Gmail is changing, yet again, so that we cannot use third-party apps. In the past, I have had problems using Kmail with Google stuff, but I changed my account settings to accept "less secure" apps, third-party apps, whatever, and then it was okay again.
I finally got round to my Gmail account. I don't really use it much, as I hate Google, but it has been useful to have a Gmail account for some things. I wanted to go into my account and make whatever changes were necessary to make it work, but now I find that I cannot even load Gmail's login pages, account management pages, etc. I can only load help pages and the like. This is true (so far) for every browser I have tried. I have tried enabling all cookies, turning off private browsing, etc.; but my attempts to connect are treated as though I am behind a proxy even when I'm not, or that I am a bot, or something like that.
I only use Gmail for "business", by which I mean stuff like shopping, for places like Best Buy and Tiger Direct; since I know that I will get tracked to death there anyway. I have been trying to track down all my important business that uses Gmail, to change them to my Zoho email account, until I can figure out some better, more permanent solution; but I can't even remember all that stuff for which I once put down Gmail as my email address, and haven't thought about it again in a few years.
Is there any way to configure Kmail to work with Gmail (i.e., using 2FA or OAuth2, etc.) without having to get into Gmail itself? because, you see, I can't even login on a Gmail page, much less get into my account. And yet, until at least the end of this month, I can still receive Gmail.
I imagine some others out there in the TDE universe must also have to confront this issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Bill
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 16.57:20 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
find that I cannot even load Gmail's login pages, account management pages, etc. I can only load help pages and the like. This is true (so far) for every browser I have tried. I
I can log in gmail from Vivaldi, which uses some Chrome engine
I imagine some others out there in the TDE universe must also have to confront this issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I forward my gmail mails to my regular account (which is on my web hosting).
Thierry
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 08:12:31 Thierry de Coulon wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 16.57:20 William Morder via tde-users wrote:
find that I cannot even load Gmail's login pages, account management pages, etc. I can only load help pages and the like. This is true (so far) for every browser I have tried. I
I can log in gmail from Vivaldi, which uses some Chrome engine
I imagine some others out there in the TDE universe must also have to confront this issue. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
I forward my gmail mails to my regular account (which is on my web hosting).
Thierry
I tried both Vivaldi and Chromium, but no go. If I could get into my Gmail account, I would just forward my emails. If I recall aright, email forwarding must be initiated from the original recipient address, i.e., Gmail.
Bill
Thierry de Coulon wrote on 5/25/22 09:12:
I forward my gmail mails to my regular account (which is on my web hosting).
I believe that, if you do that, any e-mails that gmail believes to be spam do not get forwarded, but are merely placed in the gmail spam folder on the gmail server. I welcome correction if I am wrong.
(And the corollary is that this is important because, at least in my gmail account, some 10% of the e-mail that gmail sends to the spam folder is in fact legitimate e-mail that I want to see.)
Doc
On Wed, 25 May 2022, D. R. Evans wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote on 5/25/22 09:12:
I forward my gmail mails to my regular account (which is on my web hosting).
I believe that, if you do that, any e-mails that gmail believes to be spam do not get forwarded, but are merely placed in the gmail spam folder on the gmail server. I welcome correction if I am wrong.
(And the corollary is that this is important because, at least in my gmail account, some 10% of the e-mail that gmail sends to the spam folder is in fact legitimate e-mail that I want to see.)
Free, Convenient, Under your control.
Choose one.
Jonesy
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 09:50:07 Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
On Wed, 25 May 2022, D. R. Evans wrote:
Thierry de Coulon wrote on 5/25/22 09:12:
I forward my gmail mails to my regular account (which is on my web hosting).
I believe that, if you do that, any e-mails that gmail believes to be spam do not get forwarded, but are merely placed in the gmail spam folder on the gmail server. I welcome correction if I am wrong.
(And the corollary is that this is important because, at least in my gmail account, some 10% of the e-mail that gmail sends to the spam folder is in fact legitimate e-mail that I want to see.)
Free, Convenient, Under your control.
Choose one.
Jonesy
That's why I have already looked into buying my own server, and was considering creating my own private email service for myself and maybe a few friends or co-conspirators.
I decided that it was too much to take on for one person alone, although I still entertain these fantasies about some kind of email cooperative organization; owner-members, sort of like food coops or other cooperatives.
That way the work could be divided among the members. It seems to me that a fairly small group could do it. But then somewhere along the way, there would arise issues of trust, and we would have to draw up some sort of formal legal agreements, and then ... gradually, eventually ... we would become prisoners of a smaller version of the very thing that we set out to escape.
Bill
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On Wednesday 25 May 2022, William Morder via tde-users was heard to say:
Is there any way to configure Kmail to work with Gmail (i.e., using 2FA or OAuth2, etc.) without having to get into Gmail itself? because, you see, I can't even login on a Gmail page, much less get into my account. And yet, until at least the end of this month, I can still receive Gmail.
It's deep and hard to find, but Gmail does have a "unique application password", generated by Gmail, which when pasted into Kmail works as a POP3 password for authentication.
I have Kmail pulling POP3 from port 995 using that function and it's working fine. Sending from Kmail is by SMTP through my ISP.
Curt-
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 08:34:58 Curt Howland wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2022, William Morder via tde-users was heard to
say:
Is there any way to configure Kmail to work with Gmail (i.e., using 2FA or OAuth2, etc.) without having to get into Gmail itself? because, you see, I can't even login on a Gmail page, much less get into my account. And yet, until at least the end of this month, I can still receive Gmail.
It's deep and hard to find, but Gmail does have a "unique application password", generated by Gmail, which when pasted into Kmail works as a POP3 password for authentication.
I have Kmail pulling POP3 from port 995 using that function and it's working fine. Sending from Kmail is by SMTP through my ISP.
Yup same as my own settings, except that I almost never send from my Gmail account.
Curt-
By chance, do you mean doing *this*? https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/1672544-using-gmail-after-ma...
Out of all my searches, this seemed most likely to address the current issue. If this is what you mean, and I see that others confirm that it works, then I just need to find my way into that dark place where Google keeps it hidden from us, the ordinary exploited users and the true source of their income.
Bill
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On Wednesday 25 May 2022, William Morder via tde-users was heard to say:
By chance, do you mean doing *this*? https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/1672544-using-gmail -after-may-30-2022
Yep, that's it. I was hit with the requirement months ago, I don't remember exactly when.
Curt-
- -- You may my glories and my state dispose, But not my griefs; still am I king of those. --- William Shakespeare, "Richard II"
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 08:54:50 Curt Howland wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2022, William Morder via tde-users was heard to
say:
By chance, do you mean doing *this*? https://www.mathworks.com/matlabcentral/answers/1672544-using-gmail -after-may-30-2022
Yep, that's it. I was hit with the requirement months ago, I don't remember exactly when.
Curt-
I think maybe I just figured out why I can't login to my Gmail through webpages, nor get into my account settings.
It was something else that came up months ago, a completely different issue. My ISP also just happens to run some Tor servers; I believe that they actually do it for purposes of surveillance, not merely to enable their users to access onion sites, nor to assist them in downloading torrents or to watch porn. When other sites see my IP address, it probably looks like it is coming from Tor, even though that's just their addresses. (I already did some research about this other issue, way back when.)
Now, unless I can use Tor to cloak my IP address and make it look like I'm not using Tor, I probably can't get into my Google account. Apparently I will be forced to go elsewhere, the library or whatever, to use their Internet and change my settings.
Is there anybody else out there who is beginning to imagine that the whole world has gone mad? or, at least, the people who actually run things, and make policy decisions?
Bill
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 11:45:19 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Now, unless I can use Tor to cloak my IP address and make it look like I'm not using Tor, I probably can't get into my Google account. Apparently I will be forced to go elsewhere, the library or whatever, to use their Internet and change my settings.
If you don't already have it, install the Tor browser bundle and use it to access Google. If (When really) you get the 'access denied' change the circuit in TBB. You do that by clicking the 'lock' icon next to the URL and selecting 'New circuit for this site.'
You will probably need to do this a few dozen times to eventually get an exit node that big G isn't pissed off at the moment.
Is there anybody else out there who is beginning to imagine that the whole world has gone mad? or, at least, the people who actually run things, and make policy decisions?
Oh yes! I just found out recently that Startpage censors its search results.* DuckDuckGo doesn’t (yet).
* Do a search on anyone deemed to be spreading ‘misinformation’ in both search engines and notice that only state propaganda is returned by Startpage.
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 12:07:23 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
That's why I have already looked into buying my own server, and was considering creating my own private email service for myself and maybe a few friends or co-conspirators.
I decided that it was too much to take on for one person alone, although I still entertain these fantasies about some kind of email cooperative organization; owner-members, sort of like food coops or other cooperatives.
If I did this, in a co-op situation, an easy solution, would cost US ~$200-250 / year. It’d be viable for at least 100 normal mail users (probably 1,000ish, but I tend to go low with projections).
A more robust solution probably not quite double? That’d include a disposable/changeable mail entry/exit IP, which solves the whole ISP running TOR node(s) on a neighborhood IP(s), locating servers in countries with better legal protection, ...
If you want to talk further, contact me direct, although it’s pretty much just easier to buy an email address from a privacy oriented service. For those interested, here’s a somewhat okay read for background material (some of the comments are good too). https://restoreprivacy.com/email/secure/ (Well do discard StartMail, which is run by the same people as Startpage.)
HTH, Michael
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 11:13:04 Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 11:45:19 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Now, unless I can use Tor to cloak my IP address and make it look like I'm not using Tor, I probably can't get into my Google account. Apparently I will be forced to go elsewhere, the library or whatever, to use their Internet and change my settings.
If you don't already have it, install the Tor browser bundle and use it to access Google. If (When really) you get the 'access denied' change the circuit in TBB. You do that by clicking the 'lock' icon next to the URL and selecting 'New circuit for this site.'
You will probably need to do this a few dozen times to eventually get an exit node that big G isn't pissed off at the moment.
How is this different from using tork-trinity? I can create my own circuits, make sure that I am using only US exit servers. (Is MIT considered a *bad* exit, for example?) Also use bridges, etc.
It may be simpler just to go to the library.
Bill
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 01:56:53 pm William Morder via tde-users wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 11:13:04 Michael wrote:
On Wednesday 25 May 2022 11:45:19 am William Morder via tde-users wrote:
Now, unless I can use Tor to cloak my IP address and make it look like I'm not using Tor, I probably can't get into my Google account. Apparently I will be forced to go elsewhere, the library or whatever, to use their Internet and change my settings.
If you don't already have it, install the Tor browser bundle and use it to access Google. If (When really) you get the 'access denied' change the circuit in TBB. You do that by clicking the 'lock' icon next to the URL and selecting 'New circuit for this site.'
You will probably need to do this a few dozen times to eventually get an exit node that big G isn't pissed off at the moment.
How is this different from using tork-trinity? I can create my own circuits, make sure that I am using only US exit servers. (Is MIT considered a *bad* exit, for example?) Also use bridges, etc.
It may be simpler just to go to the library.
Hi Bill,
G just (temporarily) bans any IP that ‘does bad things’ (even libraries). As long as you can easily change the exit node and re-load the page you should be good. I suggested TBB only because it does that with one click of a button.
Tor exit nodes usually ‘do bad things,’ but with enough changes you should be able to get in.
Best, Michael
On Wed, 25 May 2022 09:45:19 -0700 William Morder via tde-users users@trinitydesktop.org wrote:
Now, unless I can use Tor to cloak my IP address and make it look like I'm not using Tor, I probably can't get into my Google account. Apparently I will be forced to go elsewhere, the library or whatever, to use their Internet and change my settings.
I can think of two potentially achievable methods of hiding your IP address:
1. Use a VPN (find one with a free one-month trial that isn't Linux-hostile).
2. Use a Web proxy (proxysite.com, for example). This is less likely to work, but also much easier to do. Be sure your adblocker's up to date, though.
E. Liddell
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