10 Feb
2025
10 Feb
'25
6:06 p.m.
For a long time I've wondered if there was a way in
TDE to start a console window in a _specific_ desktop.
My Black Belt In Procrastination has kept my from really
pursuing the issue. :-)
So, today I thought to try a Google AI search for the issue.
I had low expectations, because Trinity is (sadly) not so
well known or employed in the wild.
So, with the 'prompt' "trinity TDE start console on specific desktop"
I was gifted with this"
"To start the Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) console on a specific
desktop, you can use the command "kstart --desktop [desktop number]
[application]" in a terminal window, where "[desktop number]" is the
desired desktop number and "[application]" is the application you want
to launch on that desktop; for example, "kstart --desktop 2 xterm"
would open a terminal window on the second desktop.
....."
There was additional text given besides the above.
Whoopie! I had never learned of/about `kstart` before.
But, also Whoopie! Because AI can probably help with lots of
'ordinary' Trinity issues that someone (newcomers) come up with.
Jonesy
10 Feb
10 Feb
6:20 p.m.
To my knowledge Gemini's AI-assist search gets it's information reading pages back
to you almost verbatim, there's little links it provides to each source too. Of course
sometimes it gets multiple topics mixed together. Since it's parsing search queries
and not full sentences it can also easily get confused on what you're asking. So
it's hit or miss sometimes.
-- bonkmaykr
Software Developer, Canithesis Interactive
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-------- Original Message --------
On 2/10/25 12:06 PM, Marvin Jones via tde-users <users(a)trinitydesktop.org> wrote:
For a long time I've wondered if there was a way
in
TDE to start a console window in a _specific_ desktop.
My Black Belt In Procrastination has kept my from really
pursuing the issue. :-)
So, today I thought to try a Google AI search for the issue.
I had low expectations, because Trinity is (sadly) not so
well known or employed in the wild.
So, with the 'prompt' "trinity TDE start console on specific desktop"
I was gifted with this"
"To start the Trinity Desktop Environment (TDE) console on a specific
desktop, you can use the command "kstart --desktop [desktop number]
[application]" in a terminal window, where "[desktop number]" is the
desired desktop number and "[application]" is the application you want
to launch on that desktop; for example, "kstart --desktop 2 xterm"
would open a terminal window on the second desktop.
....."
There was additional text given besides the above.
Whoopie! I had never learned of/about `kstart` before.
But, also Whoopie! Because AI can probably help with lots of
'ordinary' Trinity issues that someone (newcomers) come up with.
Jonesy
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10:35 p.m.
Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
So, today I thought to try a Google AI search for the
issue.
I had low expectations, because Trinity is (sadly) not so
well known or employed in the wild.
There is no real AI. It is a commercial trick for statistics on steroids.
It also lies a lot (makes up things).
The great benefit is in saving time to generate new stuff (but in terms of
programming it mostly does not get it right yet). There are few application
areas (for example CAD or image and text generation) especially when
trained in closed domain, where it is really useful. For the rest it may be
right but it may be also wrong. A sober approach is more beneficial.
11:09 p.m.
On 2025-02-10 16:35:26 deloptes via tde-users wrote:
Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
Quite right. Train medical AIs on research papers and medical texts; train
legal AIs on lawbooks and court records; etc. Training AIs on the noise from
social media is at best a waste of time, and dangerous in some situations
(e.g. law enforcement).
Leslie
--
Platform: Linux
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.6 - x86_64
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.1.3
tde-config: 1.0
So, today I thought to try a Google AI search for
the issue.
I had low expectations, because Trinity is (sadly) not so
well known or employed in the wild.
There is no real AI. It is a commercial trick for statistics on steroids.
It also lies a lot (makes up things).
The great benefit is in saving time to generate new stuff (but in terms of
programming it mostly does not get it right yet). There are few application
areas (for example CAD or image and text generation) especially when
trained in closed domain, where it is really useful. For the rest it may be
right but it may be also wrong. A sober approach is more beneficial. 
11 Feb
11 Feb
2:36 a.m.
On 2/10/25 12:06 PM, Marvin Jones via tde-users wrote:
Whoopie! I had never learned of/about `kstart`
before.
But, also Whoopie! Because AI can probably help with lots of
'ordinary' Trinity issues that someone (newcomers) come up with.
Combining kstart and dcop you can do amazing things with konsole sessions.
I've got a short shell script that calls kstart to start a konsole session and
then starts 10 more sessions in tabs, renaming each tab and for remote
connection tabs, ssh'ing into the remote host - all from an icon in
Quicklancher in the task bar.
Well worth looking into dcop (yes old, yes it TDE only, ...) but it works
like magic in TDE/KDE3.
To get started, just:
$ dcop konsole*
konsole-2075
It's a chain, so you can see the capabilities below each entry simply by typing
$ dcop konsole-2075 (and next) (and next), etc...
For example:
$ dcop konsole-2075
qt
KBookmarkManager-/home/david/.kde/share/apps/konsole/bookmarks.xml
KBookmarkNotifier
MainApplication-Interface
konsole (default)
konsole-mainwindow#1
ksycoca
session-1
session-10
session-11
session-12
session-2
session-3
session-4
session-5
session-6
session-7
session-8
session-9
What can you do with 'qt'?
$ dcop konsole-2075 qt
QCStringList functions()
QCStringList interfaces()
QCStringList objects()
QCStringList find(QCString)
The "QCStringList" tells you what type value will be returned. The
"function()" (obvious) "interfaces()" and "object()" will
all list what is
available for that type that you can use -- generically with dcop.
What can you do with "dcop konsole-2075 konsole"? or the "dcop
konsole-2075
konsole-mainwindow#1"? have a look. For running open konsole sessions, if you
want to to it to a session, you can, e.g.
$ dcop konsole-2075 session-1
QCStringList interfaces()
QCStringList functions()
void feedSession(QString text)
void sendSession(QString text)
bool closeSession()
bool sendSignal(int signal)
void clearHistory()
void renameSession(QString name)
QString sessionName()
int sessionPID()
QString schema()
void setSchema(QString schema)
QString encoding()
void setEncoding(QString encoding)
QString keytab()
void setKeytab(QString keyboard)
QSize size()
void setSize(QSize size)
QString font()
void setFont(QString font)
You can literally control every aspect of konsole (or any TDE app) with
dcop. Very handy. Really easy too. If I want to know the size?
$ dcop konsole-2075 session-1 size
115x58
Or rename a session, use renameSession(QString name), so set the size of
the window, use setSize(QSize size), etc...
The only thing I haven't figured out a way to set is the tab-color, but
that's for another day.
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
4:25 a.m.
New subject: Konsole (was Trinity and AI)
On 2025-02-10 20:36:00 David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
On 2/10/25 12:06 PM, Marvin Jones via tde-users
wrote:
I find this discussion about Konsole interesting. When I log out of my
desktop session and back in, each of my Konsole windows, and all of their
tabs, are restored just as they were when I logged out. Perhaps my use of
the Terminal Sessions applet provides this feature? I also use Konsole's
bookmark feature to provide convenient access to selected locations in the
filesystem tree.
Leslie
--
Platform: Linux
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.6 - x86_64
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.1.3
tde-config: 1.0
Whoopie! I had never learned of/about `kstart`
before.
But, also Whoopie! Because AI can probably help with lots of
'ordinary' Trinity issues that someone (newcomers) come up with.
Combining kstart and dcop you can do amazing things with konsole
sessions. I've got a short shell script that calls kstart to start a
konsole session and then starts 10 more sessions in tabs, renaming each tab
and for remote connection tabs, ssh'ing into the remote host - all from an
icon in Quicklancher in the task bar.
Well worth looking into dcop (yes old, yes it TDE only, ...) but it
works like magic in TDE/KDE3.
To get started, just:
$ dcop konsole*
konsole-2075
It's a chain, so you can see the capabilities below each entry simply by
typing
$ dcop konsole-2075 (and next) (and next), etc...
For example:
$ dcop konsole-2075
qt
KBookmarkManager-/home/david/.kde/share/apps/konsole/bookmarks.xml
KBookmarkNotifier
MainApplication-Interface
konsole (default)
konsole-mainwindow#1
ksycoca
session-1
session-10
session-11
session-12
session-2
session-3
session-4
session-5
session-6
session-7
session-8
session-9
What can you do with 'qt'?
$ dcop konsole-2075 qt
QCStringList functions()
QCStringList interfaces()
QCStringList objects()
QCStringList find(QCString)
The "QCStringList" tells you what type value will be returned. The
"function()" (obvious) "interfaces()" and "object()" will
all list what is
available for that type that you can use -- generically with dcop.
What can you do with "dcop konsole-2075 konsole"? or the "dcop
konsole-2075 konsole-mainwindow#1"? have a look. For running open konsole
sessions, if you want to to it to a session, you can, e.g.
$ dcop konsole-2075 session-1
QCStringList interfaces()
QCStringList functions()
void feedSession(QString text)
void sendSession(QString text)
bool closeSession()
bool sendSignal(int signal)
void clearHistory()
void renameSession(QString name)
QString sessionName()
int sessionPID()
QString schema()
void setSchema(QString schema)
QString encoding()
void setEncoding(QString encoding)
QString keytab()
void setKeytab(QString keyboard)
QSize size()
void setSize(QSize size)
QString font()
void setFont(QString font)
You can literally control every aspect of konsole (or any TDE app) with
dcop. Very handy. Really easy too. If I want to know the size?
$ dcop konsole-2075 session-1 size
115x58
Or rename a session, use renameSession(QString name), so set the size of
the window, use setSize(QSize size), etc...
The only thing I haven't figured out a way to set is the tab-color, but
that's for another day.
5 a.m.
New subject: Konsole (was Trinity and AI)
On 2/10/25 10:25 PM, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
I find this discussion about Konsole interesting.
When I log out of my
desktop session and back in, each of my Konsole windows, and all of their
tabs, are restored just as they were when I logged out. Perhaps my use of
the Terminal Sessions applet provides this feature? I also use Konsole's
bookmark feature to provide convenient access to selected locations in the
filesystem tree.
I'd never heard of the terminal session applet, but that sure sounds nice. I
guess for completeness of the example, I'll go ahead and attach the script I
use to start the konsole session. I just use kmenu to add an entry for the
script and then just rt-click and add the icon to the Quicklaunch applet in
the toolbar.
There are even a few comments in the script. Must have known I'd forget and
not want to go through the learning process all over again years later...
I'm going to follow up on the Terminal Session applet. 20+ years and I'm still
finding things I haven't used :)
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
8:38 a.m.
New subject: Konsole (was Trinity and AI)
On 2025-02-10 23:00:06 David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
On 2/10/25 10:25 PM, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users
wrote:
Right-click on the panel, select Add Applet to Panel..., scroll down to
Terminal Sessions, ...
Leslie
--
Platform: Linux
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.6 - x86_64
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.1.3
tde-config: 1.0
I find this discussion about Konsole interesting.
When I log out of my
desktop session and back in, each of my Konsole windows, and all of their
tabs, are restored just as they were when I logged out. Perhaps my use
of the Terminal Sessions applet provides this feature? I also use
Konsole's bookmark feature to provide convenient access to selected
locations in the filesystem tree.
I'd never heard of the terminal session applet, but that sure sounds nice.
I guess for completeness of the example, I'll go ahead and attach the
script I use to start the konsole session. I just use kmenu to add an entry
for the script and then just rt-click and add the icon to the Quicklaunch
applet in the toolbar.
There are even a few comments in the script. Must have known I'd forget and
not want to go through the learning process all over again years later...
I'm going to follow up on the Terminal Session applet. 20+ years and I'm
still finding things I haven't used :)
12 Feb
12 Feb
12:14 a.m.
New subject: Konsole (was Trinity and AI)
On 2/11/25 2:38 AM, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users wrote:
Right-click on the panel, select Add Applet to
Panel..., scroll down to
Terminal Sessions, ...
That would have been much easier than learning dcop ;-/
--
David C. Rankin, J.D.,P.E.
6:23 a.m.
New subject: Konsole (was Trinity and AI)
On 2025-02-11 18:14:59 David C. Rankin via tde-users wrote:
On 2/11/25 2:38 AM, J Leslie Turriff via tde-users
wrote:
DCOP would be a wonderful service if only it had some documentation.
Leslie
--
Platform: Linux
Distribution: openSUSE Leap 15.6 - x86_64
Desktop Environment: Trinity
Qt: 3.5.0
TDE: R14.1.3
tde-config: 1.0
Right-click on the panel, select Add Applet to
Panel..., scroll down to
Terminal Sessions, ...
That would have been much easier than learning dcop ;-/
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