elcaseti wrote:
In the past, KDE could be used with Mer. I'm not sure that has changed.
Might be, the point is, both are qt5 based and so have very good touch screen support. But when you compare the Mer desktop with KDE it is stable. So for me personally KDE failed to deliver again something reliable. It looks almost that they are doing prove of concept or beta testing with KDE. I personally can not imagine waking up in the morning and need to debug something to read mail or so... =====================
I didn't realize the Mer project had developed it's own desktop. Very interesting.
elcaseti wrote:
I didn't realize the Mer project had developed it's own desktop. Very interesting.
May be I put it wrong, but I meant everything based on Mer is better - looks like lipstick is essential if in Nemo or Sailfish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mer_and_mobile_operating_systems.svg
In the wiki it says "Mer is the reference platform for KDE’s Plasma Active [9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution)
so I leave the interpretations to you, but may be you are right that it does not have own desktop.
regards
Yeah, after reading about Mer, I think it doesn't have its own desktop. It is a promising project, though. KDE Plasma Active has been replaced by KDE Plasma Mobile. But I suspect that info about Mer & Plasma Active was written many years ago, before Plasma Mobile project existed.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:05 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
I didn't realize the Mer project had developed it's own desktop. Very interesting.
May be I put it wrong, but I meant everything based on Mer is better - looks like lipstick is essential if in Nemo or Sailfish https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mer_and_mobile_operating_systems.svg
In the wiki it says "Mer is the reference platform for KDE’s Plasma Active [9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution)
so I leave the interpretations to you, but may be you are right that it does not have own desktop.
regards
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elcaseti wrote:
Yeah, after reading about Mer, I think it doesn't have its own desktop. It is a promising project, though. KDE Plasma Active has been replaced by KDE Plasma Mobile. But I suspect that info about Mer & Plasma Active was written many years ago, before Plasma Mobile project existed.
we (wife and I) use Sailfish and it just works, though not that perfect as MeeGo (I use Nokia N9), but still I have never experienced disappointments like in KDE>3.5. I just hope that KDE>3.5 grows better, but I am not quite sure anymore.
regards
Here in North America, I'm not sure there are many options for running Sailfish OS. The Jolla phones don't support the cellular frequencies we use here. I'm not very fond of tablets, but at least they're more likely to just use wifi, which will work well on any continent. Did you install Sailfish OS on your own devices, or buy some with Sailfish installed from the factory?
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
Yeah, after reading about Mer, I think it doesn't have its own desktop. It is a promising project, though. KDE Plasma Active has been replaced
by
KDE Plasma Mobile. But I suspect that info about Mer & Plasma Active was written many years ago, before Plasma Mobile project existed.
we (wife and I) use Sailfish and it just works, though not that perfect as MeeGo (I use Nokia N9), but still I have never experienced disappointments like in KDE>3.5. I just hope that KDE>3.5 grows better, but I am not quite sure anymore.
regards
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elcaseti wrote:
Here in North America, I'm not sure there are many options for running Sailfish OS. The Jolla phones don't support the cellular frequencies we use here. I'm not very fond of tablets, but at least they're more likely to just use wifi, which will work well on any continent. Did you install Sailfish OS on your own devices, or buy some with Sailfish installed from the factory?
Hi, the first one I ordered from India (Intex AquaFish) - did a research if it would work in EU, and had to pay the custom tax - all together it was like 150-160€. My wife got it after she broke her N9, because the color is very nice ;-). The OS was preinstalled there. End of last year I bought Sony Xperia X and installed an image by myself - total cost around 300 for phone and 50 for image. The Jolla image was important, so that I may get the android support. There are few things I dislike, or want to have fixed before I use it as primary device, but I don't have the time to work on them. One major point is BT (bluetooth) and PA (pulseaudio) and the gui support for both.
regards
Thanks, good to know. There are some Android phones made for North American frequencies that are probably compatible with Sailfish OS. I would have to figure out how to install it without bricking it, though!
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:56 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
Here in North America, I'm not sure there are many options for running Sailfish OS. The Jolla phones don't support the cellular frequencies we use here. I'm not very fond of tablets, but at least they're more likely to just use wifi, which will work well on any continent. Did you install Sailfish OS on your own devices, or buy some with Sailfish installed from the factory?
Hi, the first one I ordered from India (Intex AquaFish) - did a research if it would work in EU, and had to pay the custom tax - all together it was like 150-160€. My wife got it after she broke her N9, because the color is very nice ;-). The OS was preinstalled there. End of last year I bought Sony Xperia X and installed an image by myself - total cost around 300 for phone and 50 for image. The Jolla image was important, so that I may get the android support. There are few things I dislike, or want to have fixed before I use it as primary device, but I don't have the time to work on them. One major point is BT (bluetooth) and PA (pulseaudio) and the gui support for both.
regards
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elcaseti wrote:
Thanks, good to know. There are some Android phones made for North American frequencies that are probably compatible with Sailfish OS. I would have to figure out how to install it without bricking it, though!
I don't know of any Sailfish for US phones. There was a discussion regarding Sailfish X (Sony Xperia X) - you better check on together.jolla.com. Better look for people reporting from US. AFAIR they recommended buying and shipping it from EU and reported that it works. https://together.jolla.com/question/138263/sfos-in-the-usa/ (a bit old post)
A friend is using Xperia X as primary phone and is happy - in fact I use it in free time as well, but because of the bluetooth with the car audio issue and syncing contacts etc. I prefer the still working N9.
As for flashing there are also instructions how to backup DRM keys in case you want to go back.
IMO it is worth trying it as an alternative to Google and Apple. IMO it is the only one alternative at a comfortable price.
This is why I argue to try it on any mobile device if hardware is supported by the kernel.
for those interested in sailfish, here's more on the new version:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6myjlawj8PA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6myjlawj8PA
currently, jolla makes nonw of its sruff available in the u.s.; no idea if this will change.
dep wrote:
currently, jolla makes nonw of its sruff available in the u.s.; no idea if this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices. Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement: https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_Co...
regards
On Friday 11 May 2018 12:14:17 deloptes wrote:
dep wrote:
currently, jolla makes nonw of its sruff available in the u.s.; no idea if this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices. Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement: https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_C omputers.pdf
regards
So, new thread!
Just curious whether anybody out there has tried Replicant (a free replacement for Android): https://replicant.us/
There are also replacements for Android apps: https://www.f-droid.org/
I am still in the research stages myself. I did have to use an Android smartphone for a while for work, but I have since abandoned both job and phone, and gone back to my dumbphone. (All that I really really need are unlimited calls and text; but I have a feeling that not having a smartphone will eventually become not only a social liability, but indeed a stigma.)
Anyway, so I am shopping round for the right phone that I can get cheap, and hack to install a free (as in freedom) OS. And it goes without saying that I would prefer to install TDE-Trinity for my desktop, but I don't know how well it runs with touch screens.
I've been following the threads on phones and other devices, but thus far nobody seems to have touched on my specific interests. I'm open to all suggestions.
Bill
William Morder wrote:
So, new thread!
Just curious whether anybody out there has tried Replicant (a free replacement for Android): https://replicant.us/
There are also replacements for Android apps: https://www.f-droid.org/
"F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy to browse, install, and keep track of updates on your device."
I would not understand it as "replacements for Android apps"
I am still in the research stages myself. I did have to use an Android smartphone for a while for work, but I have since abandoned both job and phone, and gone back to my dumbphone. (All that I really really need are unlimited calls and text; but I have a feeling that not having a smartphone will eventually become not only a social liability, but indeed a stigma.)
Same problem here, also if you work for a modern company and come to work with your "grandmas mobile", you probably will be labled.
Anyway, so I am shopping round for the right phone that I can get cheap, and hack to install a free (as in freedom) OS. And it goes without saying that I would prefer to install TDE-Trinity for my desktop, but I don't know how well it runs with touch screens.
I have never tried TDE with touch screen, but knowing this and that about it I doubt it works well. Regarding cheap, I found out that under 200,- for a new device you can forget it, unless you want to use only phone and text (no touch screen) - even text is a bit too broad - lets say sms. But perhaps Sailfish OS or the open source part will have to offer something to you. I've seen it running on the feature phone or 3310 in the demos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cyLhoUpc0
I've been following the threads on phones and other devices, but thus far nobody seems to have touched on my specific interests. I'm open to all suggestions.
Well lets start with free - I am not aware there was free os for mobile devices. Few tried more died. Especially since Nokia left the mobile market, it is only the US/NSA slaves out there. Nokia was ate least located in Europe and obeyed to some extent the EU laws, which were not as that bad as they are now.
From my research on phones, if you want freedom, you have to pay for this, so there are devices like FreePhone etc, but everything costs > 500,- I know few people using such phones. To me the cheapest solution was Sailfish - code is to some extent open and it also works very good for the price. You could try to buy some second hand sailfish device and see if it is good for you. The Intex Aquafish for example is pretty good for that, if you can find it under 150,- US
regards
On Friday 11 May 2018 13:26:07 deloptes wrote:
William Morder wrote:
So, new thread!
Just curious whether anybody out there has tried Replicant (a free replacement for Android): https://replicant.us/
There are also replacements for Android apps: https://www.f-droid.org/
"F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source Software) applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy to browse, install, and keep track of updates on your device."
I would not understand it as "replacements for Android apps"
I am still in the research stages myself. I did have to use an Android smartphone for a while for work, but I have since abandoned both job and phone, and gone back to my dumbphone. (All that I really really need are unlimited calls and text; but I have a feeling that not having a smartphone will eventually become not only a social liability, but indeed a stigma.)
Same problem here, also if you work for a modern company and come to work with your "grandmas mobile", you probably will be labled.
Anyway, so I am shopping round for the right phone that I can get cheap, and hack to install a free (as in freedom) OS. And it goes without saying that I would prefer to install TDE-Trinity for my desktop, but I don't know how well it runs with touch screens.
I have never tried TDE with touch screen, but knowing this and that about it I doubt it works well. Regarding cheap, I found out that under 200,- for a new device you can forget it, unless you want to use only phone and text (no touch screen) - even text is a bit too broad - lets say sms. But perhaps Sailfish OS or the open source part will have to offer something to you. I've seen it running on the feature phone or 3310 in the demos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cyLhoUpc0
I've been following the threads on phones and other devices, but thus far nobody seems to have touched on my specific interests. I'm open to all suggestions.
Well lets start with free - I am not aware there was free os for mobile devices. Few tried more died. Especially since Nokia left the mobile market, it is only the US/NSA slaves out there. Nokia was ate least located in Europe and obeyed to some extent the EU laws, which were not as that bad as they are now.
This is what replicant was supposed to be. You could install it as the OS, on compatible phones (whatever) in place of an Android OS.
From my research on phones, if you want freedom, you have to pay for this, so there are devices like FreePhone etc, but everything costs > 500,- I know few people using such phones. To me the cheapest solution was Sailfish - code is to some extent open and it also works very good for the price. You could try to buy some second hand sailfish device and see if it is good for you. The Intex Aquafish for example is pretty good for that, if you can find it under 150,- US
regards
Thanks for the info. I'll keep searching.
Bill
On May 11, 2018 3:14 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
dep wrote:
currently, jolla makes none of its stuff available in the u.s.; no idea if
this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the
open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices.
Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement:
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_Co...
Yup, we all saw that when it came out in January. And conceivably it will be available in some countries by year's end.
dep
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Well, good that there are at least a few options for using it in North America.
On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:04 PM, dep dep@drippingwithirony.com wrote:
On May 11, 2018 3:14 PM, deloptes deloptes@gmail.com wrote:
dep wrote:
currently, jolla makes none of its stuff available in the u.s.; no
idea if
this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the
open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices.
Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement:
release_Planet_Computers.pdf
Yup, we all saw that when it came out in January. And conceivably it will be available in some countries by year's end.
dep
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