Hi,
What file manager am I supposed to be using? When clicking on the CHRIS folder on my desktop, PCMANFM open. Is that correct? If its not, what do I do to change it?
I noticed that with PCMANFM, that it keeps recreating folders in my /home folder at log in that I had previously deleted. Folders like Documents, Templates, Music etc. If PCMANFM is the correct file manager, how do I stop PCMFM from recreating those folders?
Thanks, Chris
On 1/19/22 10:34 AM, c. marlow wrote:
What file manager am I supposed to be using? When clicking on the CHRIS folder on my desktop, PCMANFM open. Is that correct? If its not, what do I do to change it?
Konqueror is TDE's file manager. I'm not sure why your TDE would be using something else; Konqueror is always the default when I install TDE. You can change it at Trinity Control Center / TDE Components / Default Applications.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 12:48:05 pm Dan Youngquist wrote:
On 1/19/22 10:34 AM, c. marlow wrote:
What file manager am I supposed to be using? When clicking on the CHRIS folder on my desktop, PCMANFM open. Is that correct? If its not, what do I do to change it?
Konqueror is TDE's file manager. I'm not sure why your TDE would be using something else; Konqueror is always the default when I install TDE. You can change it at Trinity Control Center / TDE Components / Default Applications.
I clicked on File Manager
under all I clicked on all again
then to the right I clicked ADD under Application Preference Order >> Internet >> Konquror
Apply then okay
but PCMANFM still opens
What did I do wrong?
I'm not sure why your TDE would be using something else; Konqueror is always the default when I install TDE. You can change it at Trinity Control Center / TDE Components / Default Applications.
It's because I installed LXQT as a base, and then TDE.
Thanks, Chris
On 1/19/22 10:58 AM, c. marlow wrote:
I clicked on File Manager
under all I clicked on all again
then to the right I clicked ADD under Application Preference Order >> Internet >> Konquror
Apply then okay
but PCMANFM still opens
What did I do wrong?
I'm still using TCC 14.0.9; it sounds like you may be seeing something different than I am. On 14.0.9, under Default Applications, when you click on File Manager, there's a note that says you have to change the preferred application for mime type inode/directory. Try that, it should work.
I'm not sure why your TDE would be using something else; Konqueror is always the default when I install TDE.
It's because I installed LXQT as a base, and then TDE.
Maybe there's something different about LXDE; I usually install TDE after XFCE, and it always works correctly.
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 19.58:22 c. marlow wrote:
I clicked on File Manager
under all I clicked on all again
then to the right I clicked ADD under Application Preference Order >> Internet >> Konquror
Apply then okay
but PCMANFM still opens
Here, in Trinity Control Center / TDE components / File Association / Inode I have Konqueror listed at the top for directory and System_directory.
I seem to remember having to set this once in a distro to get Konqueror starting correctly.
As to your folders being re-created, I found this when searching:
edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
don't know if this helps, I've never had this.
Thierry
edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
don't know if this helps, I've never had this.
I edited that file.... Logged off and logged back in and IT REPOPULATED ITSELF :(
I even #'s the lines and it still reverted back.
There's got to be a way to delete those folders!
There's no way I could nuke and pave and install a minimal XFCE session due to I use the MINI ISO with Non Free codecs and drivers. Plus, I am stuck on a sat dish connection and downloading ISO's eats A LOT of data.
Chris
On Wednesday 19 January 2022 05:13:31 pm c. marlow wrote:
edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
don't know if this helps, I've never had this.
I edited that file.... Logged off and logged back in and IT REPOPULATED ITSELF :(
I even #'s the lines and it still reverted back.
There's got to be a way to delete those folders!
There's no way I could nuke and pave and install a minimal XFCE session due to I use the MINI ISO with Non Free codecs and drivers. Plus, I am stuck on a sat dish connection and downloading ISO's eats A LOT of data.
I'm not sure what package PCMANFM comes from, but find it and remove it.... (the package)
Some random Debian examples, re-write for you use, use man to understand how they work:
$ which pcmanfm $ apt-cache search PCMANFM $ aptitude search '~drout(e|ing)' // route or routing in their description $ apt-cache --full search samba
You can use dpkg command to find out which package owns a file: -S, --search filename-search-pattern... Search for a filename from installed packages. Example: $ dpkg -S /bin/ls coreutils: /bin/ls
Then: $ apt-get purge {package names} e.g. $ apt-get purge samba samba-common python-samba samba-libs
Then: $ apt-get purge {package names} e.g. $ apt-get purge samba samba-common python-samba samba-libs
I nuked Gnome keyring via synaptic and everything looks okay now. I am not getting asked for a keyring password when logging into Nextcloud.
The only problem with nuking gnome keyring is that, when I open NextCloud, I have to sign in everytime via a pop up of their website and validate myself with credentials before NC will connect to my server.
I guess that was the whole point of the Gnome Keyring was to be the middle man to where I wouldn't have to do that? I guess? I really don't understand keyrings yet.
All is good now I guess...
Thanks, Chris
c. marlow wrote:
I guess that was the whole point of the Gnome Keyring was to be the middle man to where I wouldn't have to do that? I guess? I really don't understand keyrings yet.
yes - TDE has similar thing - the tdewallet the purpose is to provide access to the stored passwords for specific amount of time or when you unlock once
I have to sign also every time to skype or some other gnomish services. Before I install skype I remove the dependency from the package so it does not want to install Gnome Keyring
regards
On Thursday 20 January 2022 04:51:12 c. marlow wrote:
Then: $ apt-get purge {package names} e.g. $ apt-get purge samba samba-common python-samba samba-libs
I nuked Gnome keyring via synaptic and everything looks okay now. I am not getting asked for a keyring password when logging into Nextcloud.
The only problem with nuking gnome keyring is that, when I open NextCloud, I have to sign in everytime via a pop up of their website and validate myself with credentials before NC will connect to my server.
I guess that was the whole point of the Gnome Keyring was to be the middle man to where I wouldn't have to do that? I guess? I really don't understand keyrings yet.
All is good now I guess...
Thanks, Chris
Try Keepass or its variants or forks, Keepassx, Keepassxc ... there may be others. It isn't quite so convenient (no autofill), but, once you get used to it, much more secure.
Bill
As to your folders being re-created, I found this when searching:
edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
don't know if this helps, I've never had this.
Thierry
Okay, its come down to that it's Trinity that's causing this issue.
I just purged LXQT from my system and rebooted and edited that file again, saved it, and then logged out and back in and the file repopulated itself.
Chris
On Thursday 20 of January 2022 00:27:20 c. marlow wrote:
As to your folders being re-created, I found this when searching:
edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
don't know if this helps, I've never had this.
Thierry
Okay, its come down to that it's Trinity that's causing this issue.
I just purged LXQT from my system and rebooted and edited that file again, saved it, and then logged out and back in and the file repopulated itself.
Chris
Yes, the standard XDG folders are created automatically - see TCC / System Administration / Paths.
Cheers
On Wed January 19 2022 17:37:09 Slávek Banko wrote:
I just purged LXQT from my system and rebooted and edited that file again, saved it, and then logged out and back in and the file repopulated itself.
Yes, the standard XDG folders are created automatically - see TCC / System Administration / Paths.
Hi Chris,
~/.config/user-dirs.dirs can also be managed by xdg-user-dirs-update which is in package xdg-user-dirs which is required or recommended by a lot of desktop environments.
TDE recommends it but does not require it, so if you have it installed but don't need it you can purge it.
Meanwhile if you really don't want a ~/Videos or whatever it is usual to set that path to your home directory which always exists.
--Mike
Hello Chris,
Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2022 schrieb c. marlow:
As to your folders being re-created, I found this when searching:
edit ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs
don't know if this helps, I've never had this.
Thierry
Okay, its come down to that it's Trinity that's causing this issue.
If you don't want the system to create or change the XDG directories then you can create a file
~/.config/user-dirs.conf
with
enable=0
I haven't tested that.
I don't know if your user-dirs.dirs file is recreated because you *deleted* some lines instead of setting an alternative location, neither the man page for user-dirs.dirs nor xdg-user-dirs-update is clear about it, at least not for my German brain.
Otherwise, as Slàvek and Mike have pointed out you can edit the file ~/.config/user-dirs.dirs and set the directories you want. If you don't want a directory to be created, then set it to an already existing path like "$HOME". You can edit that file in TDE Control Center like Slàvek said.
If nothing works out, read the man page(s)! ;-)
$ man user-dirs.conf $ man user-dirs.dirs $ man xdg-user-dirs-update
(In this case, though, they didn't help me understand completely how this XDG users dirs thing works.)
HTH
Kind regards, Stefan
So I have a SEMI SOLUTION to my problem
Since it looks like this is a bug in TDE, even after purging from synaptic xdg-user-dirs and rebooting, and then trying again to delete the folders and the folders still repopulate. I made a folder in /home called CMsHome. And then on the desktop I right clicked on the CHRIS icon and changed:
konqueror /home/chris/
to:
konqueror /home/chris/CMsHome
Apply and Okay
So now when I launch Konq
konqueror /home/chris/CMsHome opens with my nextcloud folder, downloads folder, and 1 other folder.. Much cleaner!
I hope that this bug is fixed soon to where the user has right to make choices of what folders they want and dont want and not TDE decide and force you to have folders that you DON'T want.
Chris
c. marlow wrote:
Since it looks like this is a bug in TDE, even after purging from synaptic xdg-user-dirs and rebooting, and then trying again to delete the folders and the folders still repopulate. I made a folder in /home called CMsHome. And then on the desktop I right clicked on the CHRIS icon and changed:
The directories are defined in Trinity Control Center (TCC). As someone pointed out you could set these to point to a single directory
Bugs are handled in https://mirror.git.trinitydesktop.org/gitea/explore/repos
so either you or someone else should log it there, otherwise it will not be looked into
Also I am not completely sure that you should remove xdg-user-dirs if you use the PC as a desktop. I would keep it because some applications relay on this (TDE not that much)
Am Donnerstag, 20. Januar 2022 schrieb c. marlow:
So I have a SEMI SOLUTION to my problem
Since it looks like this is a bug in TDE, even after purging from synaptic xdg-user-dirs and rebooting, and then trying again to delete the folders and the folders still repopulate.
Purging a package does not delete any user configuration. It only deinstalls the program which does something and its *system-wide* configuration. But there is more than one program for the same function. In this case also TDE does care for XDG user directories.
What exactly did you do to "delete the folders and the folders still repopulate"? At least you need to change the config file mentioned in my other mails, too. That's possible with a TDE Control Center (TCC) module or with a simple file editor. Both should work to tell your system not to recreate the folders.
I made a folder in /home called CMsHome. And then on the desktop I right clicked on the CHRIS icon and changed:
konqueror /home/chris/
to:
konqueror /home/chris/CMsHome
Apply and Okay
So now when I launch Konq
konqueror /home/chris/CMsHome opens with my nextcloud folder, downloads folder, and 1 other folder.. Much cleaner!
Good. You found a solution. But that is nothing to do with the XDG mechanism which automatically creates commonly expected folders for desktop environments (it's not a TDE thing; TDE only supports that).
I hope that this bug is fixed soon to where the user has right to make choices of what folders they want and dont want and not TDE decide and force you to have folders that you DON'T want.
This is already the cause. There is no bug. Probably something's wrong with your system or configuration.
Have you tried to create a valid user-dirs.dirs config file where the directories which you don't want to be created are defined as "$HOME" as has been suggested to you? TDE does respect that (on my system).
Kind regards, Stefan
On Thursday 20 January 2022 08:29:45 am Stefan Krusche wrote:
Have you tried to create a valid user-dirs.dirs config file where the directories which you don't want to be created are defined as "$HOME" as has been suggested to you? TDE does respect that (on my system).
I don't know how.. But that worked!
I edited that file again, saved it, and then I deleted the folders and logged out and they were not recreated!
I guess I will reinstall xdg-user-dirs from synaptic.
What exactly did you do to "delete the folders and the folders still
repopulate"? At least you need to change the config file mentioned in my other mails, too. That's possible with a TDE Control Center (TCC) module or with a simple file editor. Both should work to tell your system not to recreate the folders.<<
Opened /home and clicked on the folder that I wanted to delete, and then hit the delete key and the folders were automatically repopulated. ( they instantly came right back )
Have you tried to create a valid user-dirs.dirs config file where the
directories which you don't want to be created are defined as "$HOME" as has been suggested to you? TDE does respect that (on my system).<<
Yes, I tried editing the user-dirs.dirs config file using both sudo nano and just nano ( as brought up a couple emails back with screenshots) and as soon as I logged out and logged back in, the file defaulted back to how it was before I saved it. meaning, all of the lines that I deleted were re written inside of the file.
This is already the cause. There is no bug. Probably something's wrong
with your system or configuration.<<
I am starting to wonder if I need to do the Dan Younquist method and nuke and pave AGAIN and do a MINIMAL XFCE install, and then install TDE again? Or do you think that i'm okay?
I installed TDE by first running the Debian 11 mini iso
installed LXQT
then installed TDE
and then purged LXQT from the system once I got into TDE using
sudo apt-get purge lxqt*
Thinking that LXQT was the problem.
Thanks, Chris
I think I got it...
I right clicked on the CHRIS folder on the desktop ( Which I am guessing is my home folder?
And then under the application tab I changed
PCMANFM-QT /home/chris
to Konqueror /home/chris
and now Konq opens instead of PCMAN!
Is there anywhere else that I need to change the file types to use Konq instead of PCMAN?
Thanks, Chris
Intesting under Konq....
When deleting documents, music, templates etc They come right back.. It's like you can't delete them..
Why? I don't have a use for them!
Chris
On 2022-01-19 13:12:15 c. marlow wrote:
Intesting under Konq....
When deleting documents, music, templates etc They come right back.. It's like you can't delete them..
Why? I don't have a use for them!
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Don't know why that would be. By default, Konqueror puts them into the Trashcan*, but you can add the option of deleting them by opening Settings and in Behaviour, and enabling "Show 'Delete' context menu..." (with optional confirmation).
Leslie
*Maybe your Trashcan folder is missing? -- Operating System: Linux Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.3 x86_64 Desktop Environment: Trinity Qt: 3.5.0 TDE: R14.0.10 tde-config: 1.0
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