7 Nov
2020
7 Nov
'20
5:34 a.m.
Hi all,
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
- and whether you had trouble installing and running TDE.
Thanks in advance.
Steve
7 Nov
7 Nov
7:50 a.m.
Steven D'Aprano via tde-users composed on 2020-11-07 16:34 (UTC+1100):
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon
need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
Why switch from Fedora?
# inxi -SGxy
System:
Host: p5bse Kernel: 5.8.14-300.fc33.x86_64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc
v: 2.35-10.fc33) Desktop: Trinity R14.0.9
Distro: Fedora release 33 (Thirty Three)
I run various distros on lots of multiboot PCs. My primary PC is openSUSE only.
AFAICT, there are no distros that include TDE in standard repos, but that's not a
problem. It's easy to setup and install from instructions on the Wiki. On Fedora I
only have installed TDE or KDE, never both at once.
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9:29 a.m.
On Saturday 07 November 2020 06.34:28 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
- which distro you are running
Debian (Stretch
and Buster)
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
no
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
Remove whatever dm you installed (if you did it graphically, so lightdm or
gdm3 most often) after TDE install so that it does not "come back" at the
next update.
Thierry
10:31 a.m.
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 7 Nov 16:34:28 +1100
Steven D'Aprano via tde-users scripsit:
Hi all,
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
Devuan, exegnulinx, my remaster of exegnulinux, FreeBSD
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
No.
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
No.
Nik
Thanks in advance.
Steve
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- which distro you are running
Debian stable (buster)
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
Sadly, no.
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
TDE has installed and run flawlessly since the first day I heard of
it. I had been hanging on to KDE3, whichever Debian it was included
in, until I heard about TDE and jumped ship.
The fact that "everything works" (for me) has been a joy this entire
time.
There is one grain of sand in my shoe, however. Every time Debian
updates lightdm or TDE updates tdm-trinity, it resets
the "preference" to lightdm, and I have to go back in and choose
tdm-trinity as the display manager manually.
Of course TDE launches just fine from lightdm, it's my own choice to
be annoyed by this. Using lightdm causes differences in how
screenlock is handled, and I prefer how tdm-trinity does that.
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3:34 p.m.
On Friday 06 November 2020 11:34:28 pm Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
# inxi -SGxy 80
System:
Kernel: 4.19.0-12-amd64 x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 8.3.0
Desktop: Trinity R14.0.9 Distro: MX-19.2_x64 patito feo May 31 2020
base: Debian GNU/Linux 10 (buster)
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
Who's official repos?
MX? No.
TDE? Yes.
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
If you follow the TDE wiki and use the tde.pm, you shouldn't have any issues.
Note: I'm testing an updated tde.pm this weekend. One of the MX devs added
some changes for virtualbox.
4:32 p.m.
On Sat, 7 Nov 2020 16:34:28 +1100
"Steven D'Aprano via tde-users" <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
Gentoo.
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
No.
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
I would describe what I had to do as "effort" rather than "trouble".
Then again, I knew what I was getting into.
Now that more of TDE has been properly packaged, it would be
less difficult. However, at this time I don't recommend Gentoo +
TDE unless you have other reasons for specifically installing Gentoo.
E. Liddell
4:46 p.m.
Do you mean TDE rather than KDE? or maybe KDE3?
On Friday 06 November 2020 21:34:28 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
I've used TDE on most of the 'Buntu, Debian or Devuan distros that others
mentioned, as well as PCLinuxOS. But at last (or rather, maybe, at present) I
have settled on Devuan Beowulf, using a netinstall CD, which runs almost
without a hitch.
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
TDE isn't in any of the "official repos" (if you mean the really big
repositories where we get the rest of our non-TDE packages, like Debian,
Ubuntu, etc.); but I expect that this will change in the not-too-distant
future.
TDE is blows away all the other DEs, so they can't ignore us for much longer.
- and whether you had trouble installing and running
TDE.
I upgraded from Devuan Jessie directly to Devuan Beowulf (skipping over
Ascii), so that seemed to cause some minor problems, but after a few weeks of
patient care, it is pretty near perfect.
Debian/Devuan take a bit of bother to get them running how we want, but once
configured, they are very stable and dependable, so it's worth the trouble.
So my vote is clearly for Devuan, no-systemd, at least for now.
As a rule, the easier a distro is to run "out of the box", the less
configurable it will be.
There are several distros that offer TDE as a default choice (Q4OS,
Exegnulinux, and others). Also, both Nik and Michael have created TDE distros
for testing:
ISO:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/snap…
SHA256:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/snap…
https://sourceforge.net/projects/michaels-devuan-edition/files/
Bill
Thanks in advance.
Steve
5:22 p.m.
On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:46:24 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
There are several distros that offer TDE as a default
choice (Q4OS,
Exegnulinux, and others). Also, both Nik and Michael have created TDE
distros for testing:
ISO:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/snap
shot-20201102_1128.iso SHA256:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/snap
shot-20201102_1128.iso.sha256
https://sourceforge.net/projects/michaels-devuan-edition/files/
As a clarification note, since I don't really see any other Michael's posting
to this list, the Michael Bill is referencing isn’t me.
Best,
Michael
PS: MX is also non-systemd.
5:34 p.m.
On Saturday 07 November 2020 09:22:15 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:46:24 am William
Morder via tde-users wrote:
Sorry about that! You need a more unusual or unique name, such as Bill.
;-)
I did imagine that you also had offered a distro with TDE, or maybe it was
just your connection with MX and TDE.
Bill
There are several distros that offer TDE as a
default choice (Q4OS,
Exegnulinux, and others). Also, both Nik and Michael have created TDE
distros for testing:
ISO:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/sn
ap shot-20201102_1128.iso SHA256:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/sn
ap shot-20201102_1128.iso.sha256
https://sourceforge.net/projects/michaels-devuan-edition/files/
As a clarification note, since I don't really see any other Michael's
posting to this list, the Michael Bill is referencing isn’t me.
Best,
Michael
PS: MX is also non-systemd.
6:02 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Survey: distros with KDE?
On Saturday 07 November 2020 11:34:55 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Sorry about that! You need a more unusual or unique name, such as Bill.
;-)
I did imagine that you also had offered a distro with TDE, or maybe it was
just your connection with MX and TDE.
Just interfacing with the MX devs to build an ‘easy’ TDE install method for
MX. I did try Devuan ~2 years ago, but the lead (only?) dev they have and I
had a complete disagreement over what constitutes ‘customer
service’ / ‘helping newbies’ so I left. Anyone that’s been on this list more
than 6 months can figure out my views, his view was about polar opposite.
Hopefully he’s changed his mindset, the Linux ecosystem does need more
non-systemd choices.
Nothing wrong with Devuan, but you can more easily achieve the same things
with MX and it has a 20x larger dev group and ~1,000x larger user group.
Back to who the other Michael is, I’m somewhat curious why someone who can and
does create a TDE ISO isn’t on this list.
Best,
Michael
On Saturday 07 November 2020 09:22:15 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
> On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:46:24 am William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
There are several distros that offer TDE as a default
choice (Q4OS,
Exegnulinux, and others). Also, both Nik and Michael have created TDE
distros for testing:
ISO:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/
sn ap shot-20201102_1128.iso SHA256:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.02/
sn ap shot-20201102_1128.iso.sha256
https://sourceforge.net/projects/michaels-devuan-edition/files/
As a clarification note, since I don't really see any other Michael's
posting to this list, the Michael Bill is referencing isn’t me.
Best,
Michael
PS: MX is also non-systemd.
6:13 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Survey: distros with KDE?
On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:02:27 Michael via tde-users wrote:
On Saturday 07 November 2020 11:34:55 am William
Morder via tde-users wrote:
Sorry about that! You need a more unusual or unique name, such as Bill.
;-)
I did imagine that you also had offered a distro with TDE, or maybe it
was just your connection with MX and TDE.
Just interfacing with the MX devs to build an ‘easy’ TDE install method for
MX. I did try Devuan ~2 years ago, but the lead (only?) dev they have and
I had a complete disagreement over what constitutes ‘customer
service’ / ‘helping newbies’ so I left. Anyone that’s been on this list
more than 6 months can figure out my views, his view was about polar
opposite. Hopefully he’s changed his mindset, the Linux ecosystem does need
more non-systemd choices.
Nothing wrong with Devuan, but you can more easily achieve the same things
with MX and it has a 20x larger dev group and ~1,000x larger user group.
Back to who the other Michael is, I’m somewhat curious why someone who can
and does create a TDE ISO isn’t on this list.
Best,
Michael
Somebody -- I had thought it was yourself -- created a TDE distro, but when I
went looking for it again (to post in a different thread), I couldn't find
it. The link was supplied by Nik, but perhaps he was in error, and I have
passed along the error?
Just to clarify: Somebody named Michael posted a link to an iso, a Devuan-type
distro with TDE; but now I find that it isn't you. I'm pretty sure that Nik
sent the right link, because it allowed me to complete a download that had
been interrupted.
I got both links (Nik's and the Other Michael) originally from the TDE mailing
list. Now I am confused.
Bill
On Saturday 07 November 2020 09:22:15 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
> On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:46:24 am William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
There are several distros that offer TDE as a default
choice (Q4OS,
Exegnulinux, and others). Also, both Nik and Michael have created TDE
distros for testing:
ISO:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.0
2/ sn ap shot-20201102_1128.iso SHA256:
https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11.0
2/ sn ap shot-20201102_1128.iso.sha256
https://sourceforge.net/projects/michaels-devuan-edition/files/
As a clarification note, since I don't really see any other Michael's
posting to this list, the Michael Bill is referencing isn’t me.
Best,
Michael
PS: MX is also non-systemd.
6:27 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Survey: distros with KDE?
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 7 Nov 10:13:53 -0800
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
[...]
Somebody -- I had thought it was yourself -- created a TDE distro, but when I
went looking for it again (to post in a different thread), I couldn't find
it. The link was supplied by Nik, but perhaps he was in error, and I have
passed along the error?
Just to clarify: Somebody named Michael posted a link to an iso, a Devuan-type
distro with TDE; but now I find that it isn't you. I'm pretty sure that Nik
sent the right link, because it allowed me to complete a download that had
been interrupted.
I got both links (Nik's and the Other Michael) originally from the TDE mailing
list. Now I am confused.
No need for confusion. Take a look at Devuan derivative list, you'll find Michaels
ISO: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=9
Nik
Bill
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New subject: [OT] Survey: distros with KDE?
On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:27:44 Dr. Nikolaus Klepp wrote:
Anno domini 2020 Sat, 7 Nov 10:13:53 -0800
William Morder via tde-users scripsit:
I had not seen that page before. Great resource for anybody wishing to explore
more Devuan distros.
But Michael's Devuan distro isn't described as a TDE distro; and, as I said, I
am sure that I originally got it here on the TDE mailing list, but now I
can't find the original post, only Nik's later link. Still confused about
that niggling detail.
Bill
[...]
Somebody -- I had thought it was yourself -- created a TDE distro, but
when I went looking for it again (to post in a different thread), I
couldn't find it. The link was supplied by Nik, but perhaps he was in
error, and I have passed along the error?
Just to clarify: Somebody named Michael posted a link to an iso, a
Devuan-type distro with TDE; but now I find that it isn't you. I'm pretty
sure that Nik sent the right link, because it allowed me to complete a
download that had been interrupted.
I got both links (Nik's and the Other Michael) originally from the TDE
mailing list. Now I am confused.
No need for confusion. Take a look at Devuan derivative list, you'll find
Michaels ISO: https://dev1galaxy.org/viewtopic.php?id=9
Nik
6:33 p.m.
New subject: [OT] Survey: distros with KDE?
On Saturday 07 November 2020 12:13:53 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Just interfacing with the MX devs to build an ‘easy’ TDE install method
for MX. I did try Devuan ~2 years ago, but the lead (only?) dev they
have and I had a complete disagreement over what constitutes ‘customer
service’ / ‘helping newbies’ so I left. Anyone that’s been on this list
more than 6 months can figure out my views, his view was about polar
opposite. Hopefully he’s changed his mindset, the Linux ecosystem does
need more non-systemd choices.
Nothing wrong with Devuan, but you can more easily achieve the same
things with MX and it has a 20x larger dev group and ~1,000x larger user
group.
Back to who the other Michael is, I’m somewhat curious why someone who
can and does create a TDE ISO isn’t on this list.
Best,
Michael
Somebody -- I had thought it was yourself -- created a TDE distro, but when
I went looking for it again (to post in a different thread), I couldn't
find it. The link was supplied by Nik, but perhaps he was in error, and I
have passed along the error?
Just to clarify: Somebody named Michael posted a link to an iso, a
Devuan-type distro with TDE; but now I find that it isn't you. I'm pretty
sure that Nik sent the right link, because it allowed me to complete a
download that had been interrupted.
I got both links (Nik's and the Other Michael) originally from the TDE
mailing list. Now I am confused.
Hi Bill,
That would be my error then. I didn't realize that someone else named Michael
had ever posted to this list.
Best,
Michael
On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:02:27 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
> On Saturday 07 November 2020 11:34:55 am William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
On Saturday 07 November 2020 09:22:15 Michael via
tde-users wrote:
> On Saturday 07 November 2020 10:46:24 am William Morder via tde-users
wrote:
>
There are several distros that offer TDE as a default choice (Q4OS,
> Exegnulinux, and others). Also, both Nik and Michael have created
> TDE distros for testing:
>
> ISO:
> https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11
>.0 2/ sn ap shot-20201102_1128.iso SHA256:
> https://github.com/zwieblum/devuan-images/releases/download/2020.11
>.0 2/ sn ap shot-20201102_1128.iso.sha256
>
> https://sourceforge.net/projects/michaels-devuan-edition/files/
As a clarification note, since I don't really see any other Michael's
posting to this list, the Michael Bill is referencing isn’t me.
Best,
Michael
PS: MX is also non-systemd.
Sorry about that! You need a more unusual or unique name, such as Bill.
;-)
I did imagine that you also had offered a distro with TDE, or maybe it
was just your connection with MX and TDE. 
9 Nov
9 Nov
12:20 a.m.
New subject: [users] Survey: distros with KDE?
On 2020-11-06 23:34:28 Steven D'Aprano via tde-users wrote:
Hi all,
I'm currently running Fedore 29, but I will soon need to upgrade or
reinstall a new distro. I'd like something with TDE available.
Can we do a short survey of:
- which distro you are running
OpenSuSE Leap 15
- whether it provides TDe from the official repos;
No
- and whether you had trouble installing and running TDE.
Only with getting TDM
working.
Leslie
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