to
work. When I lock the icons in place, they still rearrange and then
lock.
Any ideas?
I sometimes have a "floater" problem.
My icons are more or less arranged in several columns on the left side
of my screen. Every now and then an icon will float up to fill in an
empty slot above it -- even with "Lock In Place" set.
I unlock, pull it back down, re-lock, and it stays put for a week or so.
4:13 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, E. Liddell wrote:
The governing file seems to be
.trinity/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions .
Maybe editing that and then locking it so that it can't
be written, assuming that doesn't cause TDE to fail to start?
hmmmm....
Considering what's in there, why would that file's timestamp have
been updated to the time I powered on and rebooted this A.M.?
Jonesy
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5:35 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
On Tue, Jan 01, 2019 at 09:13:31AM -0700, Marvin Jones via trinity-users wrote:
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, E. Liddell wrote:
Which time stamps? Linux file systems generally record *three* time
stamps for each file:
atime, ctime and mtime
https://www.unix.com/tips-and-tutorials/20526-mtime-ctime-atime.html
You may be looking at the access time.
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The governing file seems to be
.trinity/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions .
Maybe editing that and then locking it so that it can't
be written, assuming that doesn't cause TDE to fail to start?
hmmmm....
Considering what's in there, why would that file's timestamp have
been updated to the time I powered on and rebooted this A.M.?
5:56 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging
On Wed, 2 Jan 2019, Steven D'Aprano wrote:
On Tue, Jan 01, 2019 at 09:13:31AM -0700, Marvin Jones
wrote:
Plain ol' ls -ol
|jonesy@nix5:~/.trinity/share/apps/kdesktop$ ls -ol IconPositions
|-rw------- 1 jonesy 4303 Jan 1 07:16 IconPositions
... which, as I've always understood it, is the mtime.
Here is the atime:
|$ ls -lu IconPositions
|-rw------- 1 jonesy jonesy 4303 Jan 1 09:02 IconPositions
Ahhh, here is the ctime:
|$ ls -lc IconPositions
|-rw------- 1 jonesy jonesy 4303 Jan 1 07:16 IconPositions
Maybe the file is recreated afresh from another source each time
Trinity is started?
When I right-click on the desktop and [Refresh Desktop] the atime
does not change. Would've thought....
Jonesy
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, E. Liddell wrote:
Which time stamps? Linux file systems generally record *three* time
stamps for each file:
atime, ctime and mtime
The governing file seems to be
.trinity/share/apps/kdesktop/IconPositions .
Maybe editing that and then locking it so that it can't
be written, assuming that doesn't cause TDE to fail to start?
hmmmm....
Considering what's in there, why would that file's timestamp have
been updated to the time I powered on and rebooted this A.M.? 
4:03 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Desktop Icons keep rearranging (TDE version from command line)
On Tuesday 01 January 2019 08:40:21 am Marvin Jones via trinity-users wrote:
Aside: Is there a "proper way" to get the
Trinity version/level info
out of the system? I usually go into konqueror -> Help -> About Trinity
But, if there is a more definitive way....
Second this. I also can't copy/paste from the Help pop-ups, which is
annoying ;)
Ah, duh!!!
michael@local [~]# konqueror -v
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.4
Konqueror: R14.0.4
roflmao....
4:09 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE version from command line
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, Michael wrote:
On Tuesday 01 January 2019 08:40:21 am Marvin Jones via
trinity-users wrote:
Thanks!!
As well, for others...
|jonesy@nix5:~$ kwrite -v
|Qt: 3.5.0
|TDE: R14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT]
|KWrite: 4.5.14
|jonesy@nix5:~$ konsole -v
|Qt: 3.5.0
|TDE: R14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT]
|Konsole: 1.6.6
Happy New Year to all!
Jonesy
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Aside: Is there a "proper way" to get
the Trinity version/level info
out of the system? I usually go into konqueror -> Help -> About Trinity
But, if there is a more definitive way....
Second this. I also can't copy/paste from the Help pop-ups, which is
annoying ;)
Ah, duh!!!
michael@local [~]# konqueror -v
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.4
Konqueror: R14.0.4 
7:06 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] TDE version from command line
Am Dienstag, 1. Januar 2019 schrieb Marvin Jones via trinity-users:
Thanks!!
As well, for others...
|jonesy@nix5:~$ kwrite -v
|Qt: 3.5.0
|TDE: R14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT]
|KWrite: 4.5.14
|jonesy@nix5:~$ konsole -v
|Qt: 3.5.0
|TDE: R14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT]
|Konsole: 1.6.6
Happy New Year to all!
Jonesy
$ tde-config --version
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.6 [DEVELOPMENT]
tde-config: 1.0
With tde-config you can also retrieve more TDE-specific config stuff.
Regards,
Stefan
On Tue, 1 Jan 2019, Michael wrote:
>On Tuesday 01 January 2019 08:40:21 am Marvin Jones via trinity-users
wrote:
Aside: Is there a "proper way" to get the
Trinity version/level info
out of the system? I usually go into konqueror -> Help -> About
Trinity But, if there is a more definitive way....
Second this. I also can't copy/paste from the Help pop-ups, which is
annoying ;)
Ah, duh!!!
michael@local [~]# konqueror -v
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.0.4
Konqueror: R14.0.4
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