10 May
2018
10 May
'18
8:39 p.m.
elcaseti wrote:
In the past, KDE could be used with Mer. I'm not
sure that has changed.
Might be, the point is, both are qt5 based and so have very good touch
screen support. But when you compare the Mer desktop with KDE it is stable.
So for me personally KDE failed to deliver again something reliable.
It looks almost that they are doing prove of concept or beta testing with
KDE. I personally can not imagine waking up in the morning and need to
debug something to read mail or so...
=====================
I didn't realize the Mer project had developed it's own desktop. Very
interesting.
10 May
10 May
9:05 p.m.
elcaseti wrote:
I didn't realize the Mer project had developed
it's own desktop. Very
interesting.
May be I put it wrong, but I meant everything based on Mer is better - looks
like lipstick is essential if in Nemo or Sailfish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mer_and_mobile_operating_systems.svg
In the wiki it says "Mer is the reference platform for KDE’s Plasma Active
[9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution)
so I leave the interpretations to you, but may be you are right that it does
not have own desktop.
regards
9:31 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Off topic: Mer
Yeah, after reading about Mer, I think it doesn't have its own desktop. It
is a promising project, though. KDE Plasma Active has been replaced by KDE
Plasma Mobile. But I suspect that info about Mer & Plasma Active was
written many years ago, before Plasma Mobile project existed.
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:05 PM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
I didn't realize the Mer project had
developed it's own desktop. Very
interesting.
May be I put it wrong, but I meant everything based on Mer is better -
looks
like lipstick is essential if in Nemo or Sailfish
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mer_and_mobile_operating_systems.svg
In the wiki it says "Mer is the reference platform for KDE’s Plasma Active
[9]"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mer_(software_distribution)
so I leave the interpretations to you, but may be you are right that it
does
not have own desktop.
regards
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9:59 p.m.
elcaseti wrote:
Yeah, after reading about Mer, I think it doesn't
have its own desktop.
It is a promising project, though. KDE Plasma Active has been replaced by
KDE Plasma Mobile. But I suspect that info about Mer & Plasma Active was
written many years ago, before Plasma Mobile project existed.
we (wife and I) use Sailfish and it just works, though not that perfect as
MeeGo (I use Nokia N9), but still I have never experienced disappointments
like in KDE>3.5.
I just hope that KDE>3.5 grows better, but I am not quite sure anymore.
regards
11 May
11 May
3:53 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Off topic: Mer
Here in North America, I'm not sure there are many options for running
Sailfish OS. The Jolla phones don't support the cellular frequencies we
use here. I'm not very fond of tablets, but at least they're more likely
to just use wifi, which will work well on any continent. Did you install
Sailfish OS on your own devices, or buy some with Sailfish installed from
the factory?
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 2:59 PM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
Yeah, after reading about Mer, I think it
doesn't have its own desktop.
It is a promising project, though. KDE Plasma Active has been replaced
by
KDE Plasma Mobile. But I suspect that info about
Mer & Plasma Active was
written many years ago, before Plasma Mobile project existed.
we (wife and I) use Sailfish and it just works, though not that perfect as
MeeGo (I use Nokia N9), but still I have never experienced disappointments
like in KDE>3.5.
I just hope that KDE>3.5 grows better, but I am not quite sure anymore.
regards
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6:56 a.m.
elcaseti wrote:
Here in North America, I'm not sure there are many
options for running
Sailfish OS. The Jolla phones don't support the cellular frequencies we
use here. I'm not very fond of tablets, but at least they're more likely
to just use wifi, which will work well on any continent. Did you install
Sailfish OS on your own devices, or buy some with Sailfish installed from
the factory?
Hi,
the first one I ordered from India (Intex AquaFish) - did a research if it
would work in EU, and had to pay the custom tax - all together it was like
150-160€. My wife got it after she broke her N9, because the color is very
nice ;-). The OS was preinstalled there.
End of last year I bought Sony Xperia X and installed an image by myself -
total cost around 300 for phone and 50 for image. The Jolla image was
important, so that I may get the android support.
There are few things I dislike, or want to have fixed before I use it as
primary device, but I don't have the time to work on them. One major point
is BT (bluetooth) and PA (pulseaudio) and the gui support for both.
regards
7:36 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: Off topic: Mer
Thanks, good to know. There are some Android phones made for North
American frequencies that are probably compatible with Sailfish OS. I
would have to figure out how to install it without bricking it, though!
On Thu, May 10, 2018 at 11:56 PM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
elcaseti wrote:
Here in North America, I'm not sure there are
many options for running
Sailfish OS. The Jolla phones don't support the cellular frequencies we
use here. I'm not very fond of tablets, but at least they're more likely
to just use wifi, which will work well on any continent. Did you install
Sailfish OS on your own devices, or buy some with Sailfish installed from
the factory?
Hi,
the first one I ordered from India (Intex AquaFish) - did a research if it
would work in EU, and had to pay the custom tax - all together it was like
150-160€. My wife got it after she broke her N9, because the color is very
nice ;-). The OS was preinstalled there.
End of last year I bought Sony Xperia X and installed an image by myself -
total cost around 300 for phone and 50 for image. The Jolla image was
important, so that I may get the android support.
There are few things I dislike, or want to have fixed before I use it as
primary device, but I don't have the time to work on them. One major point
is BT (bluetooth) and PA (pulseaudio) and the gui support for both.
regards
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10:19 a.m.
elcaseti wrote:
Thanks, good to know. There are some Android phones
made for North
American frequencies that are probably compatible with Sailfish OS. I
would have to figure out how to install it without bricking it, though!
I don't know of any Sailfish for US phones. There was a discussion regarding
Sailfish X (Sony Xperia X) - you better check on together.jolla.com.
Better look for people reporting from US. AFAIR they recommended buying and
shipping it from EU and reported that it works.
https://together.jolla.com/question/138263/sfos-in-the-usa/ (a bit old post)
A friend is using Xperia X as primary phone and is happy - in fact I use it
in free time as well, but because of the bluetooth with the car audio issue
and syncing contacts etc. I prefer the still working N9.
As for flashing there are also instructions how to backup DRM keys in case
you want to go back.
IMO it is worth trying it as an alternative to Google and Apple. IMO it is
the only one alternative at a comfortable price.
This is why I argue to try it on any mobile device if hardware is supported
by the kernel.
11:17 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Off topic: Mer
for those interested in sailfish, here's more on the new version:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6myjlawj8PA
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=6myjlawj8PA
currently, jolla makes nonw of its sruff available in the u.s.; no idea if this will
change.
7:14 p.m.
dep wrote:
currently, jolla makes nonw of its sruff available in
the u.s.; no idea if
this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the
open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices.
Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement:
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_C…
regards
7:55 p.m.
New subject: Off topic: other phone OS ?
On Friday 11 May 2018 12:14:17 deloptes wrote:
dep wrote:
So, new thread!
Just curious whether anybody out there has tried Replicant (a free replacement
for Android): https://replicant.us/
There are also replacements for Android apps: https://www.f-droid.org/
I am still in the research stages myself. I did have to use an Android
smartphone for a while for work, but I have since abandoned both job and
phone, and gone back to my dumbphone. (All that I really really need are
unlimited calls and text; but I have a feeling that not having a smartphone
will eventually become not only a social liability, but indeed a stigma.)
Anyway, so I am shopping round for the right phone that I can get cheap, and
hack to install a free (as in freedom) OS. And it goes without saying that I
would prefer to install TDE-Trinity for my desktop, but I don't know how well
it runs with touch screens.
I've been following the threads on phones and other devices, but thus far
nobody seems to have touched on my specific interests. I'm open to all
suggestions.
Bill
currently, jolla makes nonw of its sruff
available in the u.s.; no idea
if this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the
open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices.
Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement:
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_C
omputers.pdf
regards
8:26 p.m.
New subject: Off topic: other phone OS ?
William Morder wrote:
So, new thread!
Just curious whether anybody out there has tried Replicant (a free
replacement for Android): https://replicant.us/
There are also replacements for Android apps: https://www.f-droid.org/
"F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source Software)
applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy to browse,
install, and keep track of updates on your device."
I would not understand it as "replacements for Android apps"
I am still in the research stages myself. I did have
to use an Android
smartphone for a while for work, but I have since abandoned both job and
phone, and gone back to my dumbphone. (All that I really really need are
unlimited calls and text; but I have a feeling that not having a
smartphone will eventually become not only a social liability, but indeed
a stigma.)
Same problem here, also if you work for a modern company and come to work
with your "grandmas mobile", you probably will be labled.
Anyway, so I am shopping round for the right phone
that I can get cheap,
and hack to install a free (as in freedom) OS. And it goes without saying
that I would prefer to install TDE-Trinity for my desktop, but I don't
know how well it runs with touch screens.
I have never tried TDE with touch screen, but knowing this and that about it
I doubt it works well.
Regarding cheap, I found out that under 200,- for a new device you can
forget it, unless you want to use only phone and text (no touch screen) -
even text is a bit too broad - lets say sms.
But perhaps Sailfish OS or the open source part will have to offer something
to you. I've seen it running on the feature phone or 3310 in the demos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cyLhoUpc0
I've been following the threads on phones and
other devices, but thus far
nobody seems to have touched on my specific interests. I'm open to all
suggestions.
Well lets start with free - I am not aware there was free os for mobile
devices. Few tried more died.
Especially since Nokia left the mobile market, it is only the US/NSA slaves
out there. Nokia was ate least located in Europe and obeyed to some extent
the EU laws, which were not as that bad as they are now.
From my research on phones, if you want freedom, you have to pay for this,
so there are devices like FreePhone etc, but everything costs > 500,-
I know few people using such phones.
To me the cheapest solution was Sailfish - code is to some extent open and
it also works very good for the price.
You could try to buy some second hand sailfish device and see if it is good
for you. The Intex Aquafish for example is pretty good for that, if you can
find it under 150,- US
regards
8:41 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Off topic: other phone OS ?
On Friday 11 May 2018 13:26:07 deloptes wrote:
William Morder wrote:
This is what replicant was supposed to be. You could install it as the OS, on
compatible phones (whatever) in place of an Android OS.
So, new thread!
Just curious whether anybody out there has tried Replicant (a free
replacement for Android): https://replicant.us/
There are also replacements for Android apps: https://www.f-droid.org/
"F-Droid is an installable catalogue of FOSS (Free and Open Source
Software) applications for the Android platform. The client makes it easy
to browse, install, and keep track of updates on your device."
I would not understand it as "replacements for Android apps"
I am still in the research stages myself. I did
have to use an Android
smartphone for a while for work, but I have since abandoned both job and
phone, and gone back to my dumbphone. (All that I really really need are
unlimited calls and text; but I have a feeling that not having a
smartphone will eventually become not only a social liability, but indeed
a stigma.)
Same problem here, also if you work for a modern company and come to work
with your "grandmas mobile", you probably will be labled.
Anyway, so I am shopping round for the right
phone that I can get cheap,
and hack to install a free (as in freedom) OS. And it goes without saying
that I would prefer to install TDE-Trinity for my desktop, but I don't
know how well it runs with touch screens.
I have never tried TDE with touch screen, but knowing this and that about
it I doubt it works well.
Regarding cheap, I found out that under 200,- for a new device you can
forget it, unless you want to use only phone and text (no touch screen) -
even text is a bit too broad - lets say sms.
But perhaps Sailfish OS or the open source part will have to offer
something to you. I've seen it running on the feature phone or 3310 in the
demos https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X3cyLhoUpc0
I've been following the threads on phones and
other devices, but thus far
nobody seems to have touched on my specific interests. I'm open to all
suggestions.
Well lets start with free - I am not aware there was free os for mobile
devices. Few tried more died.
Especially since Nokia left the mobile market, it is only the US/NSA slaves
out there. Nokia was ate least located in Europe and obeyed to some extent
the EU laws, which were not as that bad as they are now. From my research on phones, if you want freedom, you
have to pay for this,
so there are devices like FreePhone etc, but everything costs > 500,-
I know few people using such phones.
To me the cheapest solution was Sailfish - code is to some extent open and
it also works very good for the price.
You could try to buy some second hand sailfish device and see if it is good
for you. The Intex Aquafish for example is pretty good for that, if you can
find it under 150,- US
regards
Thanks for the info. I'll keep searching.
Bill
8:04 p.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Off topic: Mer
On May 11, 2018 3:14 PM, deloptes <deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
dep wrote:
Yup, we all saw that when it came out in January. And conceivably it will be available in
some countries by year's end.
dep
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currently, jolla makes none of its stuff
available in the u.s.; no idea if
this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the
open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices.
Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement:
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_release_Planet_C…
12 May
12 May
7:11 a.m.
New subject: [trinity-users] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Off topic: Mer
Well, good that there are at least a few options for using it in North
America.
On Fri, May 11, 2018 at 1:04 PM, dep <dep(a)drippingwithirony.com> wrote:
On May 11, 2018 3:14 PM, deloptes
<deloptes(a)gmail.com> wrote:
release_Planet_Computers.pdf
Yup, we all saw that when it came out in January. And conceivably it will
be available in some countries by year's end.
dep
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dep wrote:
> currently, jolla makes none of its stuff available in the u.s.; no
idea if
this will change.
Yes, but you wanted to have something on a mobile device and there is the
open source part which is available everywhere and on many more devices.
Specifically regarding Gemini PDA you have this statement:
https://jolla.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/Partner_press_
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